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[IBC] Leaf cutting
In a message dated 7/7/2004 2:25:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, April1201 writes:
I'd like to know the benefits of cutting the leaves in the summer. A couple books I have recommend either taking the leaves off all together in late July or cutting them in half or cutting two thirds of each leaf off. It's suppose to encourage smaller leaves to develope, thus reducing your leaf size each year. I've done that every year but last year and am deciding if I'll do it this year. Friend: Leaf cutting can be used for several purposes: 1. To reduce leaf size, if necessary 2. To slow growth in leaf pruned branches and to encourage growth in others. 3. To produce new leaves and improve appearance As a general rule, only leaf prune healthy, vigorous specimens. Also, do not confuse leaf cutting with bud removals, such as that which is done with Japanese Maples to improve ramifications. Cordially, Michael Persiano hometown.aol.com/iasnob--The Home of Yamamori, Guardian Spirit of the Mountain ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Leaf cutting
I'd like to know the benefits of cutting the leaves in the
summer. There are two: 1. Reducing leaf size (a goal only on a ready-to-show bonsai since leaf size doesn't matter a whit to a tree in training, and 2. More importantly, as a means of improving the ramification (twigginess) of the branches. This is why you would leaf prune a tree in training. A couple books I have recommend either taking the leaves off all together in late July or cutting them in half or cutting two thirds of each leaf off. Others' findings may differ, but I have never found any benefit in partially snipping leaves. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Leaf cutting
Jim: My understanding of the benefit of only cutting part of the
leaf was simply to prevent damage to the axillary buds under the petioles. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- From: Jim Lewis I'd like to know the benefits of cutting the leaves in the summer. There are two: 1. Reducing leaf size (a goal only on a ready-to-show bonsai since leaf size doesn't matter a whit to a tree in training, and 2. More importantly, as a means of improving the ramification (twigginess) of the branches. This is why you would leaf prune a tree in training. A couple books I have recommend either taking the leaves off all together in late July or cutting them in half or cutting two thirds of each leaf off. Others' findings may differ, but I have never found any benefit in partially snipping leaves. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Leaf cutting
Alan:
I think it is important to remove almost all of the leaf petiole when leaf cutting deciduous species. The base of the petiole is sometimes left to avoid damaging the new bud which will develop in the leaf axil. If the entire leaf is carelessly removed the small bud may be damaged, so it is best to leave just a "little" of the leaf petiole. Now, I have discovered that if one "cuts the leaf blade in half" to avoid stressing the tree, or being lazy and not removing the entire leaf blade will not be effective in the purpose of defoliation. What happens is that the leaf will continue to grow, rather than shed and encourage a new flush of growth. Also, another purpose of defoliation is to intensify autumn coloring and to enjoy the brilliant new spring growth color in summer. Right now I have a bright red Japanese maple in full spring coloring which is a sharp contrast to my many other green Japanese maples. Good luck! Bill ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Leaf cutting
Sure. That's why you don't PULL the leaves off and why you
always leave at least a stub of the petiole (leaf stem) on. But the descriptions on partial leaf cutting that I recall were aimed at doing less than full stripping (and at those broad-leafed trees that [supposedly] didn't take to having all of their leaves removed.) Anyway, I've tried it on trees with very short petioles which allegedly one shouldn't strip and have seen no benefit; neither did the leaves fall off as new ones were produced -- because new ones were NOT produced. I was stuck with a half-leaved tree for the remainder of the growing season. I left from 1/2 to 1/3 of the leaf on the branches; maybe I needed to just leave a tiny bit of the leaf, but ever since I've just defoliated all deciduous, broad-leafed trees, leaving a bit of petiole -- which ALL broad-leaf leaves have. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson ========================= Jim: My understanding of the benefit of only cutting part of the leaf was simply to prevent damage to the axillary buds under the petioles. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- From: Jim Lewis I'd like to know the benefits of cutting the leaves in the summer. There are two: 1. Reducing leaf size (a goal only on a ready-to-show bonsai since leaf size doesn't matter a whit to a tree in training, and 2. More importantly, as a means of improving the ramification (twigginess) of the branches. This is why you would leaf prune a tree in training. A couple books I have recommend either taking the leaves off all together in late July or cutting them in half or cutting two thirds of each leaf off. Others' findings may differ, but I have never found any benefit in partially snipping leaves. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL ************************************************** *************** *************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** *************** *************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Leaf cutting
In a message dated 7/8/2004 8:59:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes: That's why you don't PULL the leaves off and why you always leave at least a stub of the petiole (leaf stem) on. Jim I know you don't do tropicals, but the Ficus nerifilia is plucked, or just pulled off. Works great, especially if you also clip the bud at the end of each branch. Of course, you do end up with a lot of goo on your hands. Hmmm . . . Since -- after BSF -- I DO do tropicals and since they both happen to be F. nerifolia -- is this another procedure chalked up to TRADITION or does it actually do better than leaving a bit of leaf stalk on? Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Botanically and physiologically suspicious ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Leaf cutting
My tree is not in a bonsai pot yet and it won't be until the year after next.
