In article , Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 30 May 2007 20:19:59 -0700, Bill Rose
wrote:


I'm tempted to say that it is echinacea except that the pictures I've
seen of echinacea don't show the leaves to be exactly opposit of each
other, which is the case with my plant.
http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pict...a-purpurea-9.h
tm
Otherwise, that's what it looks like except as I say that the leaves on
my plant are exactly opposite each other the next pair, up or down, are
at right angles to the first pair of leaves.

So, unless there is something else that looks like echinacea, then that
is what it must be. Funny, the one planted in the ground never came back
from last year.

Oh yeah Charlie, it has a roud, not square, stem.

Hmmmm.......I'd go out with a torch and look about stem placement
except.........THE DAMN DOG KEEPS EATING IT OFF!!!!!!! At least she
doesn't dig for the good part. Tell ya what, a Dane can move a bunch
of soil in a hurry!

The two collies we used to have, they did the same thing.

They knwo what's good for them too.

Guess you are going to have to wait for the bloom. Or wait for someone
who really knows what they are about.

Charlie

Oh, Charlie,
I don't know if I can wait that long. Think I'll take another run at
this in a few days after I get some film developed. You remember what
film is? Won't get much done today. My Lovey-poo is taking me to see
"Paris,je t'aime". I'm hoping for some good views of the worlds #1
tourist destination. We'll start in the park across the street from the
cinema with a store bought burned rotisserie chicken, baguette and, a
bottle of Medoc. I'll put the garden on auto-pilot.

I'm gonna' have to re-read the last few missives from Jan. I've been
running around too much. Looked kinda exotic.

plus tard,
- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Bill Rose wrote:

Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly from
seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I thought that
these herbs had died but they came back this year. I don't recognize
them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them in
alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3 posts over.
It didn't up-load.

I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the snaps. It
was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified, I'll do better
next time.

- Bill


3a looks like a mint on the left and maybe lavender or
tarragon on the right.

Brush your fingers on the leaves and see what those
plants smell like.

Mints normally (always?) have square stems.

Jan

Yeah, your right Jan, it does look like a mint (square stem and all) but
it doesn't have a mint smell and it's not "self-heal". Another feature
of it is that the first couple of inches at the base of the stem is
cherry red, as are a few of the lower leaves. As for the other plant, I
have tarragon growing in the garden already and the two look identical
EXCEPT the unknown has a light grassy flavor (?) and the tarragon tastes
like tarragon. Secondly, the unknown has opposing leaves which rotate at
right angles up and down the stem, whereas the tarragon has a single
leaf that rotates at 170 degrees (or 190 degrees, depending on how you
look at it), up and down the stem. It is unlikely, but possible, that
some of these herbs are culinary but most likely they are medicinal.

Herb 2 also kinda looks like tarragon except for the varying hues of red
on some of it's leaves.

Meanwhile, my grasses are in. One of the Plantago ovata suffered some
grazing damage (the culpable is unknown) and the omega flax is
sprouting. Horizon Herbs never did give me any reason why they thought
that this flax was higher in omega-3s than common flax. The bitter
melons are laid out in front of their trellis along with a Gynostemma
pentaphyllum (Jiaogulan). The peas are just petering along. They should
love the heat (or lack of same). They get daily waterings. They have
been in the ground for about a month. Some are 6" high, and others are
doing better at about 3'. Planted a bird-house gourd vine at the end of
the peas. I figure they (the peas) probably only have another six weeks
to go before it gets too hot for them. The cucumbers are just staring at
me and, just sit there. Zukes are in but they haven't shown much
development yet either. Tomatoes are all in, except for a few more that
I want to find space for. The tomatoes and corn have been the most
responsive plants in the garden, which I find surprising, considering
the temps. It didn't break 70 F yesterday. We have been having morning
fog and high clouds, comfortable afternoons and, cool evening (by local
standards).

The bees are here. Saw at least a dozen yesterday. They are all over the
violets. We have humming birds that feed on our Chinese lanterns. Now if
I could just think of a way to get rid of the blue jays and encourage a
mocking bird to move in. Any kind of song bird would be nice.

Keep your fingers dirty.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum

Bill Rose wrote in
:

In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Bill Rose wrote:

Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly
from seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I
thought that these herbs had died but they came back this year. I
don't recognize them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them
in alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3
posts over. It didn't up-load.

I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the
snaps. It was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified,
I'll do better next time.

- Bill


3a looks like a mint on the left and maybe lavender or
tarragon on the right.

