Billy wrote:

You know what you are? I'll leave you to fill in the blank.
--
- Billy

Yup , it sure sounds like I'm a racist . But then you don't live where I
do , you haven't seen what I've seen , and you haven't experienced what I've
experienced . Most of the black people I know are fine upstanding citizens .
Some of them aren't . Most of the White and Hispanic people I know are also
fine upstanding citizens too , and some aren't .
Scum is scum , no matter what color their skin is . It's just that there's
a higher proportion of that behavior in a certain segment of the population
here , and they use their race to perpetuate the myth of "poor mistreated
us" .
That same neighbor said "I hate you because you're white , I hate ALL
white people." the very first time he laid eyes on me . Kinda set the tone
, I'd say . Didn't matter to him that we bought his son a bicycle (while HE
was in prison) because he was the only kid on the block that didn't have one
, he couldn't get past race ... that same guy assaulted and tried to kill me
at a later date , because I said something he didn't like . Gee , I wonder
if I shoulda just turned the other cheek , so to speak .
--
Snag
Nah , I shoulda popped a cap on his ass .

"Snag" wrote:
Billy wrote:

You know what you are? I'll leave you to fill in the blank.
--
- Billy

Yup , it sure sounds like I'm a racist . But then you don't live where I
do , you haven't seen what I've seen , and you haven't experienced what I've
experienced . Most of the black people I know are fine upstanding citizens .
Some of them aren't . Most of the White and Hispanic people I know are also
fine upstanding citizens too , and some aren't .
Scum is scum , no matter what color their skin is . It's just that there's
a higher proportion of that behavior in a certain segment of the population
here , and they use their race to perpetuate the myth of "poor mistreated
us" .
That same neighbor said "I hate you because you're white , I hate ALL
white people." the very first time he laid eyes on me . Kinda set the tone
, I'd say . Didn't matter to him that we bought his son a bicycle (while HE
was in prison) because he was the only kid on the block that didn't have one
, he couldn't get past race ... that same guy assaulted and tried to kill me
at a later date , because I said something he didn't like . Gee , I wonder
if I shoulda just turned the other cheek , so to speak .
--
Snag
Nah , I shoulda popped a cap on his ass .

Hmm... I will probably regret writing this in this day and age where free
speech is limited.

In many ways I agree with snag. Living in an area where where whites and
blacks lived for a time next to each other. When I was a kid my
neighborhood was almost all white. One mile away was the infamous eight
mile road that was almost all Black. Those societies was only one mile
apart and yet amazingly dramatically different. The black is race in my
book is a cursed race, a very violent race.

When I was ten years old, my school took us to Belle Island, a nice park in
in Detroit. Me and a friend named jack, rented a tandem bicycle. As we were
riding a school bus pulled up and about six black kids a little older than
Me and Jack bolted from the Bus and ran straight for us. I said to Jack,
peddle! Peddle fast! I was on the back of the bike and those black hands
with outstretched fingers were inches from grabbing my back. We succeeded
in out running them. Never again would I be in such an area unless I was in
a large group of friends.

A friend a few years later a friend had his home broken into. His dog, a
german Shepard was choking and the basement window was broken out. The vet
pulled a black finger out of the dogs throat.

While going to Wayne State University, a University located in Detroit was
like a little oasis in the middle of a desert. The expressway was closed
for repair, I took the off ramp and got lost in a black neighborhood.
Several blacks noticed me and started throwing bricks and rocks at my car.
Again fortunate to drive off quickly and found a main road.

Sometimes I took the bus home from the university. The bus system then was
separated into inner city use only and for city to city. I always took the
city to city bus and was almost always white. On two different occasions I
saw a gang of blacks kill a white person as the bus drove by in Detroit.
Each case the white person was alone.

When I was a kid I use to ride my bike through the northern neighborhoods
without problems. One of the cities was increasingly becoming populated by
blacks. When I was in my thirties a black gang started to chase me. Then I
laughed and pedaled faster once again that reminded me of Belle Island.

I moved out of the city fourteen years ago just before the housing collapse
and moved to the safety of the city. I still worked in the city for another
thirteen years. The housing collapse allowed blacks to escape the confines
of Detroit. I could hear gun fire every night. Some coworker were beaten in
front of their own home. When I saw gangs of blanks walking in the middle
of the street, I would drive several blocks out of my way to avoid them.
When going home late from work at midnight I could see gangs with baseball
bats in hand as they walked in front of my work window. They were not going
to play baseball. The local cities removed all basketball nets from the
parks because of blacks shooting whites for the use of the hoops. One rule
was never ever look a black person in the eye. They would immediately say
in a hostile tone "What are you looking at".

