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[IBC] Bonsai partnership
Lisa,
I apprexciate your feelings, but would offer some consolation. To me, bonsai is a process: not an end in itself. The pleasure of working with trees, increasing their beauty as you work, is the real reward in bonsai. It's the process, not the result that counts. If you think of it in these terms, you will never look back with regret upon the hours, months and years spent with bonsai. Marty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Kanis" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: [IBC] Bonsai partnership A friend of mine took up bonsai as a pastime after she had to leave work, when her first baby was born. That was a long time ago. She is now a grandmother, five times over. In the intervening years she created a magnificent bonsai collection. Two years ago, however, she told me that she could no longer keep up with the intensive maintenance her trees demanded, and had decided to sell all the big ones she could not carry by herself. A dealer was found who declared that he was prepared to take the trees as a job lot, and offered her a pittance for them. When she protested, saying that just the pots were worth three times the amount, he told her that he wasn't interested in the pots, she could keep them if she wanted. So almost half of her collection left in a big truck -- all trees that she had worked on for 10 and 35 years, outstanding specimens, with their roots wrapped in plastic. I asked her if it hadn't made her feel awful, but she shrugged. "I am relieved I no longer have the responsibility for them", she said. "I felt awful when I saw them becoming neglected, they didn't deserve that. I know that they'll be looked after well, because they are too valuable to be wasted." Then she smiled and said that now she'd finally be able again to get some new trees, which she could style over the coming years, something she couldn't afford to do when her full collection took up so much time, and so much space. I wonder if she ever got used to the bare retaining wall along her extended rockery, where the biggest bonsai stood for many years. For my part, I haven't.... quite. The reason I am posting this story is prompted by a question that Andy Rutledge asked in his Editorial of April, in Bonsai Today Online. In a nutshell, for those who are not subscribers, he wished to know how people felt about getting rid of bonsai in which they had invested so much time and so much of themselves. He sees working on bonsai as the creation of a partnership between the tree and the artist, and considers it quite different from other artistic endeavours, like e.g. painting or sculpting. Therefore, selling a bonsai cannot be compared to selling a painting or sculpture; it is emotionally traumatic. (I hope that's ok as the briefest possible summary, Andy?) I have to dispose of a number of trees myself, because I have too many. Of course I should have limited long ago the amount I acquired, but how many of us can do that, before it's too late? Now, apart from one or two, I can't decide which I should let go. Like Andy has for his bonsai, I have plans for each of mine, and with the disposal of the trees comes the disposal of the plans... of the future. That is a combination which is anchored very deeply, and hard to uproot. However, the more a good potensai advances in the direction of a good bonsai, the more work it demands, and I am getting desperate. So, when I have finally reduced the numbers, I expect I'll feel the same as my friend.... Relief. Ultimately, we shall have to let go of all our trees, which implies that in the background of our partnership with them there is another, still shadowy partnership, just waiting. Lisa ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Good thought, Marty. I agree. I have also noticed that my colleagues who trade and
sell bonsai tend to have the best bonsai. They invest a lot of energy and time into the tree but don't feel compelled to hang on to them like I do. Their collections usually look better than mine, and they learn more. There's a lesson in there, if I'd only use it. ;-) Alan Walker, Lake Charles, LA, USA http://LCBSBonsai.org http://bonsai-bci.com ================================= Marty Haber wrote: Lisa, I appreciate your feelings, but would offer some consolation. To me, bonsai is a process: not an end in itself. The pleasure of working with trees, increasing their beauty as you work, is the real reward in bonsai. It's the process, not the result that counts. If you think of it in these terms, you will never look back with regret upon the hours, months and years spent with bonsai. Marty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Kanis" A friend of mine took up bonsai as a pastime after she had to leave work, when her first baby was born. That was a long time ago. She is now a grandmother, five times over. In the intervening years she created a magnificent bonsai collection. Two years ago, however, she told me that she could no longer keep up with the intensive maintenance her trees demanded, and had decided to sell all the big ones she could not carry by herself. A dealer was found