Brush your fingers on the leaves and see what those
plants smell like.

Mints normally (always?) have square stems.

Jan

Yeah, your right Jan, it does look like a mint (square stem and all)
but it doesn't have a mint smell and it's not "self-heal".

Did you plant bee-balm? It has a sq. stem IIRC and it won't have a mint
smell.

Charlie wrote in :

On Thu, 31 May 2007 18:50:43 +0000 (UTC), FragileWarrior
wrote:

Bill Rose wrote in
:

In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Bill Rose wrote:

Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly
from seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I
thought that these herbs had died but they came back this year. I
don't recognize them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted
them
in alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3
posts over. It didn't up-load.

I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the
snaps. It was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified,
I'll do better next time.

- Bill


3a looks like a mint on the left and maybe lavender or
tarragon on the right.

Brush your fingers on the leaves and see what those
plants smell like.

Mints normally (always?) have square stems.

Jan

Yeah, your right Jan, it does look like a mint (square stem and all)
but it doesn't have a mint smell and it's not "self-heal".

Did you plant bee-balm? It has a sq. stem IIRC and it won't have a
mint
smell.

You are right, stem is square, I just went outside and looked. But the
leaves have a light scent reminiscent of catnip? The leaf stems are
opposite each other.

Charlie


Opposite leaves are a trait of the mint family as is the square stem, as
far as I can recall without actually going out and checking out the
garden. Did you plant catnip? Or maybe cat mint? I can't see the pics
so I'm just guessing, of course.

Charlie wrote in :
[..]
No, it was bee balm, at least that was what the labeling said it was.
I have gotten mislabeled pots before. It is not flowering yet, I
planted it late last year (one of those really late sales at garden
center) and it didn't bloom last summer.

I'll go take a pic and put it up on abp.gardens.

Done.

Crap.....I was/ am in a hurry. The photos are friggin' huge, I forgot
to reset the camera or resize the jpg. the first time. The second
post is a little smaller, but still kinda large. Two shots per
message.





Charlie


I can't get abpg. I've asked XNews to get it but it's not up yet. At
least the ID problem is solved!

On May 30, 8:19 pm, Bill Rose wrote:
In article , Charlie wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2007 15:47:41 -0700, William Rose
wrote:

Are all the photos of the same plant, Bill?

The first one, shot from the top, looks like echinacea.

Hmmm
Charlie

OK, so I'm not a photographer. The fuzzy pictures were taken with a
polaroid that obviously has no macro capability. The second was taken by
a neighbor who was pressed into service.
Each set is of a different plant 1a&b, 2a&b and, then I got tricky, 3&4
a&b are of two plants, side by side.
Scores will be awarded on the basis of correctness or creativity.
Good luck,

I'm staying with echinacea on #1. Are the leaves and the stem
"sandpapery"? And the stem tough? If it is echinacea, you should see
some buds before long.

Others have to get the others.

I like this game, kinda like the National Geographic guess the macro
shot.

Chumily
Charlie

I'm tempted to say that it is echinacea except that the pictures I've
seen of echinacea don't show the leaves to be exactly opposit of each
other, which is the case with my plant.http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pict...nacea-purpurea...
tm
Otherwise, that's what it looks like except as I say that the leaves on
my plant are exactly opposite each other the next pair, up or down, are
at right angles to the first pair of leaves.

So, unless there is something else that looks like echinacea, then that
is what it must be. Funny, the one planted in the ground never came back
from last year.

Oh yeah Charlie, it has a roud, not square, stem.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)


Well I did go out and look at my echinacea, and I am sure
that this will help a lot
Mine has BOTH opposite and alternate leaves.
So another characterisic 'might' be needed.

One nitpicking fact, there are no Blue Jays in Calif.
They will be either Steller's or Scrub Jays. You really
don't want to get rid of them; they are masters at
locating tomato worms and eating/feeding them to
young. They also warn other birds of the presence
of cats. Besides they are big clowns and are great
fun to watch.

(I cannot get alt. bin. etc so that's as much help as
I can give.)
Emilie
NorCal

In article om,
mleblanca wrote:

On May 30, 8:19 pm, Bill Rose wrote:
In article , Charlie wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2007 15:47:41 -0700, William Rose
wrote:

Are all the photos of the same plant, Bill?

The first one, shot from the top, looks like echinacea.