I have never ever been robbed or beaten by anyone white or black. I always
kept an eye on my surroundings. I did not and do not like living in fear.

I know not all blacks are violent or stupid. I have met at spoke with many
intelligent blacks at Wayne State University. But in my opinion they are
far from the norm.

================================================== ==========

As I said in my presupposition the black race is a cursed race. For most of
my life I have and still regularly take injections of testosterone stemming
from a pituitary tumor that controls the sex glands. For that I have a
biased belief.

High testosterone can causes one to become very strong very athletic. High
levels of testosterone can cause one to become quick to anger, rage and
violence. High levels of testosterone can increase ones desire for sex and
an increase in promiscuity and breakups of the family unit. High levels of
testosterone can cause one to become more active and more agitated to sit
still, therefore one does not learn as much in a sitting environment of the
class room.

Am I a racist? I voted for Obama, I want a better world for my self and
others including the Black race, I know I can say the phrase "African
American" instead of "Black" but do not. I have nothing against the blacks,
I wish them well.

Is it wrong for me to play it safe by moving to the country?

I have spoken to blacks, some think that "just by being white one is a
racist". Now before anyone calls me a racist and by that definition I might
be. But first, I would like someone first tell me what a racist is?

Waiting for the thrashing...

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

In article , "Snag"
wrote:

Billy wrote:

You know what you are? I'll leave you to fill in the blank.
--
- Billy

Yup , it sure sounds like I'm a racist . But then you don't live where I
do , you haven't seen what I've seen , and you haven't experienced what I've
experienced . Most of the black people I know are fine upstanding citizens .
Yeah, I've experienced that.

Some of them aren't . Most of the White and Hispanic people I know are also
fine upstanding citizens too , and some aren't .
Agreed, no group has a monopoly on saints or sinners.

Scum is scum , no matter what color their skin is . It's just that there's
a higher proportion of that behavior in a certain segment of the population
here , and they use their race to perpetuate the myth of "poor mistreated
us" .
What "certain segment of "underpriveledged" people" "too lazy to work"
[,and] thinks getting an education is being an "Uncle Tom"?
You talkin' about black PEOPLE, boy?

How does "There's a large population of "underpriveledged" people "too
lazy to work", [t]hat thinks getting an education is being an "Uncle
Tom"" devolve into your neighbor? How does he catch societies full load
of stereotypes? How do you know that they swap their food stamps for
drugs? If he was busted for drugs before, he would be ineligible for
food $tamps, and "$ection 8" hou$ing.

Let's take it from the top.
1) "underpriveledged" people"
Well, they certainly didn't get a golden parachute when they were let go
as slaves 150 years ago after, they had made profits for their masters,
and they were still broke when the worst of the Jim Crow laws were
overturned 50 years ago.
White Black Hispanic
Median income 2006 $50,673* $31,969* $37,781*

Net Worth of Households 2009 $113,149 $5,677 $6,325

You do know that there are costs for food, clothing, and housing. After
paying for those, you can save money against a rainy day.

Study: Median Wealth for
Single Black Women: $100,
Single Hispanic Women: $120,
Single White Women: $41,000

2) Unemployment is 9% for white PEOPLE, and 20% for black PEOPLE and 40%
for black youth.

3) When I went to college, tuition was $300 to $400 per semester. The
same school is now charging over $2,000/semester (and that's relatively
cheap). More over, there are many people graduating college that can't
find work. Does it make any sense to go deep into debt, and spend at
least 4 years of your life to be told that there is no work for you?
Education is being priced out of reach for many citizens.

This country has real, serious problems, but our major ones start at the
top of society, not at the bottom.

That same neighbor said "I hate you because you're white , I hate ALL
white people." the very first time he laid eyes on me .
In part that's because white PEOPLE feel a sense of entitlement that few
black PEOPLE ever get to experience. It ****es them off that we are so
dense.

