Charlie wrote:

Enjoy your garden and your illusions while you can, young one.

The climate change and the political lies and deceptions which you
support will be your, and all of our undoing. Keep on living your life
with your illusions dictating your actions, you'll never know that you
are sitting in you own excrement while the world melts down around you.

Face your repressed fears. The shock of where you may find yourself in
the not too distant future may not then be so severe.

Charlie

If I wanted your opinion, I would have asked for it. Meanwhile, you and your
buddy Rose can take your comments over to rec.nazis.

Sherwin

Charlie wrote:

Sherwin, there are many paths to the mountaintop, and several
shortcuts. You cannot reach the top if you will not even stop feeding
on the scraps that the master throws to the floor for the dogs.

You need to begin the journey and shed your preconceived notions about
the world. You have been fed a diet of misconceptions and lies and
enjoyed every scrap of it.

You are a fool if you think Billy is saying what you claim he is
saying. Hook, line and sinker, young one......you swallowed it all.

Damn Billy, this pup *has* swallowed it all, as did everyone else who
shied away from this thread, and the one who first tried to cry
foul.......it's still working well, isn't it? There was no foul, there
was only honesty.....and you know how that plays.

(Yeah, I will...it just takes bit and I am bored and onobserved)

Charlie

If this is some kind of game your are playing, I don't buy it. This is
supposed to be a gardening site, not a place to taunt people with
your idiotic comments.

Sherwin

Billy Rose wrote:Billy

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

More Arab bullshit propaganda. You just don't know when to stop. You
are worse than the trolls, who pester us from time to time. Maybe you are
just a troll?

Sherwin

Charlie wrote:


Hey sherwin,

Is this group open to anyone other than u$ians, in particular those of
a progressive bent? Are Palestinian gardeners encouraged to
participate? What about any other people of Arab heritage?

Lebanese? Are they encouraged to participate here? WIll you help them
with their questions?

What about Iraqi farmers and gardeners who need help, those who have
been forced to swallow the bitter pill of ADM/Monsanto crop methods?

You are an embarrassment to Americans. It's no wonder that the most of
the world has lost respect to the U$.

You are wrong and pc by half, Billy. I won't type here what this
youngster represents.

I am not a youngster.



Charlie

Why don't you volunteer to go to the Middle East and help these people, instead
of spouting your propaganda bullshit on this gardening site. The only one who
should be embarrased is you, who is annoying the rest of us with your tirade.

Sherwin

Charlie wrote:




http://countercurrents.org/truskoff040707.htm

Educate yourself. Get your head out of your *** and read about what is
being done to our fellow human beings. You too, Persephone, though I
am sure you are in a snit and ignoring my posts. Probably most of you
are, so WTF do I care about what i write? I still must do it.

I'll bet alot of those repressed people in the mideast wish they had
the freedon to grow, or even discuss growing, a garden.

Perhaps you should just spend more time with your turnips, watching
them grow, Sherwin.

Countercurrents is not *your* definition of media.

Have a happy free independence day........some of us don't take off and
give up the fight, or ignore it. There is a battle raging, you know,
sherwin?

Charlie

You seem to be able to dig up every kook in sight. Sure there are people
not happy with Israel's policies, just like there are people who hate the
USA. What does that prove? I can spend more time with my garden when
I don't have to answer your stupid comments. Just move them off of rec.gardens.

Sherwin

In article ,
sherwindu wrote:

Billy Rose wrote:Billy

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

More Arab bullshit propaganda. You just don't know when to stop. You
are worse than the trolls, who pester us from time to time. Maybe you are
just a troll?

Sherwin

Sorry if I reminded you of your humanity.
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

In article ,
sherwindu wrote:


http://imeu.net/news/article002597.shtml
--
Billy
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

Well, I see you have made a real study of this finding every wacko web site
you
can
to foster your case. I suggest you take your bullshit and move it out of
rec.gardening.

Sherwin

Mamzer, sie ruhig. Your going to scare the horses. This should give you
sweet dreams.

Baruch Goldstein
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...5/newsid_41670
00/4167929.stm

Jewish settlers
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51a/102.html

Are you one of those Russian Zionists thugs, Sherwin? Then you must love
Avigdor Lieberman (born on 5 June 1958 in Kishinev, Moldavian SSR,
Soviet Union) is an Israeli politician and leader of the Yisrael Beytenu
party. He has served as the Minister of Strategic Affairs and as a
Deputy Prime Minister of Israel since November 2006.