Hmmm
Charlie

OK, so I'm not a photographer. The fuzzy pictures were taken with a
polaroid that obviously has no macro capability. The second was taken by
a neighbor who was pressed into service.
Each set is of a different plant 1a&b, 2a&b and, then I got tricky, 3&4
a&b are of two plants, side by side.
Scores will be awarded on the basis of correctness or creativity.
Good luck,

I'm staying with echinacea on #1. Are the leaves and the stem
"sandpapery"? And the stem tough? If it is echinacea, you should see
some buds before long.

Others have to get the others.

I like this game, kinda like the National Geographic guess the macro
shot.

Chumily
Charlie

I'm tempted to say that it is echinacea except that the pictures I've
seen of echinacea don't show the leaves to be exactly opposit of each
other, which is the case with my
plant.http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pict...nacea-purpurea.
..
tm
Otherwise, that's what it looks like except as I say that the leaves on
my plant are exactly opposite each other the next pair, up or down, are
at right angles to the first pair of leaves.

So, unless there is something else that looks like echinacea, then that
is what it must be. Funny, the one planted in the ground never came back
from last year.

Oh yeah Charlie, it has a roud, not square, stem.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)


Well I did go out and look at my echinacea, and I am sure
that this will help a lot
Mine has BOTH opposite and alternate leaves.
So another characterisic 'might' be needed.

One nitpicking fact, there are no Blue Jays in Calif.
They will be either Steller's or Scrub Jays. You really
don't want to get rid of them; they are masters at
locating tomato worms and eating/feeding them to
young. They also warn other birds of the presence
of cats. Besides they are big clowns and are great
fun to watch.

(I cannot get alt. bin. etc so that's as much help as
I can give.)
Emilie
NorCal

Yeah, yeah, what can I say. We call them blue jays or just plain "jays".
We are leaning over the fence talking to each other not writing a text
book on ornithology.
Warn about "cats"? They chase the cats and eat their food. These birds
have real interpersonal problems. They chase the house wrens and, the
bush-tits. They move in gangs. They're just plain mean. I'd still give
all of the for one mocking bird.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Thu, 31 May 2007 08:25:49 -0700, Bill Rose
wrote:


Oh, Charlie,
I don't know if I can wait that long. Think I'll take another run at
this in a few days after I get some film developed. You remember what
film is? Won't get much done today. My Lovey-poo is taking me to see
"Paris,je t'aime". I'm hoping for some good views of the worlds #1
tourist destination. We'll start in the park across the street from the
cinema with a store bought burned rotisserie chicken, baguette and, a
bottle of Medoc. I'll put the garden on auto-pilot.

Sounds like a absolutely delightful afternoon ahead. Tell Lovey-poo
that Charlie wishes her a fine day as well.

Film? Listen, old trout, for the price of film and developement and
running to the gettin' place and all that, you could take the next
step. Pretty small learning curve involved. ;-)



I'm gonna' have to re-read the last few missives from Jan. I've been
running around too much. Looked kinda exotic.

Dovete fare ritardare la vostra fretta

plus tard,

Mas tarde

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

Charlie
Konichiwa Charlie,
but spend money Charlie? Are you mad? Have your tires come off their
rims? It will probably happen when Lovey-poo gets me back in harness.
Had lunch under a tree and watched the Canadian geese and, duck swim
around in the lake. The menu was as previously stated. Got to the cinema
early. Had some coffee and a short nap. "Paris, je t'aime" is a crazy
quilt of short stories, some sad, some funny, some weird. I strongly
recommend it. Personally, I was bordering on the verge of melancholy.
Travel is an expensive addiction.

Got me some marigolds for the buddha on the front walk.

Gonna have to get to fixin' the garage soon though before the whole damn
thing come crashing down.

Gotta run. Time for digestives. Alla vostra salute.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum

On Thu, 31 May 2007 20:18:58 -0700, Bill Rose
wrote:


Konichiwa Charlie,
but spend money Charlie? Are you mad? Have your tires come off their
rims? It will probably happen when Lovey-poo gets me back in harness.
Had lunch under a tree and watched the Canadian geese and, duck swim
around in the lake. The menu was as previously stated. Got to the cinema
early. Had some coffee and a short nap. "Paris, je t'aime" is a crazy
quilt of short stories, some sad, some funny, some weird. I strongly
recommend it. Personally, I was bordering on the verge of melancholy.
Travel is an expensive addiction.

Got me some marigolds for the buddha on the front walk.

Gonna have to get to fixin' the garage soon though before the whole damn
thing come crashing down.