Kinda set the tone
, I'd say . Didn't matter to him that we bought his son a bicycle (while HE
was in prison) because he was the only kid on the block that didn't have one
, he couldn't get past race ...
Not like you, huh?

that same guy assaulted and tried to kill me
at a later date , because I said something he didn't like . Gee , I wonder
if I shoulda just turned the other cheek , so to speak .
--
Snag
Nah , I shoulda popped a cap on his ass .
How white of you.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it¹s not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That¹s hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don¹t get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis

Ya know Billy , I'm just not going to debate this with you any more . I
don't know what race you are , but from your attitude and responses I
strongly suspect you're black .
I've made it a policy in my life to try very very hard to judge a person
by what he says , thinks , and does . When a person walks up to the fence
and says what that man did to me , it kinda sets the tone for the
relationship . You'll notice I haven't used any racially inflammatory names
, like you did in this latest response ...
BTW , every word I typed is FACT , not opinion . Enjoy your stay in my
BozoBin .
--
Snag
Learning keeps
you young !

Nad R wrote:
"Snag" wrote:
Billy wrote:

You know what you are? I'll leave you to fill in the blank.
--
- Billy

Yup , it sure sounds like I'm a racist . But then you don't live
where I do , you haven't seen what I've seen , and you haven't
experienced what I've experienced . Most of the black people I know
are fine upstanding citizens . Some of them aren't . Most of the
White and Hispanic people I know are also fine upstanding citizens
too , and some aren't . Scum is scum , no matter what color their
skin is . It's just that there's a higher proportion of that
behavior in a certain segment of the population here , and they use
their race to perpetuate the myth of "poor mistreated us" .
That same neighbor said "I hate you because you're white , I hate
ALL white people." the very first time he laid eyes on me . Kinda
set the tone , I'd say . Didn't matter to him that we bought his son
a bicycle (while HE was in prison) because he was the only kid on
the block that didn't have one , he couldn't get past race ... that
same guy assaulted and tried to kill me at a later date , because I
said something he didn't like . Gee , I wonder if I shoulda just
turned the other cheek , so to speak . --
Snag
Nah , I shoulda popped a cap on his ass .

Hmm... I will probably regret writing this in this day and age where
free speech is limited.

In many ways I agree with snag. Living in an area where where whites
and blacks lived for a time next to each other. When I was a kid my
neighborhood was almost all white. One mile away was the infamous
eight mile road that was almost all Black. Those societies was only
one mile apart and yet amazingly dramatically different. The black is
race in my book is a cursed race, a very violent race.

big snip

I have spoken to blacks, some think that "just by being white one is a
racist". Now before anyone calls me a racist and by that definition I
might be. But first, I would like someone first tell me what a racist
is?

Waiting for the thrashing...

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

And I'm probably gonna regret stokin' the fire , but if blacks are about
11% of the population of the USA , why is it that they constitute almost
HALF of the prison population ?
--
Snag
Eat *that* with hot sauce , Billy .

In article , "Snag"
wrote:

Ya know Billy , I'm just not going to debate this with you any more . I
don't know what race you are , but from your attitude and responses I
strongly suspect you're black .
I've made it a policy in my life to try very very hard to judge a person
by what he says , thinks , and does . When a person walks up to the fence
and says what that man did to me , it kinda sets the tone for the
relationship . You'll notice I haven't used any racially inflammatory names
, like you did in this latest response ...
BTW , every word I typed is FACT , not opinion . Enjoy your stay in my
BozoBin .

You know, you could have just said your neighbor was a jerk, but no, you
had to bring his race into it, and now YOU want to play the victim.
I strongly suspect that you are stoopid, whatever your color may be.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it¹s not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That¹s hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don¹t get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis

"Snag" wrote:
Nad R wrote:
"Snag" wrote:
Billy wrote:

You know what you are? I'll leave you to fill in the blank.
--
- Billy

Yup , it sure sounds like I'm a racist . But then you don't live
where I do , you haven't seen what I've seen , and you haven't
experienced what I've experienced . Most of the black people I know
are fine upstanding citizens . Some of them aren't . Most of the
White and Hispanic people I know are also fine upstanding citizens
too , and some aren't . Scum is scum , no matter what color their
skin is . It's just that there's a higher proportion of that
behavior in a certain segment of the population here , and they use
their race to perpetuate the myth of "poor mistreated us" .
That same neighbor said "I hate you because you're white , I hate
ALL white people." the very first time he laid eyes on me . Kinda
set the tone , I'd say . Didn't matter to him that we bought his son
a bicycle (while HE was in prison) because he was the only kid on
the block that didn't have one , he couldn't get past race ... that
same guy assaulted and tried to kill me at a later date , because I
said something he didn't like . Gee , I wonder if I shoulda just
turned the other cheek , so to speak . --
Snag
Nah , I shoulda popped a cap on his ass .

