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Green Tomatoes????
"Mike Stevenson" wrote:
Hehe don't feel too bad buddy my Health Kicks didn't even survive. I got the 4th of July's in the ground around May 8th, got my first ripe fruit from them about 2 weeks ago. My roommate has started calling them the August 1st tomatoes to make fun of me hehe. the one was such a tease! The flavor was not that strong. I'm going to let the others sit on the vine an extra day or two after turning red. I should have more by tomorrow, but they're smaller than I expected. I was thinking they were the 2" vine-cluster tomatoes I often see at grocers. However the largest in a cluster is about 1 1/2" round(same as the one I ate). It was more like a x-large cherry. More snackable than sliceable. Are your 4ths about 1 1/2" diameter? My Health Kicks are whitish green. I keep waiting for that bush to stop growing. Since it is determinate I'm expecting a lot of tomatoes at once. A friend suggested a tomato-eating party. Most still need to put on some size in my mind. My neighbor has some grapes that are beginning to turn, but everything else is green or no fruit. He's got about 9 different varieties. They haven't done well this year. The grape tomato vine only has about 8 on it total. I think his ground has too much clay and sand. Poke a stick in it and you leave a perfect mold of the stick behind. No crumbling, no looseness. I am sure this has to do with some luck, but mostly weather. Something rather odd is that one of my Big Mama tomatoes is almost ripe, but ONLY one! The rest are still very much green and show no sign of ripening. One of the Brandy Boy's is just starting to ripen. I actually got my first ripe fruit from the Sugar Snack cherries (I keep calling them Sweet Treats), and now the plant is producing at least a few fruit each day, the 4th of July producing 1 or 2 ripes every other day. The Burpee Burger is just now showing signs of ripening, and still only one fruit... Do you know if Burpee Burger is determinate or indeterminate? I bought it as a plant and the website doesn't say. I've got eight all green. The lower leaves were decimated by some problems but it is growing again. I treating it as a determinate. "DigitalVinyl" wrote in message .. . Pat Meadows wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 08:39:42 -0400, Steve Calvin wrote: Interesting Pat, I've never heard that before but it explains that last few years of "late" tomatoes. I'd sort of figured (informally) that the tomatoes don't like the cool nights.... anyway, this rather explains it, doesn't it? I wonder if anyone in the NG who experienced the cold wet spring has ripe tomatoes. All my tomatoes aren't ripe yet...I thought I messed up, too much nitrogen or such. My "4th of July" (Burpee, 49 days) and "Healthy Kick Plum" (Burpee,75 days) are in ground 70! days. All still needs to grow some and are green or whitish green. My "Burpee Burger" (72) and "Big Mama" (80) are also behind. I don't expect either to harvest for ..im guessing .. 2-4 weeks. How long do tomatoes take to ripen, once it starts to change color? (generally) You know: this year, I started my tomatoes from seed. I transplanted the first two plants (Early Girls) into the garden in WalloWaters on May 8. MAY 8! They were LARGE plants by then, I'd transplanted them several times and they were about 18" tall, and stocky. Here it is July 28 and no ripe tomatoes! Early Girl is supposed to ripen in 59 days after transplanting (according to Burpee's catalog). Mine were transplanted to the garden about 80 days ago... and they were much larger than most transplants when I set them out. No ripe tomatoes yet. It will be interesting to see if the hoophouse improves matters. Pat DiGiTAL ViNYL (no email) Zone 6b/7, Westchester Co, NY, 1 mile off L.I.Sound 1st Year Gardener DiGiTAL ViNYL (no email) Zone 6b/7, Westchester Co, NY, 1 mile off L.I.Sound 1st Year Gardener |
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In article , Pat Meadows
wrote: [...] I don't know if tomatoes are day-length sensitive or not: if they are, I can supplement the natural lights with a fluorescent light or two. If anyone *does* know whether or not tomatoes are day-length sensitive, would you please post it? Thanks. Pat They'll just get real leggy if they have to reach for light. My cousin grows 'maters in her south facing window all winter long up here in Alaska. (And peppers.) We get down to about 7 hours of real daylight at winter solstice (Dec. 21) at this latitude, so tomatoes must not be too picky about day-length. I know Bernie doesn't use any grow lights, but her south facing window is big and doesn't have any obstructions (trees/shrubs) shading it. She grows indeterminates, that threaten to take her living room over by spring. (Winter lasts from Halloween to May Day here.) Jan |
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Don't know where you are, but here in Southern California, with the