I still want to do a few things to it before I proclaim it "done" enough for a pot. It will then be 14 years old. -Gosh I'm getting old... After reading all the advice, I've decided to cut now instead of waiting till the end of the month and leave the stem of each leaf on. Last year was the only time I didn't cut the leaves off since the the tree gained some maturity and I feel the leaves are a bit bigger this year, although they are still small. I brought a full size leaf home from work yesterday to compare and I was very pleased at the size difference. |
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[IBC] Leaf cutting
In a message dated 7/8/2004 10:19:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes: Since -- after BSF -- I DO do tropicals and since they both happen to be F. nerifolia -- is this another procedure chalked up to TRADITION or does it actually do better than leaving a bit of leaf stalk on? Well, it works. And usually there is some leaf stub when you pluck. Think of it as a chicken that has white goo on the feathers. Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention July 1 - 4, 2005 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Workshops with Jerry Meislik of Whitefish, Montana, Chase Rosade of New Hope, PA, and Ben Oki of California. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Leaf cutting
Michael,
Would you please write in more detail about Japanese Maple bud removals. When it should be done? Is there a special technique? Thank you, Olga Toronto, Canada Michael Persiano wrote: In a message dated 7/7/2004 2:25:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, April1201 writes: I'd like to know the benefits of cutting the leaves in the summer. A couple books I have recommend either taking the leaves off all together in late July or cutting them in half or cutting two thirds of each leaf off. It's suppose to encourage smaller leaves to develope, thus reducing your leaf size each year. I've done that every year but last year and am deciding if I'll do it this year. Friend: Leaf cutting can be used for several purposes: 1. To reduce leaf size, if necessary 2. To slow growth in leaf pruned branches and to encourage growth in others. 3. To produce new leaves and improve appearance As a general rule, only leaf prune healthy, vigorous specimens. Also, do not confuse leaf cutting with bud removals, such as that which is done with Japanese Maples to improve ramifications. Cordially, Michael Persiano hometown.aol.com/iasnob--The Home of Yamamori, Guardian Spirit of the Mountain ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Leaf cutting
I know that technically all broad-leafed trees have a petiole, but I had a
hard time finding it on my Zelkova. After carefully snipping a couple of hundred leaves, I gave up and stripped the rest of the tree. This was last year, and I don't see damage this year. However, I also did not notice additional ramification or a significant reduction in leaf size last year or this. Is there a secret to leaf pruning a Zeldova which has an almost imperceptible petiole? Wayne Greenleaf - New Orleans Z9 -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Jim Lewis Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 7:59 AM To: Subject: [IBC] Leaf cutting Sure. That's why you don't PULL the leaves off and why you always leave at least a stub of the petiole (leaf stem) on. [SNIP] maybe I needed to just leave a tiny bit of the leaf, but ever since I've just defoliated all deciduous, broad-leafed trees, leaving a bit of petiole -- which ALL broad-leaf leaves have. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Nature encourages no looseness, pardons no errors. Ralph Waldo Emerson ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Leaf cutting
I know that technically all broad-leafed trees have a petiole,
but I had a hard time finding it on my Zelkova. After carefully snipping a couple of hundred leaves, I gave up and stripped the rest of the tree. This was last year, and I don't see damage this year. However, I also did not notice additional ramification or a significant reduction in leaf size last year or this. Is there a secret to leaf pruning a Zeldova which has an almost imperceptible petiole? ========== Care. Patience. Perseverance. Something good to listen to on the stereo.* I stripped a hornbeam today and they are almost sans petiole, too. It took about 4 hours. *For me it was "Cosi Fan Tutte." Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Leaf cutting
Other resons for leaf cutting:
Aesthetic: Prefer bare branch to burned up leaves due to TX heat. Bud promotion: Additional light and air to stimulate future budding on branches. Balance of vigour: To promote vigor and growth in desired areas, allow other areas to "rest". Reduce leaf sizes to do the same, similar to needle plucking with pines... Dormancy: Overall rest/decrease transpiration burden during hottest part of summer in anticipation of fall growth spurt. I've observed the same budding, or lack thereof, with partial leaf cutting. Perhaps one reason is that there is less risk of a branch up and dying with greater leaf matter and just maybe it'll pop somewhere other than the tip! On developed trees I carefully snip, leaving the petiole. Trees in development often get the two-finger strip treatment. Jim Stone TX ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Leaf cutting
From Jim S:
Other resons for leaf cutting: snip Balance of vigour: To promote vigor and growth in desired areas, allow other areas to "rest". Reduce leaf sizes to do the same, similar to needle plucking with pines... I have _never_ noticed any benefit from this, though I've tried it several times. Rather than pushing energy into areas that seemed to need it, the tree puts it energy into makeing new leaves when I stripped. So maybe I should strip the WEAK areas. g Dormancy: Overall rest/decrease transpiration burden during hottest part of summer in anticipation of fall growth spurt. Very good point for those of us where summers are truly hot -- not like those folks "up nawth" who complain of the heat at upper 80s. I've observed the same budding, or lack thereof, with partial leaf cutting. Perhaps one reason is that there is less risk of a branch up and dying with greater leaf matter and just maybe it'll pop somewhere other than the tip! No. My trees ignore partial leaf cutting. Life goes on as usual. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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[IBC] Leaf cutting
I'd like to know the benefits of cutting the leaves in the
summer. There are two: 1. Reducing leaf size (a goal only on a ready-to-show bonsai since leaf size doesn't matter a whit to a tree in training, and 2. More importantly, as a means of improving the ramification (twigginess) of the branches. This is why you would leaf prune a tree in training. A couple books I have recommend either taking the leaves off all together in late July or cutting them in half or cutting two thirds of each leaf off. Others' findings may differ, but I have never found any benefit in partially snipping leaves. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by John Quinn++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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