In 2003, Ha'aretz reported that Lieberman called for thousands of
Palestinian prisoners held by Israel to be drowned in the Dead Sea and
offered to provide the buses to take them there (This includes the women
and children. God, he is really butch, isn't he?).

In May 2004, he said that 90 percent of Israel's one million Arabs would
"have to find a new Arab entity" in which to live beyond Israel's
borders. "They have no place here. They can take their bundles and get
lost," he said.

Remember, these are the folks who have lived in Palestine since before
dirt and the UN General Assembly thinks that they have the right of
return but fascist Israel is supported by corporate fascist America.

By the way, what right does Israel have to decide anything? I'm older
than they are.

How are those tomato suppositories working out?
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

Sorry if I reminded you of your humanity.

And that is really the nub of it. Bad things happen when you deny a
person their humanity. If you can call someone vermin, hit them in the
head, and take their house, then someone will find a way to call you
vermine, hit you in the head and take your home.

Yeah, I'm guilty of it to. Vituperation solve nothing. If it could, all
my slugs would be gone. Either there has to be room in the boat for
everyone or no one.
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

Sorry if I reminded you of your humanity.

And that is really the nub of it. Bad things happen when you deny a
person their humanity. If you can call someone vermin, hit them in the
head, and take their house, then someone will find a way to call you
vermine, hit you in the head and take your home.

Yeah, I'm guilty of it to. Vituperation solve nothing. If it could, all
my slugs would be gone. Either there has to be room in the boat for
everyone or no one.

Stolen Land 5:24 Bruce Cockburn Waiting For A Miracle (Singles
1970-1987) (Disc 2) Rock 5 5/26/07 8:50 AM

What can be done? I suggest not telling our children how to think. I
also think spending time together is paramount. Hoping my sons show up
this weekend and perhaps a bit of weeding. Dream On.

Bill who has five reasonable sane kids but happens to be crazy and will
now go clean his gutters in the warm rain.

PS Writing in the third person maybe sick )

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In article
,
William Wagner wrote:

Bill who has five reasonable sane kids but happens to be crazy and will
now go clean his gutters in the warm rain.
Five? I thought be fruitful and multiply was just a suggestion not a
commandment. As far as being crazy, that sounds like a completely
rational reaction to what is being presented to us as reality. Your
reflexes are fine.

PS Writing in the third person maybe sick )
This is easy, if your sick. Hang your cap on a bed post and drink Irish
whiskey ad libitum until you see 2 caps. Continue pro re nata until you
feel better.

Actually, if there is an Irish Pub near by (within crawling distance)
you could hasten yourself there, salute the Queen, in the Republic's own
inimitable fashion, and render your self progressively bellicose,
lachrymose, and comatose.

Lastly, for spiritual fodder, remember the words of Molly the Great:

"It's a little-known fact that defending civil liberties can also be a
whale of a lot of fun, requiring only beer, imagination and a mild
disrespect for authority to become a genuinely entertaining and even
riotously funny pastime. One is not required to like the disgusting
specimens whose rights are being violated. In fact, one is, thanks to
the First Amendment, perfectly free to denounce them with splendid
invective".

First they came for others ...
Sun, Aug. 11, 2002
- Molly Ivins
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

On Jul 1, 1:12 pm, Billy Rose wrote:

A tomato (Israel's Lyc-O-Mato) was the entry point for this thread.
Since the original post, I have give two reasons for shunning this
particular tomato (1) political (I don't support fascists)

Well, just to pick on this point; that's the same kind of broadbrush
tarring of some group of people for the actions of a few that has kept
mankind up to its collective neck in blood for ten thousand years. Do
you have any reason to believe that the individuals who would profit
from your buying this tomato are in any way responsible for the plight
of the average Palestinian? How do you know the tomato was not in fact
developed and marketed by Israelis of Arabic descent? In fact, you
have no knowledge of the individuals associated with this tomato, but
since they can be denoted as "Israeli", that's enough to render them
subject to collective punishment. Wouldn't you question the strategy
of boycotting Microsoft products, solely on the grounds of the Iraqi
War?