who declared that he was prepared to take the trees as a job lot, and offered her a pittance for them. When she protested, saying that just the pots were worth three times the amount, he told her that he wasn't interested in the pots, she could keep them if she wanted. So almost half of her collection left in a big truck -- all trees that she had worked on for 10 and 35 years, outstanding specimens, with their roots wrapped in plastic. I asked her if it hadn't made her feel awful, but she shrugged. "I am relieved I no longer have the responsibility for them", she said. "I felt awful when I saw them becoming neglected, they didn't deserve that. I know that they'll be looked after well, because they are too valuable to be wasted." Then she smiled and said that now she'd finally be able again to get some new trees, which she could style over the coming years, something she couldn't afford to do when her full collection took up so much time, and so much space. I wonder if she ever got used to the bare retaining wall along her extended rockery, where the biggest bonsai stood for many years. For my part, I haven't.... quite. The reason I am posting this story is prompted by a question that Andy Rutledge asked in his Editorial of April, in Bonsai Today Online. In a nutshell, for those who are not subscribers, he wished to know how people felt about getting rid of bonsai in which they had invested so much time and so much of themselves. He sees working on bonsai as the creation of a partnership between the tree and the artist, and considers it quite different from other artistic endeavours, like e.g. painting or sculpting. Therefore, selling a bonsai cannot be compared to selling a painting or sculpture; it is emotionally traumatic. (I hope that's ok as the briefest possible summary, Andy?) I have to dispose of a number of trees myself, because I have too many Of course I should have limited long ago the amount I acquired, but how many of us can do that, before it's too late? Now, apart from one or two, I can't decide which I should let go. Like Andy has for his bonsai, I have plans for each of mine, and with the disposal of the trees comes the disposal of the plans... of the future. That is a combination which is anchored very deeply, and hard to uproot. However, the more a good potensai advances in the direction of a good bonsai, the more work it demands, and I am getting desperate. So, when I have finally reduced the numbers, I expect I'll feel the same as my friend.... Relief. Ultimately, we shall have to let go of all our trees, which implies that in the background of our partnership with them there is another, still shadowy partnership, just waiting. Lisa ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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I would suggest that if you have to get rid of some trees you might
consider giving them to friends, or beginners or people at your local bonsai club. Maybe it would help reduce the sting of letting a tree go. You could "keep in touch" so to speak. Some might cringe at the thought of giving a nice tree to a beginner. People seem to be outraged by mallsai, but for a lot of us, including me, our first trees were mallsai. Giving a decent tree, and help with care, to a beginner would help someone get off to a good start, and might be a good way to burn off some bad karma. Just a thought. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Hi Jim,
This (bonsai as "pets" or "family") was not the thrust of either the comments here or of my comments in the essay. The fact is that the artist and the tree have a partnership that necessitates cooperation in ways not found in most (any?) other art(s). Selling or giving away something that is unfinished, with the balance of "our" plans being unrealized is a bit different than selling/giving away a work of art/possession that does not carry this kind of baggage. This is not to say that doing so involves an overabundance of drama, but it is often a bit more difficult. Anyway, let's not mischaracterize the gist here. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge zone 8, Texas http://www.bunjindesign.com/bonsai/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lewis" Bonsai aren't pets. Plants reciprocate no warm and fuzzy feelings like a dog will (or a cat -- sometimes -- while you are petting it. There's absolutely no point in getting emotionally involved with a tree in a pot. There are always more where that one came from. Enjoy them, by all means, but as "things" not as "family." Jim Lewis ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Well, Andy . . . I don't subscribe to BT Online and haven't read