Gotta run. Time for digestives. Alla vostra salute.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum

Yes, I know what you mean....... but I possess "The Golden Card of
Grandchild"! ("Yes dear, but it is *really* necessary for the
grandchildren")

Bwwaaaaahhaaaaahhaaaa.......oops! Sorry!

It sounds as if you had a lovely day, given digestives are necessary!

Marigolds! Love 'em and so useful. This year I added a couple new
varieties, one African and the other a double-pinwheel. They are a
very tall variety, which I had not noticed before. The Africans are
supposed to be around four feet tall and the doubles as well. They are
already about a foot high and growing like crazy. I'll put up some
pics when they are in their glory.

We always plant lots of the petite varieties in every little space in
the garden and tuck them in pots when possible.

Give Buddha a belly-rub and Lovey-poo a kiss.

"cento di questi giorni!"
Charlie

On Thu, 31 May 2007 20:58:40 +0000 (UTC), FragileWarrior
wrote:



I can't get abpg. I've asked XNews to get it but it's not up yet. At
least the ID problem is solved!

Can you configure your newsreader for two different servers or run a
second copy of it?

There are quite a few free and open servers around the world, many
carrying the binary groups, though some come and go.
Alt.binaries.pictures.gardens isn't too racey or high traffic and is
more likely to be available than the, uhhhh.......more "popular" binary
groups.

http://www.newzbot.com/

http://dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/Public_News_Servers/

http://www.newsservers.net/FreeNewsServers.php

http://www.disenter.com/

http://www.news2mail.com/alt/binarie...s/gardens.html

alt.free.newsservers -- Usenet group pertaining to free and/or open
servers

Just a thought
Charlie

In article ,
FragileWarrior wrote:

Bill Rose wrote in
:

In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Bill Rose wrote:

Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly
from seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I
thought that these herbs had died but they came back this year. I
don't recognize them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them
in alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3
posts over. It didn't up-load.

I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the
snaps. It was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified,
I'll do better next time.

- Bill


3a looks like a mint on the left and maybe lavender or
tarragon on the right.

Brush your fingers on the leaves and see what those
plants smell like.

Mints normally (always?) have square stems.

Jan

Yeah, your right Jan, it does look like a mint (square stem and all)
but it doesn't have a mint smell and it's not "self-heal".

Did you plant bee-balm? It has a sq. stem IIRC and it won't have a mint
smell.

Frag, mint it is but I can't find a description that mentions pink
leaves (most are green) or lower stalks being pink. I really thought you
had it because I unsuccessfully started some last year. So it is a very
good guess. I don't think it could have crossed with anything in the
yard because it never got to flower. It's getting late. I'll re-examen
tomorrow.

Thanks,
- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Thu, 31 May 2007 20:16:47 +0000 (UTC), FragileWarrior
wrote:

Charlie wrote in :

On Thu, 31 May 2007 18:50:43 +0000 (UTC), FragileWarrior
wrote:

Bill Rose wrote in
:

In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Bill Rose wrote:

Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly
from seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I
thought that these herbs had died but they came back this year. I
don't recognize them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted
them
in alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3
posts over. It didn't up-load.

I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the
snaps. It was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified,
I'll do better next time.

- Bill


3a looks like a mint on the left and maybe lavender or
tarragon on the right.

Brush your fingers on the leaves and see what those
plants smell like.

Mints normally (always?) have square stems.

Jan

Yeah, your right Jan, it does look like a mint (square stem and all)
but it doesn't have a mint smell and it's not "self-heal".

Did you plant bee-balm? It has a sq. stem IIRC and it won't have a
mint
smell.

You are right, stem is square, I just went outside and looked. But the
leaves have a light scent reminiscent of catnip? The leaf stems are
opposite each other.

Charlie


Opposite leaves are a trait of the mint family as is the square stem, as
far as I can recall without actually going out and checking out the
garden. Did you plant catnip? Or maybe cat mint? I can't see the pics
so I'm just guessing, of course.

No, it was bee balm, at least that was what the labeling said it was.
I have gotten mislabeled pots before. It is not flowering yet, I
planted it late last year (one of those really late sales at garden
center) and it didn't bloom last summer.

I'll go take a pic and put it up on abp.gardens.

Done.

Crap.....I was/ am in a hurry. The photos are friggin' huge, I forgot
to reset the camera or resize the jpg. the first time. The second post
is a little smaller, but still kinda large. Two shots per message.