Hmm... I will probably regret writing this in this day and age where
free speech is limited.

In many ways I agree with snag. Living in an area where where whites
and blacks lived for a time next to each other. When I was a kid my
neighborhood was almost all white. One mile away was the infamous
eight mile road that was almost all Black. Those societies was only
one mile apart and yet amazingly dramatically different. The black is
race in my book is a cursed race, a very violent race.

big snip

I have spoken to blacks, some think that "just by being white one is a
racist". Now before anyone calls me a racist and by that definition I
might be. But first, I would like someone first tell me what a racist
is?

Waiting for the thrashing...

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

And I'm probably gonna regret stokin' the fire , but if blacks are about
11% of the population of the USA , why is it that they constitute almost
HALF of the prison population ?

I indirectly answered that question. High testosterone levels in people
tend have a greater tendency to violence, the rage, the promiscuity... A
race that probably has a natural higher levels of testosterone for males
and females.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

In article ,
Nad R wrote:

"Snag" wrote:
Billy wrote:

You know what you are? I'll leave you to fill in the blank.
--
- Billy

Yup , it sure sounds like I'm a racist . But then you don't live where I
do , you haven't seen what I've seen , and you haven't experienced what
I've
experienced . Most of the black people I know are fine upstanding citizens
.
Some of them aren't . Most of the White and Hispanic people I know are also
fine upstanding citizens too , and some aren't .
Scum is scum , no matter what color their skin is . It's just that
there's
a higher proportion of that behavior in a certain segment of the population
here , and they use their race to perpetuate the myth of "poor mistreated
us" .
That same neighbor said "I hate you because you're white , I hate ALL
white people." the very first time he laid eyes on me . Kinda set the tone
, I'd say . Didn't matter to him that we bought his son a bicycle (while HE
was in prison) because he was the only kid on the block that didn't have
one
, he couldn't get past race ... that same guy assaulted and tried to kill
me
at a later date , because I said something he didn't like . Gee , I wonder
if I shoulda just turned the other cheek , so to speak .
--
Snag
Nah , I shoulda popped a cap on his ass .

Hmm... I will probably regret writing this in this day and age where free
speech is limited.

In many ways I agree with snag. Living in an area where where whites and
blacks lived for a time next to each other. When I was a kid my
neighborhood was almost all white. One mile away was the infamous eight
mile road that was almost all Black. Those societies was only one mile
apart and yet amazingly dramatically different. The black is race in my
book is a cursed race, a very violent race.

When I was ten years old, my school took us to Belle Island, a nice park in
in Detroit. Me and a friend named jack, rented a tandem bicycle. As we were
riding a school bus pulled up and about six black kids a little older than
Me and Jack bolted from the Bus and ran straight for us. I said to Jack,
peddle! Peddle fast! I was on the back of the bike and those black hands
with outstretched fingers were inches from grabbing my back. We succeeded
in out running them. Never again would I be in such an area unless I was in
a large group of friends.

A friend a few years later a friend had his home broken into. His dog, a
german Shepard was choking and the basement window was broken out. The vet
pulled a black finger out of the dogs throat.

While going to Wayne State University, a University located in Detroit was
like a little oasis in the middle of a desert. The expressway was closed
for repair, I took the off ramp and got lost in a black neighborhood.
Several blacks noticed me and started throwing bricks and rocks at my car.
Again fortunate to drive off quickly and found a main road.

Sometimes I took the bus home from the university. The bus system then was
separated into inner city use only and for city to city. I always took the
city to city bus and was almost always white. On two different occasions I
saw a gang of blacks kill a white person as the bus drove by in Detroit.
Each case the white person was alone.

When I was a kid I use to ride my bike through the northern neighborhoods
without problems. One of the cities was increasingly becoming populated by
blacks. When I was in my thirties a black gang started to chase me. Then I
laughed and pedaled faster once again that reminded me of Belle Island.