the article/essay. I wasn't, in fact, commenting on anything you wrote, but only on the warm and fuzzy tinge some of the message in this thread seemed to be taking on. Bonsai don't "care" who owns them, or even if they're owned. And, while I'll give people trees every so often, cheapskate that I am, I hate like heck to give away the pots! ;-) In any event, I prefer not to imbue bonsai with too much "deepness" or "significance." It is enough, I think, to enjoy working with the trees and letting them be a means of relaxation and perhaps, occasionally, creation (but that may be getting too significant). Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden Hi Jim, This (bonsai as "pets" or "family") was not the thrust of either the comments here or of my comments in the essay. The fact is that the artist and the tree have a partnership that necessitates cooperation in ways not found in most (any?) other art(s). Selling or giving away something that is unfinished, with the balance of "our" plans being unrealized is a bit different than selling/giving away a work of art/possession that does not carry this kind of baggage. This is not to say that doing so involves an overabundance of drama, but it is often a bit more difficult. Anyway, let's not mischaracterize the gist here. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge zone 8, Texas http://www.bunjindesign.com/bonsai/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lewis" Bonsai aren't pets. Plants reciprocate no warm and fuzzy feelings like a dog will (or a cat -- sometimes -- while you are petting it. There's absolutely no point in getting emotionally involved with a tree in a pot. There are always more where that one came from. Enjoy them, by all means, but as "things" not as "family." Jim Lewis ************************************************** *************** *************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** *************** *************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Jim: I see your point, but it's a tough thing for a lot of people to do. It
doesn't matter so much that our bonsai don't purr or wag their tails or get all excited to see us. For many of us, the sentiment comes from our personal investment into the bonsai. This is not so different from the uncomfortable feelings one has wen selling a home and listening to the prospective buyers talk about how they want to change something that you really worked on and made the house special to you. Some of us are sentimental, and others are not. Vive la difference! Alan Walker, Lake Charles, LA, USA http://LCBSBonsai.org http://bonsai-bci.com ================================ Jim Lewis wrote: Well, Andy . . . I don't subscribe to BT Online and haven't read the article/essay. I wasn't, in fact, commenting on anything you wrote, but only on the warm and fuzzy tinge some of the message in this thread seemed to be taking on. Bonsai don't "care" who owns them, or even if they're owned. And, while I'll give people trees every so often, cheapskate that I am, I hate like heck to give away the pots! ;-) In any event, I prefer not to imbue bonsai with too much "deepness" or "significance." It is enough, I think, to enjoy working with the trees and letting them be a means of relaxation and perhaps, occasionally, creation (but that may be getting too significant). Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL ====== Hi Jim, This (bonsai as "pets" or "family") was not the thrust of either the comments here or of my comments in the essay. The fact is that the artist and the tree have a partnership that necessitates cooperation in ways not found in most (any?) other art(s). Selling or giving away something that is unfinished, with the balance of "our" plans being unrealized is a bit different than selling/giving away a work of art/possession that does not carry this kind of baggage. This is not to say that doing so involves an overabundance of drama, but it is often a bit more difficult. Anyway, let's not mischaracterize the gist here. Kind regards, Andy Rutledge zone 8, Texas http://www.bunjindesign.com/bonsai/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Lewis" Bonsai aren't pets. Plants reciprocate no warm and fuzzy feelings like a dog will (or a cat -- sometimes -- while you are petting it. There's absolutely no point in getting emotionally involved with a tree in a pot. There are always more where that one came from. Enjoy them, by all means, but as "things" not as "family." Jim Lewis ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Hello to All,
Jim, HUH ? You can really floor me with these opinions. You know I have a brass ring made around 1945 in the shape of the Bomber wings.The work on the ring is much more involved that what is passing as Bomber wings in sterling silver on Ebay. It's a thing,but if I lost or damaged it,it would really hurt.Especially since I had to work to get the money to buy it back in the early 80's in Philadelphia.[I only wear one ring.] Yes,Bonsai,are trees and they don't wag or scratch but there are many memories and I do get worried if they go off colour or just don't look healthy[forget the training].If stolen I would be very hurt,as much as if someone burnt a painting I had done or an Old Master. When I send a tree away,I try to find them good homes or I go quietly and put them back where they came from. When they die I ash them and re-use them as glaze. There is stuff,or things,but when one spends so much time on anything, there are bound to be memories. But what the h.e. double toothpicks,this is probably one of your statements designed to get a response. Confused Khaimraj. [West Indies/Caribbean, Sempre Spring Zone.] * I sometimes wonder if those who cannot design or create can understand destruction beyond the loss of companionship.Essentially their own self loss. Empathy. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Lewis To: Date: 21 May 2003 11:15 Subject: [IBC] Bonsai partnership Bonsai aren't pets. Plants reciprocate no warm and fuzzy feelings like a dog will (or a cat -- sometimes -- while you are petting it. There's absolutely no point in getting emotionally involved with a tree in a pot. There are always more where that one came from. Enjoy them, by all means, but as "things" not as "family." Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Jim: I see your point, but it's a tough thing for a lot of
