Hi everyone,

So far the problem hasn't gone to far, but any far can be too far. One
of my tomatoes has begun curling its leaves, mostly on one side of the
plant, and only older leaves (so far.) It was one we bought at the
store. On this plant in particular I have noticed one other oddity,
some of the new branch growth is curled and twisted before it
straightens. I'm not sure, but it seems like those branches curve down
an awful lot

Here's a pic of the affected areas of the plant:
http://img76.photobucket.com/albums/..._05_bonnie.bmp

leaf close-up, for those who might like it even closer . . .
http://img76.photobucket.com/albums/...eleafclose.bmp

affected plant (bonnie) and the less affected husky cherry red beside
it (note the leaves near the bottom of the pic that look lighter near
the tips, they are even starting to curl, but not as bad. It's even on
the same side of the plant as the first.)
http://img76.photobucket.com/albums/...andhusky02.jpg

I'm thinking it's possible it may be nematodes, but I'm not sure. Yet
another tomato had the spotted thing going on, but it vanished when I
put some fertilizer on, something like 9-12-12, I think. The only
other plants nearby are wild ones (notably blackberries, some other
vine plants, grasses, trees, thistle . . . spotted spurge. ick.)

The plants have had minor deer damage. Don't get me started on some of
my other tomatoes, however.

^^ Love to hear your thoughts.

--Liashi

On 5 Jul 2004 11:17:33 -0700, (Liashi) wrote:

Hi everyone,

So far the problem hasn't gone to far, but any far can be too far. One
of my tomatoes has begun curling its leaves, mostly on one side of the
plant, and only older leaves (so far.) It was one we bought at the
store. On this plant in particular I have noticed one other oddity,
some of the new branch growth is curled and twisted before it
straightens. I'm not sure, but it seems like those branches curve down
an awful lot

I couldn't get any of your links to work. Are the leaves curling
up or down?

Penelope


--
"Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart."
"ElissaAnn"

Liashi said:

Hi everyone,

So far the problem hasn't gone to far, but any far can be too far. One
of my tomatoes has begun curling its leaves, mostly on one side of the
plant, and only older leaves (so far.) It was one we bought at the
store. On this plant in particular I have noticed one other oddity,
some of the new branch growth is curled and twisted before it
straightens. I'm not sure, but it seems like those branches curve down
an awful lot.

The upward rolling of lower leaves is not a disease. It is a genetic trait (wilty
gene) that many varieties express when under stress -- where stress may
be nothing more than high temperatures or a heavy fruit load.

My new growth is often somewhat curled but the curled leaves straighten out
as they expand.

Yellow spots may be a fungal disease. A few spots are no big worry. Tomatoes
benefit from foliar sprays of seaweed. (I like Maxicrop brand.) Copper fungicide
can be added as a preventative for foliar diseases.

Nematodes would likely cause stunting and wilting (leaf roll is not wilting).


--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)

I couldn't get any of your links to work. Are the leaves curling
up or down?

Penelope

They are curling up. Let me see about these pictures . . . try again
later if they don't work, they were fine for me . . .

You should put the pictures in a .jpg or .gif format when saving
them to the web. .bmp files are almost always 2x to 10x bigger
than the corresponding .jpg's or .gif's.

The Microsoft paint.exe or mspaint.exe will be able to save the
files in the different formats. Note: .gif results in a loss of color
because .gif formats are always a 256 color palette of colors,
but .gif formats sometimes result in better pictures than .jpg's
and sometimes can be smaller than the corresponding .jpg
files. You'll just have to save the files in a case by case fashion
and look at the resulting filesizes.

I got a timeout on the second picture link which could be that
the file is just so big and your webhosting server only offers
a limited bandwidth. The first one downloaded just fine, but
the second one is timing out.

Hope that helps in explaining computers and images.

--
Jim
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"Liashi" wrote:

I couldn't get any of your links to work. Are the leaves curling
up or down?

Penelope

They are curling up. Let me see about these pictures . . . try again
later if they don't work, they were fine for me . . .

Okay, thanks all for your input. Now I can somewhat relax. ^^ Was
thinking about putting on compost tea. Good? Does it matter?

I posted the .bmp files without thinking. I dislike .jpg immensly.
Give me a large .bmp anyday over a small crummy .jpg. The blurriness
is so hard to get out!!!