For a nonhypothetical example, take the recent decision by British
academics to boycott Israeli university academics. Just who do they
think is the liberal wing of Israeli society? Hebrew University, for
example, extends college courses and degrees to Palestinian prisoners
in Israeli prisons. It's particularly ironic, since Israeli
universities are some of the few places on earth where a Palestinian
woman can not only receive a university degree, but can do so while
wearing a niqab (veil) if she wishes; while at the same time in
Britain:
" A lawyer dressed in a niqab was told by an immigration judge that
she could not represent a client because, he said, he could not hear
her. A teacher wearing a niqab was dismissed from her school. A
student who was barred from wearing a niqab took her case to the
courts, and lost. In reaction, the British educational authorities are
proposing a ban on the niqab in schools altogether."
Muslims' Veils Test Limits of Britain's Tolerance, New York Times,
June 22, 2007
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/22/wo...pe/22veil.html

In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

First they came for others ...
Sun, Aug. 11, 2002
- Molly Ivins

Gist.


the gist of her essay is an indictment of the religious right essence,


substance, central theme, heart of the matter, nub, kernel, marrow,
meat, burden, crux; thrust, drift, sense, meaning, significance, import;
i nformal nitty-gritty.

Yet a fundamental reason to think of others as ourselves.

Bill who thinks of this as common courtesy.

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In article . com,
z wrote:

On Jul 1, 1:12 pm, Billy Rose wrote:

A tomato (Israel's Lyc-O-Mato) was the entry point for this thread.
Since the original post, I have give two reasons for shunning this
particular tomato (1) political (I don't support fascists)

Well, just to pick on this point; that's the same kind of broadbrush
tarring of some group of people for the actions of a few that has kept
mankind up to its collective neck in blood for ten thousand years. Do
you have any reason to believe that the individuals who would profit
from your buying this tomato are in any way responsible for the plight
of the average Palestinian? How do you know the tomato was not in fact
developed and marketed by Israelis of Arabic descent? In fact, you
have no knowledge of the individuals associated with this tomato, but
since they can be denoted as "Israeli", that's enough to render them
subject to collective punishment. Wouldn't you question the strategy
of boycotting Microsoft products, solely on the grounds of the Iraqi
War?

For a nonhypothetical example, take the recent decision by British
academics to boycott Israeli university academics. Just who do they
think is the liberal wing of Israeli society? Hebrew University, for
example, extends college courses and degrees to Palestinian prisoners
in Israeli prisons. It's particularly ironic, since Israeli
universities are some of the few places on earth where a Palestinian
woman can not only receive a university degree, but can do so while
wearing a niqab (veil) if she wishes; while at the same time in
Britain:
" A lawyer dressed in a niqab was told by an immigration judge that
she could not represent a client because, he said, he could not hear
her. A teacher wearing a niqab was dismissed from her school. A
student who was barred from wearing a niqab took her case to the
courts, and lost. In reaction, the British educational authorities are
proposing a ban on the niqab in schools altogether."
Muslims' Veils Test Limits of Britain's Tolerance, New York Times,
June 22, 2007
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/22/wo...pe/22veil.html

Several good points. It is group punishment, albeit less sever than the
Palestinians receive at the hands of the Israelis but still similar to
the sanctions placed against South Africa. Most of the world is against
what the Israelis are doing (as they are against what our government is
doing), even if their governments find economic advantage in maintaining
ties with Israel (more a nod, in my opinion to the economic consequences
imposed by the United States).

But, please. Read what I write. Don't beat up a straw man. There are
many good, decent Israelis. Even peace activists who don't care if their
neighbors are Palestinians or a Martians, for that matter. What they are
concerned about is how their neighbors treat them.

I just don't see the need for an Israel. An ethnically pure country?
Just has a bad sounding taste to it and Jews should be the first to
recognize that. Of course Zionism pre-date Nazism. After WWI, maybe an
ethnically pure state sounded reasonable. After WWII, I don't think so.
Zionism, in my opinion, is the problem. It is Zionism, and now
territorial aggrandizement, through ethnic cleansing that is the
problem. All property in Israel is owned by the state. Once a
Palestinian loses their land, they cannot get it back. Home destruction
by the state, and refusal to grant building permits are the weapons. How
about, I'm OK. Your OK. If you want to buy it, you pay for it?

The international community should be able to guarantee Jewish safety
(a legitimate concern, considering the past). At present it is just the
United States and Guam (and maybe the Marshall Islands) that guarantees
Israel's survival. But are they safe? Billions of dollars of American
foreign aid is squandered in Israel every year. What kind of country
would it be, if that money was spent on social needs instead for Moslems
and Jews?

Yes the niqab in Britain and the foulard in France are contentious
issues. Group pressure to conform or individual freedom? Personally, I
have no problem with either (niqab or foulard), if it isn't coercion.
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:44:26 -0400, William Wagner
wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:22:27 -0500, sherwindu
wrote:



Billy Rose wrote:

In article ,
sherwindu wrote:

Billy Rose wrote:

In article ,
sherwindu wrote:

Nobody on this gardening site should really care about your
anti-semetic
predjudices. You can brand the Israeli's as facists, but I
think
they
are
just
defending their country.

and, (2)
misrepresentation of Lyc-O-Mato's nutritional value.