I moved out of the city fourteen years ago just before the housing collapse
and moved to the safety of the city. I still worked in the city for another
thirteen years. The housing collapse allowed blacks to escape the confines
of Detroit. I could hear gun fire every night. Some coworker were beaten in
front of their own home. When I saw gangs of blanks walking in the middle
of the street, I would drive several blocks out of my way to avoid them.
When going home late from work at midnight I could see gangs with baseball
bats in hand as they walked in front of my work window. They were not going
to play baseball. The local cities removed all basketball nets from the
parks because of blacks shooting whites for the use of the hoops. One rule
was never ever look a black person in the eye. They would immediately say
in a hostile tone "What are you looking at".

I have never ever been robbed or beaten by anyone white or black. I always
kept an eye on my surroundings. I did not and do not like living in fear.

I know not all blacks are violent or stupid. I have met at spoke with many
intelligent blacks at Wayne State University. But in my opinion they are
far from the norm.

================================================== ==========

As I said in my presupposition the black race is a cursed race. For most of
my life I have and still regularly take injections of testosterone stemming
from a pituitary tumor that controls the sex glands. For that I have a
biased belief.

High testosterone can causes one to become very strong very athletic. High
levels of testosterone can cause one to become quick to anger, rage and
violence. High levels of testosterone can increase ones desire for sex and
an increase in promiscuity and breakups of the family unit. High levels of
testosterone can cause one to become more active and more agitated to sit
still, therefore one does not learn as much in a sitting environment of the
class room.

Am I a racist? I voted for Obama, I want a better world for my self and
others including the Black race, I know I can say the phrase "African
American" instead of "Black" but do not. I have nothing against the blacks,
I wish them well.

Is it wrong for me to play it safe by moving to the country?

I have spoken to blacks, some think that "just by being white one is a
racist". Now before anyone calls me a racist and by that definition I might
be. But first, I would like someone first tell me what a racist is?
To pre-judge a person on the basis of skin color, or some other
predominate trait, like the shape of their eyes.

Waiting for the thrashing...

At least your racism is based in ignorance, and not arrogance. What you
experienced in your youth was poverty and ignorance. How would you feel,
if society saw your, and your people's distress, and then looked away?
What would you think, if you looked like Emmett Till? Malcolm X hated
white PEOPLE, until he went to Mecca for the Hajj, where he learned that
racism had no place in Islam.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it’s not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That’s hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don’t get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis

In article , "Snag"
wrote:

Nad R wrote:
"Snag" wrote:
Billy wrote:

You know what you are? I'll leave you to fill in the blank.
--
- Billy

Yup , it sure sounds like I'm a racist . But then you don't live
where I do , you haven't seen what I've seen , and you haven't
experienced what I've experienced . Most of the black people I know
are fine upstanding citizens . Some of them aren't . Most of the
White and Hispanic people I know are also fine upstanding citizens
too , and some aren't . Scum is scum , no matter what color their
skin is . It's just that there's a higher proportion of that
behavior in a certain segment of the population here , and they use
their race to perpetuate the myth of "poor mistreated us" .
That same neighbor said "I hate you because you're white , I hate
ALL white people." the very first time he laid eyes on me . Kinda
set the tone , I'd say . Didn't matter to him that we bought his son
a bicycle (while HE was in prison) because he was the only kid on
the block that didn't have one , he couldn't get past race ... that
same guy assaulted and tried to kill me at a later date , because I
said something he didn't like . Gee , I wonder if I shoulda just
turned the other cheek , so to speak . --
Snag
Nah , I shoulda popped a cap on his ass .

Hmm... I will probably regret writing this in this day and age where
free speech is limited.

In many ways I agree with snag. Living in an area where where whites
and blacks lived for a time next to each other. When I was a kid my
neighborhood was almost all white. One mile away was the infamous
eight mile road that was almost all Black. Those societies was only
one mile apart and yet amazingly dramatically different. The black is
race in my book is a cursed race, a very violent race.

big snip

I have spoken to blacks, some think that "just by being white one is a
racist". Now before anyone calls me a racist and by that definition I
might be. But first, I would like someone first tell me what a racist
is?

Waiting for the thrashing...

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

And I'm probably gonna regret stokin' the fire , but if blacks are about
11% of the population of the USA , why is it that they constitute almost
HALF of the prison population ?

And this wasn't about race ;O)

The depth of your ignorance is unfathomable.

To figure that out, you would need a brain, but you could start with
sentencing differences between powdered (whites), and crack (blacks)
cocaine.