people to do. It doesn't matter so much that our bonsai don't purr or wag their tails or get all excited to see us. For many of us, the sentiment comes from our personal investment into the bonsai. This is not so different from the uncomfortable feelings one has wen selling a home and listening to the prospective buyers talk about how they want to change something that you really worked on and made the house special to you. Some of us are sentimental, and others are not. Vive la difference! Yeah. On occasion, Jackie would put me in the "not" camp, I'm sure. As for homes . . . it's all in what you call them, I guess -- homes or houses. I have lived in 37 towns in 8 countries, went to 14 schools before I graduated from high school -- in Tokyo. I can part with a home/house as easily as I can part from a bonsai (but not the bonsai's "home" -- its pot ;-). Dogs and wives are a totally different thing. I've had scores of dogs and deeply mourned each of them as they left us; I've had one wife for 43 years now, and hope I don't have to mourn her for a good number of years! And Khaimraj, I'm sorry if I surprised or disappointed you, but what are you grieving about when a tree dies? The Tree? Or all the "wasted" effort you put into it for . . . in other words, are you grieving for yourself? Now, I'd be a very unhappy (and even grumpier) person without bonsai in my life, but while I may regret when a tree I thought was pretty dies, I don't go into mourning; I'll look at the roots and break a limb or two in an attempt to discover what might have been the cause, then toss the carcass into the woods. (And yes, I'll cuss at it if it was one I'd spent a lot of time over.) I've just gone through an exercise where I've tossed out a couple of dozen putative bonsai that I finally saw weren't gonna ever make it as bonsai. They had their chance. No regrets -- on either part. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Hello to All,
Jim, confused,not disappointed. When a tree dies [ a couple of years ago I had a 36 year old Sparrow Plum /Sweet Plum die],it's the tree and all the memories that I miss. Hence the ashing,gone but not forgotten. Hmm,never thought about the effort part.For me Bonsai are memories.It is after all ,all we take when we move on ....... Trees with me tend to die very slowly,as I do every thing I can to save it.With the sparrow plum it was about 10 months.Why did it die.Because I didn't realise that the Chinese just chop and not root prune. The tree rotted beyond it's 3 roots and then the rot encircled the last matchstick thick cambiums. Fortunately,I took cuttings in the first year I got the tree. Khaimraj [West Indies/Caribbean, Sempre Spring Zone.] -----Original Message----- From: Jim Lewis To: Date: 21 May 2003 13:08 Subject: [IBC] Bonsai partnership And Khaimraj, I'm sorry if I surprised or disappointed you, but what are you grieving about when a tree dies? The Tree? Or all the "wasted" effort you put into it for . . . in other words, are you grieving for yourself? Now, I'd be a very unhappy (and even grumpier) person without bonsai in my life, but while I may regret when a tree I thought was pretty dies, I don't go into mourning; I'll look at the roots and break a limb or two in an attempt to discover what might have been the cause, then toss the carcass into the woods. (And yes, I'll cuss at it if it was one I'd spent a lot of time over.) I've just gone through an exercise where I've tossed out a couple of dozen putative bonsai that I finally saw weren't gonna ever make it as bonsai. They had their chance. No regrets -- on either part. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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No one is likely to confuse me with a sentimentalist, and indeed,
nothing ruins my day faster than getting a bonsai-Doctor diagnostic form that ends "I gave this bonsai to my wife on our anniversary as a testament of our love, and now it's dying! Please Help!" However, I hate losing a tree. You not only lose all the care and training you put into it, but you lose all the plans you had for it in the future. I just lost an evergreen pear I've been working on for 8 years, that was just starting to look the way I envisioned it should look. I miss the cracked bark. I miss the shiny leaves. One of these years, it would have bloomed pear blossoms. But not now. -- Nina Shishkoff Frederick, MD ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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I just lost an evergreen pear I've been working on