Charlie
Thing is the base of my stalks are pink and if you look closely you will
see five or six pink leaves. No obvious mint smell or taste to the
leaves.
- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum

On May 31, 7:56 pm, Bill Rose wrote:
In article om,



mleblanca wrote:
On May 30, 8:19 pm, Bill Rose wrote:
In article , Charlie wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2007 15:47:41 -0700, William Rose
wrote:

Are all the photos of the same plant, Bill?

The first one, shot from the top, looks like echinacea.

Hmmm
Charlie

OK, so I'm not a photographer. The fuzzy pictures were taken with a
polaroid that obviously has no macro capability. The second was taken by
a neighbor who was pressed into service.
Each set is of a different plant 1a&b, 2a&b and, then I got tricky, 3&4
a&b are of two plants, side by side.
Scores will be awarded on the basis of correctness or creativity.
Good luck,

I'm staying with echinacea on #1. Are the leaves and the stem
"sandpapery"? And the stem tough? If it is echinacea, you should see
some buds before long.

Others have to get the others.

I like this game, kinda like the National Geographic guess the macro
shot.

Chumily
Charlie

I'm tempted to say that it is echinacea except that the pictures I've
seen of echinacea don't show the leaves to be exactly opposit of each
other, which is the case with my
plant.http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pict...nacea-purpurea.
..
tm
Otherwise, that's what it looks like except as I say that the leaves on
my plant are exactly opposite each other the next pair, up or down, are
at right angles to the first pair of leaves.

So, unless there is something else that looks like echinacea, then that
is what it must be. Funny, the one planted in the ground never came back
from last year.

Oh yeah Charlie, it has a roud, not square, stem.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

Well I did go out and look at my echinacea, and I am sure
that this will help a lot
Mine has BOTH opposite and alternate leaves.
So another characterisic 'might' be needed.

One nitpicking fact, there are no Blue Jays in Calif.
They will be either Steller's or Scrub Jays. You really
don't want to get rid of them; they are masters at
locating tomato worms and eating/feeding them to
young. They also warn other birds of the presence
of cats. Besides they are big clowns and are great
fun to watch.



Yeah, yeah, what can I say. We call them blue jays or just plain "jays".
We are leaning over the fence talking to each other not writing a text
book on ornithology.
Oh now.........if I wanted to teach you ornithology I would have said:
There are no Cyanocitta cristata in CA; we have Cyanocitta stelleri
and Aphelocoma californica. Don't get testy :^) There will be no
test....

Warn about "cats"? They chase the cats and eat their food. These birds
have real interpersonal problems. They chase the house wrens and, the
bush-tits. They move in gangs. They're just plain mean.
Hmm, they sound almost like humans, don't they? Some people don't like
them I'd guess, because the jays are smarter than they are (present
company excepted, of course) Maybe Coastal Jays are mean from all
that fog and mist!! Our are just funny.

I'd still give
all of the for one mocking bird.
My mockingbird leaves the first of May. He goes down to the creek
to help with raising the younguns. No singing at this time, too busy

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non dispu

Emilie

In article .com,
mleblanca wrote:



I'd still give
all of the for one mocking bird.
My mockingbird leaves the first of May. He goes down to the creek
to help with raising the younguns. No singing at this time, too busy

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non dispu

Emilie

Friends of ours had a tree where a mockingbird nested for 3 years in a
row. I could have listen to that bird all night. The drive to their hour
took us by fields with a small brook, where deer would be grazing in
the long shadows. That and the food that our friends made, made every
other Sat. an event that I awaited with great anticipation. Mockingbird
left, friends left, deer left but I still do the Sat. night barbeque.
I'd love to listen to a mockingbird again.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

Bill Rose wrote in news:rosefam-DD4294.13255001062007
@cor8-ppp5025.per.dsl.connect.net.au:

In article .com,
mleblanca wrote:



I'd still give
all of the for one mocking bird.
My mockingbird leaves the first of May. He goes down to the creek
to help with raising the younguns. No singing at this time, too busy

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non dispu

Emilie

Friends of ours had a tree where a mockingbird nested for 3 years in a
row. I could have listen to that bird all night. The drive to their
hour
took us by fields with a small brook, where deer would be grazing in
the long shadows. That and the food that our friends made, made every
other Sat. an event that I awaited with great anticipation. Mockingbird
left, friends left, deer left but I still do the Sat. night barbeque.
I'd love to listen to a mockingbird again.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

In what part of the country do you have mockingbirds? Do you plant stuff
that will encourage them come 'round?

I saw my first hummingbird yesterday -- a nice Ruby Throat male. I was
so thrilled I could have kissed his pointy little beak. I know in groups
they are really not a nice bird but I love their little humming souls.