Crack cocaine is the only drug for which a non-violent first-time
offender can receive a mandatory minimum sentence for possessing.
-----

2005 Stats.

Pop. Poor

Blacks 38,700,000.00 (12.3%) 8,243,100 25.8%

White 231,300,000.00 (77.1%) 18,966,600 8.2%

Hispanic 37,500,000.00 (12.%) 4,687,500 12.5%

Total 31,897,200
Poverty by race:
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...ncome_wealth/0
05647.html
----

Crime Stats: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_43.html

Offense charged Total White Black
TOTAL 10,189,691 7,117,040 2,830,778
Percent 100.0 69.8 27.8

#of arrested/# of poor 0.3752=38% .3434=34.4%

Everyone, even the most wretched, deserves to be happy, sometime, even
if it comes in a plastic bag, or a bottle with a screw cap.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it¹s not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That¹s hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don¹t get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis

In article ,
Nad R wrote:

"Snag" wrote:
Nad R wrote:
"Snag" wrote:
Billy wrote:

You know what you are? I'll leave you to fill in the blank.
--
- Billy

Yup , it sure sounds like I'm a racist . But then you don't live
where I do , you haven't seen what I've seen , and you haven't
experienced what I've experienced . Most of the black people I know
are fine upstanding citizens . Some of them aren't . Most of the
White and Hispanic people I know are also fine upstanding citizens
too , and some aren't . Scum is scum , no matter what color their
skin is . It's just that there's a higher proportion of that
behavior in a certain segment of the population here , and they use
their race to perpetuate the myth of "poor mistreated us" .
That same neighbor said "I hate you because you're white , I hate
ALL white people." the very first time he laid eyes on me . Kinda
set the tone , I'd say . Didn't matter to him that we bought his son
a bicycle (while HE was in prison) because he was the only kid on
the block that didn't have one , he couldn't get past race ... that
same guy assaulted and tried to kill me at a later date , because I
said something he didn't like . Gee , I wonder if I shoulda just
turned the other cheek , so to speak . --
Snag
Nah , I shoulda popped a cap on his ass .

Hmm... I will probably regret writing this in this day and age where
free speech is limited.

In many ways I agree with snag. Living in an area where where whites
and blacks lived for a time next to each other. When I was a kid my
neighborhood was almost all white. One mile away was the infamous
eight mile road that was almost all Black. Those societies was only
one mile apart and yet amazingly dramatically different. The black is
race in my book is a cursed race, a very violent race.

big snip

I have spoken to blacks, some think that "just by being white one is a
racist". Now before anyone calls me a racist and by that definition I
might be. But first, I would like someone first tell me what a racist
is?

Waiting for the thrashing...

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

And I'm probably gonna regret stokin' the fire , but if blacks are about
11% of the population of the USA , why is it that they constitute almost
HALF of the prison population ?

I indirectly answered that question. High testosterone levels in people
tend have a greater tendency to violence, the rage, the promiscuity... A
race that probably has a natural higher levels of testosterone for males
and females.

As Saint Molly said, "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging".
Mathematicians aren't known for empathy.

If you want to be cured, go to St. Lucia for a week, and don't stay in a
resort. If you need help with accommodations, let me know.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.

Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/

[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it’s not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That’s hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don’t get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Nad R wrote:

I have spoken to blacks, some think that "just by being white one is a
racist". Now before anyone calls me a racist and by that definition I might
be. But first, I would like someone first tell me what a racist is?

To pre-judge a person on the basis of skin color, or some other
predominate trait, like the shape of their eyes.

Waiting for the thrashing...

At least your racism is based in ignorance, and not arrogance. What you

Please enlighten me.

If I am so ignorant please tell me where my thinking is flawed.
And also please give me your definition of what a racist is?

experienced in your youth was poverty and ignorance. How would you feel,
if society saw your, and your people's distress, and then looked away?
What would you think, if you looked like Emmett Till? Malcolm X hated
white PEOPLE, until he went to Mecca for the Hajj, where he learned that
racism had no place in Islam.

I do not hate other races, I do however wish to be physically alone and
apart from others, including my own race. It is a full time job just to
take care of myself let alone others. I feel the best way to help the
people of this planet is stop having children therefore more resources like
food and shelter per person for everyone. But that is something I cannot
force people to do, they must do it on their own.

Like I said in the past when I take my injections of testosterone, I am
stronger, the mental rage is there, the strong desires for promiscuity. I
am however aware of the timing of my medication and know the reason for my
rage. But the rage only last for a couple of days before settling into the
blood stream. Without the shots I would be so week I could barely walk in a
few months.