for 8 years, that was just starting to look the way I envisioned it should look. I miss the cracked bark. I miss the shiny leaves. One of these years, it would have bloomed pear blossoms. But not now. Well, there's that. I lost an I. vomitoria this spring that was just getting where it was supposed to be. Sorry about the pear . . . but EVERGREEN pear??????????? Whatzit? Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Our life is frittered away by detail . . . . Simplify! Simplify. -- Henry David Thoreau - Walden ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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To Nina and all:
The reason I take photos is that I can always look at what my tree(s) looked like (good or bad). So it is a sort of permanent record of my feeble attempts. People have asked me how Ican part with my paintings. After all I have produced close to 800 paintings and have less than 100 scattered home and at galleries. My answer is the same. I take pictures or slides and that reminds me of my efforts to produce that particular painting (or tree). So I guess I fall in the Jim Lewis camp in that respect. I'm sure we both have a lot of company!!! ;-) Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7 http://bmee.net/rosner http://www.jamesbaird.com/cgi-bin/Ja...d=00000068 48 Nina Shishkoff wrote: No one is likely to confuse me with a sentimentalist, and indeed, nothing ruins my day faster than getting a bonsai-Doctor diagnostic form that ends "I gave this bonsai to my wife on our anniversary as a testament of our love, and now it's dying! Please Help!" However, I hate losing a tree. You not only lose all the care and training you put into it, but you lose all the plans you had for it in the future. I just lost an evergreen pear I've been working on for 8 years, that was just starting to look the way I envisioned it should look. I miss the cracked bark. I miss the shiny leaves. One of these years, it would have bloomed pear blossoms. But not now. -- Nina Shishkoff Frederick, MD ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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----- Original Message ----- The reason I take photos is that I can always
look at what my tree(s) looked like (good or bad). So it is a sort of permanent record of my feeble attempts. As I look at this discussion, I am reminded of the expressed need to "talk to your plants" (Musta been from the feel-good seventies). This was aimed at houseplants, so I talked to them, and said, "My way, or the dumpster." Looking backward, I may have been a little short on tact, and hard on those plants, whose only duty was to survive, but it has helped me with bonsai, and I cull my collection with the ruthlessness of a sales manager. Do I have trees that would be embarrasing to show? Of course. Most of these are in the experiment stage; (I call them "victims"). Would my best trees be an embarrasment in the collection of one of the masters on the list? Of course, But they are all an ongoing process that I enjoy Some I keep simply because I remember what they have come from. The enjoyment is greater when the process leads to something beautiful. Carl does beautiful paintings. But, I'm sure that he has experiments that have either been sanded off, if he works on board, or have disappeared under a new painting. I feel that bonsai is the same way. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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Dear Bart:
I had to laugh at the last paragraph....you are absolutely right. Paintings that have never seen the light of day are trashed!!! (all three of them!) :-D don't I wish! Best regards and thanks for the good laugh! Carl Bart Thomas wrote: ----- Original Message ----- The reason I take photos is that I can always look at what my tree(s) looked like (good or bad). So it is a sort of permanent record of my feeble attempts. As I look at this discussion, I am reminded of the expressed need to "talk to your plants" (Musta been from the feel-good seventies). This was aimed at houseplants, so I talked to them, and said, "My way, or the dumpster." Looking backward, I may have been a little short on tact, and hard on those plants, whose only duty was to survive, but it has helped me with bonsai, and I cull my collection with the ruthlessness of a sales manager. Do I have trees that would be embarrasing to show? Of course. Most of these are in the experiment stage; (I call them "victims"). Would my best trees be an embarrasment in the collection of one of the masters on the list? Of course, But they are all an ongoing process that I enjoy Some I keep simply because I remember what they have come from. The enjoyment is greater when the process leads to something beautiful. Carl does beautiful paintings. But, I'm sure that he has experiments that have either been sanded off, if he works on board, or have disappeared under a new painting. I feel that bonsai is the same way. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Evergreen Gardenworks++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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