The .bmp should be okay because my web hosting service says it will
"automatically resize" if they're too large. I very careful to ensure
that they weren't any bigger than the supposed alotted "250k".

You forget these kind of things when you are on highspeed net . . . I
still remember the days when AOL took five minutes to load and the
connection was 14k. (Haha, not THAT bad some of you real day one
people are saying. ^_^ ) Thanks for the reminder. Sorry if the stuff
took a while for those of you on dial-up.

the leaf curl is often a sign of rapid temperature change and is often harmless.
the yellow spots sound a bit like a magnessium deficiency, add a T`spoon of Epsom salts to a litre of water the next time you water it, if it isn`t Mag defficiency, it won`t hurt the plant, but if it is, you`ll find the new leaves won`t have this problem


the only reason I know this is because my greenhouse toms do exactly the same thing, and I was told that the tom feed will "lock up" the magnessium and so it`ll need extra

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:57:27 -0500,
(Pat Kiewicz) wrote:



The upward rolling of lower leaves is not a disease.

Never had a spit! thrip problem, huh?

Doesn't mean you should steer people wrong. Leaves that
curl up lengthwise, like a boat, are usually a sign of spit!
thrip damage.


My new growth is often somewhat curled but the curled leaves straighten out
as they expand.

Yellow spots may be a fungal disease.

Or Tomato Spotted Wilt Virus.

I am, unfortunately, becoming an expert on the subject.


Penelope


--
"Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart."
"ElissaAnn"

Penelope Periwinkle said:

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:57:27 -0500,
(Pat Kiewicz) wrote:

The upward rolling of lower leaves is not a disease.

Never had a spit! thrip problem, huh?

Doesn't mean you should steer people wrong. Leaves that
curl up lengthwise, like a boat, are usually a sign of spit!
thrip damage.

No, I haven't had thrips. But the information I have in hand says
the the "[g]rowing tips are usually severely effected." My guess
is that most of the people who have tomatoes with lower leaves
rolling up (and don't also complain about distorted tops) merely
have tomatoes expressing the 'wilty' gene. Thrips

My sympathy on the thrips and spotted wilt. They are a big problem
in much warmer climates than mine.

(I have onion thrips myself -- at their worst when the weather has been
very dry.)
--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)

Okay, thanks all for your input. Now I can somewhat relax. ^^ Was
thinking about putting on compost tea. Good? Does it matter?

I posted the .bmp files without thinking. I dislike .jpg immensly.
Give me a large .bmp anyday over a small crummy .jpg. The blurriness
is so hard to get out!!!

The .bmp should be okay because my web hosting service says it will
"automatically resize" if they're too large. I very careful to ensure
that they weren't any bigger than the supposed alotted "250k".

You forget these kind of things when you are on highspeed net . . . I
still remember the days when AOL took five minutes to load and the
connection was 14k. (Haha, not THAT bad some of you real day one
people are saying. ^_^ ) Thanks for the reminder. Sorry if the stuff
took a while for those of you on dial-up.

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:57:27 -0500,
(Pat Kiewicz) wrote:



The upward rolling of lower leaves is not a disease.

Never had a spit! thrip problem, huh?

Doesn't mean you should steer people wrong. Leaves that
curl up lengthwise, like a boat, are usually a sign of spit!
thrip damage.


My new growth is often somewhat curled but the curled leaves straighten out
as they expand.

Yellow spots may be a fungal disease.

Or Tomato Spotted Wilt Virus.

I am, unfortunately, becoming an expert on the subject.


Penelope


--
"Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart."
"ElissaAnn"

Penelope Periwinkle said:

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:57:27 -0500,
(Pat Kiewicz) wrote:

The upward rolling of lower leaves is not a disease.

Never had a spit! thrip problem, huh?

Doesn't mean you should steer people wrong. Leaves that
curl up lengthwise, like a boat, are usually a sign of spit!
thrip damage.

No, I haven't had thrips. But the information I have in hand says
the the "[g]rowing tips are usually severely effected." My guess
is that most of the people who have tomatoes with lower leaves
rolling up (and don't also complain about distorted tops) merely
have tomatoes expressing the 'wilty' gene. Thrips

My sympathy on the thrips and spotted wilt. They are a big problem
in much warmer climates than mine.

(I have onion thrips myself -- at their worst when the weather has been
very dry.)
--
Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast)

Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)