The dictionary definition of "racism":
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

First of all people and others are different. Abraham Lincoln said "All
people are created equal". It is not from the bible or another religious
text. Do you really believe that everyone is physically equal. Everyone has
their strengths and weaknesses. I do believe everyone should be treated
with kindness. People are different and the difference is in their DNA and
somewhere I am missing a genetic bolt that prevents me from getting better.

I do not feel I am better than others, I am fat, ugly, lacking ambition,
single never married or went on dates. People often look at me with less
than ideal. I am also on lots of medication just to stay alive. I like to
be alone to stay away from others criticism. I do not feel according to the
dictionary that I am superior over others.

The thing is that hangs up people. I know I am not superior over other
others, but others are most certainly better than I am! I do however want
to survive and live in peace, that is why I ran to the safety of the
country side. I wish no harm to others.

So where is my crime.... Am I guilty because I make no attempt to help
individuals?
I am guilty for running away? Or would you rather I take up guns and
weapons and kill others for at least trying to get others a better life at
the expense of others. Therefore if you did not serve in the military are
you worthless scum.

I do vote, I do vote for those that try and improve the social programs
that helps others. But that is all I am going to do.

It does seem by your writings that you are superior over others yourself.
Are you better than the Jewish race which you seem to be complaining
against by your footers. Is it the pot calling the kettle black!

Is it by calling another a racist a racist themselves, by just calling them
that makes one believe that they are better than others?

Also is it a crime to have the feeling that one race is better than others.
If not a crime why should it matter what people call you?

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

Billy wrote:

As Saint Molly said, "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging".
Mathematicians aren't known for empathy.

Who keeps quoting the statistical data?
Your using lots of metaphors and numbers but little reasoning.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

In article , says...

And I'm probably gonna regret stokin' the fire , but if blacks are about
11% of the population of the USA , why is it that they constitute almost
HALF of the prison population ?

Uh... because they're poor, a minority and black with all the attendant
troubles and disadvantages?

Which segments of your population seem the most logical candidates for
being slotted into your prison warehousing systems and filling the
pockets of the prison-lords?

From what American news I see, it's amost always the *poor* and/or black
******* that gets real time in a hard place and the *rich* ******* that
gets little time served in a softer place, gets off, or time served. --
Which is more or less the same here except our over-represented in the
prison system non-white minority is First Nations/Indian people.

And a wide swath of the white population in the USA shares a genetic
history with black Africa and do very well as white citizens. Which
addresses the issue of genetic bias quite handily though not cultural
bias.

In article ,
Nad R wrote:

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Nad R wrote:

I have spoken to blacks, some think that "just by being white one is a
racist". Now before anyone calls me a racist and by that definition I might
be. But first, I would like someone first tell me what a racist is?

To pre-judge a person on the basis of skin color, or some other
predominate trait, like the shape of their eyes.

Waiting for the thrashing...

At least your racism is based in ignorance, and not arrogance. What you

Please enlighten me.

If I am so ignorant please tell me where my thinking is flawed.
And also please give me your definition of what a racist is?

experienced in your youth was poverty and ignorance. How would you feel,
if society saw your, and your people's distress, and then looked away?
What would you think, if you looked like Emmett Till? Malcolm X hated
white PEOPLE, until he went to Mecca for the Hajj, where he learned that
racism had no place in Islam.

I do not hate other races, I do however wish to be physically alone and
apart from others, including my own race. It is a full time job just to
take care of myself let alone others. I feel the best way to help the
people of this planet is stop having children therefore more resources like
food and shelter per person for everyone. But that is something I cannot
force people to do, they must do it on their own.

Like I said in the past when I take my injections of testosterone, I am
stronger, the mental rage is there, the strong desires for promiscuity. I
am however aware of the timing of my medication and know the reason for my
rage. But the rage only last for a couple of days before settling into the
blood stream. Without the shots I would be so week I could barely walk in a
few months.

The dictionary definition of "racism":
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

First of all people and others are different. Abraham Lincoln said "All
people are created equal". It is not from the bible or another religious
text. Do you really believe that everyone is physically equal. Everyone has
their strengths and weaknesses. I do believe everyone should be treated
with kindness. People are different and the difference is in their DNA and
somewhere I am missing a genetic bolt that prevents me from getting better.