"June Gloom" we had this year, is my tomato scorecard: Three Early Girls plants, which normally have many ripe fruits by June: Two (small) ripe tomatoes by last week (Aug 4), plus maybe three more small in a couple of weeks. Lots of Romas (normal crop). Three yellow tomato plants (don't have the name): maybe 10 ripe tomatoes so far, maybe 10 more before the end of the season. (Delicious, by the way) Maybe two dozen cherry tomatoes from 6 plants (a few more to come). It's a meager year. But I thank God for whatever harvest we got. After all, I couldn't have done it myself... Jim Thomas DigitalVinyl wrote: Pat Meadows wrote: I wonder if anyone in the NG who experienced the cold wet spring has ripe tomatoes. All my tomatoes aren't ripe yet...I thought I messed up, too much nitrogen or such. My "4th of July" (Burpee, 49 days) and "Healthy Kick Plum" (Burpee,75 days) are in ground 70! days. All still needs to grow some and are green or whitish green. My "Burpee Burger" (72) and "Big Mama" (80) are also behind. I don't expect either to harvest for ..im guessing .. 2-4 weeks. How long do tomatoes take to ripen, once it starts to change color? (generally) |
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Don't know where you are, but here in Southern California, with the
"June Gloom" we had this year, is my tomato scorecard: Three Early Girls plants, which normally have many ripe fruits by June: Two (small) ripe tomatoes by last week (Aug 4), plus maybe three more small in a couple of weeks. Lots of Romas (normal crop). Three yellow tomato plants (don't have the name): maybe 10 ripe tomatoes so far, maybe 10 more before the end of the season. (Delicious, by the way) Maybe two dozen cherry tomatoes from 6 plants (a few more to come). It's a meager year. But I thank God for whatever harvest we got. After all, I couldn't have done it myself... Jim Thomas DigitalVinyl wrote: Pat Meadows wrote: I wonder if anyone in the NG who experienced the cold wet spring has ripe tomatoes. All my tomatoes aren't ripe yet...I thought I messed up, too much nitrogen or such. My "4th of July" (Burpee, 49 days) and "Healthy Kick Plum" (Burpee,75 days) are in ground 70! days. All still needs to grow some and are green or whitish green. My "Burpee Burger" (72) and "Big Mama" (80) are also behind. I don't expect either to harvest for ..im guessing .. 2-4 weeks. How long do tomatoes take to ripen, once it starts to change color? (generally) |
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Don't know where you are, but here in Southern California, with the
"June Gloom" we had this year, is my tomato scorecard: Three Early Girls plants, which normally have many ripe fruits by June: Two (small) ripe tomatoes by last week (Aug 4), plus maybe three more small in a couple of weeks. Lots of Romas (normal crop). Three yellow tomato plants (don't have the name): maybe 10 ripe tomatoes so far, maybe 10 more before the end of the season. (Delicious, by the way) Maybe two dozen cherry tomatoes from 6 plants (a few more to come). It's a meager year. But I thank God for whatever harvest we got. After all, I couldn't have done it myself... Jim Thomas DigitalVinyl wrote: Pat Meadows wrote: I wonder if anyone in the NG who experienced the cold wet spring has ripe tomatoes. All my tomatoes aren't ripe yet...I thought I messed up, too much nitrogen or such. My "4th of July" (Burpee, 49 days) and "Healthy Kick Plum" (Burpee,75 days) are in ground 70! days. All still needs to grow some and are green or whitish green. My "Burpee Burger" (72) and "Big Mama" (80) are also behind. I don't expect either to harvest for ..im guessing .. 2-4 weeks. How long do tomatoes take to ripen, once it starts to change color? (generally) |
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Up here in Seattle my tomato plants (2) are doing
surprisingly well: the better boy had 4 ripe ones last week with a dozen more expected within a week or so; the early girl in a portable container had one, and a few more are expected in a couple of week. "Jim Thomas" wrote in message ... Don't know where you are, but here in Southern California, with the "June Gloom" we had this year, is my tomato scorecard: Three Early Girls plants, which normally have many ripe fruits by June: Two (small) ripe tomatoes by last week (Aug 4), plus maybe three more small in a couple of weeks. Lots of Romas (normal crop). Three yellow tomato plants (don't have the name): maybe 10 ripe tomatoes so far, maybe 10 more before the end of the season. (Delicious, by the way) Maybe two dozen cherry tomatoes from 6 plants (a few more to come). It's a meager year. But I thank God for whatever harvest we got. After all, I couldn't have done it myself... Jim Thomas |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:21:23 -0400, Pat Meadows
wrote: We have the most annoying windows in this house - quite new ones, installed just before we bought the house. The window-sills are only about 4" wide AND there's a ridge down the middle of them, God knows why. NOTHING will go on them. Nothing. I do have the big bay window ledge, which is about 8' x 2', but I cannot use any other window sills. Sills sloping from the middle, or a ridge poking up in the middle (weird in either case)? Could you shim them somehow? Even double-faced tape and laths might work. What about an arrangement like those cat platforms that cantilever from a windowsill? I have one plant shelf that hangs from the middle of a double-hung (never opened in living memory) window. It should also be possible to suspend shelves from the top of a window frame, if you don't mind screwing in a couple of I-bolts. |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:46:28 GMT, Frogleg
wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:21:23 -0400, Pat Meadows wrote: We have the most annoying windows in this house - quite new ones, installed just before we bought the house. The window-sills are only about 4" wide AND there's a ridge down the middle of them, God knows why. NOTHING will go on them. Nothing. I do have the big bay window ledge, which is about 8' x 2', but I cannot use any other window sills. Sills sloping from the middle, or a ridge poking up in the middle (weird in either case)? A ridge poking up from the middle. A sticking-up ridge along the length of the window sill, in the middle of the width of the sill. It's not wood: these windows are made of some sort of composite or plastic, I don't know what. They're 'integral storm windows' - two layers of glass. That part is good. And they tip in for cleaning all surfaces, that part is also good. Could you shim them somehow? Even double-faced tape and laths might work. What about an arrangement like those cat platforms that cantilever from a windowsill? I have one plant shelf that hangs from the middle of a double-hung (never opened in living memory) window. It should also be possible to suspend shelves from the top of a window frame, if you don't mind screwing in a couple of I-bolts. The cat-shelf idea would work. I forgot, though - when I wrote my prior post - that we also have a cat. This makes plants-on-a-cat-shelf impractical. The [shelves going across the upper part of the window] aren't practical either, darn it, because we cover the insides of most windows with clear plastic in winter (to save on heating costs). Hanging plants would work well, though, I'll probably do that this winter. Pat -- "Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry |
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In article , Pat Meadows
wrote: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:17:56 -0800, (Jan Flora) wrote: I'll be starting my indoor winter tomatoes tonight, along with stuff that'll go out in the greenhouse when the 'maters are done out there. For the kitchen window, I'm starting: Siberia tomato - 2-1/2' tall plant Gold Nugget tomato - compact determinate Oregon Spring - compact determinate Northern Lights - same, same Grandpa's something or other Pepper - a cute plant w/semi-hot peppers Sounds good. We have the most annoying windows in this house - quite new ones, installed just before we bought the house. The window-sills are only about 4" wide AND there's a ridge down the middle of them, God knows why. NOTHING will go on them. Nothing. Can you lay something on the windowsills to shim them up to level, so pots can sit on them? I'm thinking of blueboard (insulation) just because it's easy to cut. How high is the ridge in the middle of the sills? (What a PITA, btw!!) Could you get something and cut a kerf down the middle of it, so it'll straddle that ridge and be a level surface? My windowsills are all 8" wide, because we still live in the basement (sore subject -- the upstairs two floors are dried-in, but unfinished), and our basement walls are cinderblock. Hence, wide windowsills. It's like living in a bunker in the winter, but it's warm... [...] We still have to build the hoophouse. You're going to go nuts when you get that built. Leave yourself room for a comfy chair and a place to put a cup of coffee. And a radio, so you can listen to NPR while you fuss with your plants : ) Oh, and use your *verticle* space. I want to scream when I see people only using the bottom 3' of greenhouse space, and not growing vining varieties, hanging plants or anything. =:-O Pat |
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In article , Pat Meadows wrote:
We have the most annoying windows in this house - quite new ones, installed just before we bought the house. The window-sills are only about 4" wide AND there's a ridge down the middle of them, God knows why. NOTHING will go on them. Nothing. I do have the big bay window ledge, which is about 8' x 2', but I cannot use any other window sills. In my previous house, I screwed in those adjustable-shelf thingies on both sides of several windows -- the metal things with little slots all the way up. You then hang a metal bracket in the slots, match it up on the other side, and put a board across the brackets. I put a lip around each of the boards by nailing on trim strip, mitred at the corners, but it's not absolutely necessary. I got 4 shelves marching up each of 3 windows, and put plants, glassware, and cats in them. Well, the cats put themselves... -- Marie Martinek Northwestern University, Evanston, IL. USA |
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