I am very pleased to say, we already have Palestinian
neighbors,
thank
you. Christian Arabs who also were chased from their homes by
the
IDF.

More t han likely they were fleeing from the civil wars
between
Palestinians
many of whom have as much contempt for Christians as Jews.

I'm sorry everybody. The man called me anti-Semitic. I guess I
turned
over one too many rocks. Do I have to declare myself
non-anti-Semetic
to
this cretin? I'm better than no one, and no one is better than me.

As far as my Christian Arab Palestinian neighbors are concerned,
they
just want to go back to their homes in Palestine. The homes that
they
are barred from by Israel.

If their homes were in Bethlehem or Nazereth, there are no laws
prohibiting
them from living there. The Christian population of those towns
used
to
be
in the majority, but the Moslems have made their lives miserable,
and
now
they are in the minority.



Hey, how about one country with justice and freedom for all?

Israel is the only democracy in the middle east. It is the Jewish
homeland, and the Israeli's want to keep it that way. The Arabs
have their choice of living in numerous countries surrounding
Israel.
The same is not true for Jewish people, almost a million of them
were
forced out of their ancestral homes (some have lived there for two
thousand years) by the Arabs and forced to flee to Israel. Arabs
living in Israel enjoy the same rights as Jews, except they cannot
serve in the military. I suggest you study up on these things
before
you go spreading your stupid predjudices on gardening sites.

Sherwin



What a schmuck you are Sherwin.

Hey, you started this, big mouth.


--
Billy
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

Sherwin, you are a waste of space. You have no concept of what a
dialogue is.

Your concept consists of using foul language. You do not answer
any of my claims directly, so you never opened a dialog.

I'm sure you know where you can put your tomato. Nazi.

You calling me a Nazi, now that's the biggest joke of all.
Why don't you give it a rest and stop making a fool of yourself.

Sherwin

It is not Billy that is making something of himself, Sherwin.

Sorry Billy, sometimes you just can't let it go.


Sometimes it is good to dance.


Bill Other Other

Same of my faves that move me literally.

........

All Day Music 4:03 War All Day Music R&B 100 3 6/21/07 5:45 PM

The Enchanted Gypsy 3:21 Donovan A Gift From A Flower To A Garden
Easy Listening 100 5 6/21/07 6:05 PM

Ocean Of Love 5:29 Ancient Future Planet Passion World 100 58 7/4/07
6:34 PM

Beaton's Delight 2:31 Ashley MacIsaac Hi How Are You Today? World
100 10 6/21/07 6:37 PM

Don't Stop the Dance 4:19 Bryan Ferry Boys and Girls Rock 100 52
6/26/07 3:54 PM

Chicano Zen 5:01 Charanga Cakewalk Chicano Zen Latin 100 21 7/1/07
6:45 PM

Red Guitars 5:22 Erik Wollo Blue Sky, Red Guitars New Age 100 29
6/24/07 6:40 PM

Sexy Boy 5:00 Air Moon Safari Electronica/Dance 100 24 6/24/07 6:53
PM

Hug with the Wind 5:13 Jalan-Jalan BALI dua New Age 100 8 6/30/07
7:08 PM

I've Got the World On a String 2:10 Frank Sinatra Classic Sinatra -
His Great Performances, 1953-1960 Vocal 18 6/24/07 6:55 PM

OtherOther Bill, you make me happy!

You are an Eric Wollo aficionado? And Jalan_Jalan? Donavan....we're
going back somewhere with Master Leech, eh?

I love Wollo.....I try and imagine the Norwegian mind and thinking when
listening to his music. In fact, I am transfering "Elevations" to the
Mp3 as we speak and am heading out to put it on, in the garden!!!

Ahhhhh....there are good people in this world. Thank you, my freind,
for the directional shift. We seem to possibly be on the same musical
planet. Important stuff, it is.


Charlie


I do not know what or who Master Leech means ? Eric Wollo,
Jalan_Jalan, etc are full of wonderful beautiful sound images.

Every hear "Group Between" or "Peter Michael Hamel" ? German guys lost
in India influenced music. I love Em !

Had to go here http://www.schott-music.com/shop/ as CD no
longer available in USA and my LP's are just resting.

Between "And the waters opened" seem to be German Exports
only now. Many stars.

Bill

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William Wagner expounded:

Charlie

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Bill

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