I do not feel I am better than others, I am fat, ugly, lacking ambition,
single never married or went on dates. People often look at me with less
than ideal. I am also on lots of medication just to stay alive. I like to
be alone to stay away from others criticism. I do not feel according to the
dictionary that I am superior over others.

The thing is that hangs up people. I know I am not superior over other
others, but others are most certainly better than I am! I do however want
to survive and live in peace, that is why I ran to the safety of the
country side. I wish no harm to others.

So where is my crime.... Am I guilty because I make no attempt to help
individuals?
I am guilty for running away? Or would you rather I take up guns and
weapons and kill others for at least trying to get others a better life at
the expense of others. Therefore if you did not serve in the military are
you worthless scum.

I do vote, I do vote for those that try and improve the social programs
that helps others. But that is all I am going to do.

It does seem by your writings that you are superior over others yourself.
Are you better than the Jewish race which you seem to be complaining
against by your footers. Is it the pot calling the kettle black!

Is it by calling another a racist a racist themselves, by just calling them
that makes one believe that they are better than others?

Also is it a crime to have the feeling that one race is better than others.
If not a crime why should it matter what people call you?

I deal with the person in front of me. I don't generalize them by the
color of their skin, their religion, or their sex.

If you want to continue this, we should go to another newsgroup. Your
choice.

--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_vN0--mHug

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Nad R wrote:

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Nad R wrote:

I have spoken to blacks, some think that "just by being white one is a
racist". Now before anyone calls me a racist and by that definition I
might
be. But first, I would like someone first tell me what a racist is?

To pre-judge a person on the basis of skin color, or some other
predominate trait, like the shape of their eyes.

Waiting for the thrashing...

At least your racism is based in ignorance, and not arrogance. What you

Please enlighten me.

If I am so ignorant please tell me where my thinking is flawed.
And also please give me your definition of what a racist is?

experienced in your youth was poverty and ignorance. How would you
feel,
if society saw your, and your people's distress, and then looked away?
What would you think, if you looked like Emmett Till? Malcolm X hated
white PEOPLE, until he went to Mecca for the Hajj, where he learned
that
racism had no place in Islam.

I do not hate other races, I do however wish to be physically alone and
apart from others, including my own race. It is a full time job just to
take care of myself let alone others. I feel the best way to help the
people of this planet is stop having children therefore more resources
like
food and shelter per person for everyone. But that is something I cannot
force people to do, they must do it on their own.

Like I said in the past when I take my injections of testosterone, I am
stronger, the mental rage is there, the strong desires for promiscuity. I
am however aware of the timing of my medication and know the reason for
my
rage. But the rage only last for a couple of days before settling into
the
blood stream. Without the shots I would be so week I could barely walk in
a
few months.

The dictionary definition of "racism":
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

First of all people and others are different. Abraham Lincoln said "All
people are created equal". It is not from the bible or another religious
text. Do you really believe that everyone is physically equal. Everyone
has
their strengths and weaknesses. I do believe everyone should be treated
with kindness. People are different and the difference is in their DNA
and
somewhere I am missing a genetic bolt that prevents me from getting
better.

I do not feel I am better than others, I am fat, ugly, lacking ambition,
single never married or went on dates. People often look at me with less
than ideal. I am also on lots of medication just to stay alive. I like to
be alone to stay away from others criticism. I do not feel according to
the
dictionary that I am superior over others.

The thing is that hangs up people. I know I am not superior over other
others, but others are most certainly better than I am! I do however
want
to survive and live in peace, that is why I ran to the safety of the
country side. I wish no harm to others.

So where is my crime.... Am I guilty because I make no attempt to help
individuals?
I am guilty for running away? Or would you rather I take up guns and
weapons and kill others for at least trying to get others a better life
at
the expense of others. Therefore if you did not serve in the military are
you worthless scum.

I do vote, I do vote for those that try and improve the social programs
that helps others. But that is all I am going to do.

It does seem by your writings that you are superior over others yourself.
Are you better than the Jewish race which you seem to be complaining
against by your footers. Is it the pot calling the kettle black!

Is it by calling another a racist a racist themselves, by just calling
them
that makes one believe that they are better than others?

Also is it a crime to have the feeling that one race is better than
others.
If not a crime why should it matter what people call you?

I deal with the person in front of me. I don't generalize them by the
color of their skin, their religion, or their sex.

If you want to continue this, we should go to another newsgroup.

That would be nice, the only thing growing here is bad will.



--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_vN0--mHug