In article ,
"Freckles" wrote:

Why are you asking someone who thinks *intact* is two words, knows to
spell ******, thinks others are *moronic*, and can't properly construct a
sentence?

That was a mistake, wasn't it?

It always is when your talking to Shelly.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

In article ,
"Freckles" wrote:

Do you think the chemicals used to fight cancer are safe?

Is this your way of justifying giving a person Sevin without telling
her to cover up and don't inhale it? Are you comparing this
irresponsible act with the field of medicine which develops poisons
(as you call them) to combat cancer? Your argument is very weak.
Victoria

I offer no argument, just fact.

Fact out of context, designed to mislead. You really are scum.

In oncology, the aim is to kill fast growing cells to save the organism.
In the biosphere, the aim is to protect the biosphere because it
nourishes (saves) the organisms.

You would have us rest our agriculture on petroleum products which
seriously damage the soils ability to feed us. The less topsoil there is
the more chemferts that need to be added to the fields. When there is no
more topsoil, there will be no more food.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

In article ,
"Freckles" wrote:

Supposedly one just shoves a spike into the ground next to the rose and it
will kill pests and feed the plant for up to 2 months.

I know where you could stick it and protect the environment at the same
time.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

In article ,
"Freckles" wrote:


You have proven you can't read, so why should I bother?

Could we have a citation on that?
And what did you think that people do in gardening groups?
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

In article ,
"Freckles" wrote:

Educate yourself, and/or quit trying to grow stuff that perhaps
shouldn't be grown. Damn.

If you think you have a problen with Bayer and their products complain to
your congressmen and Senators.

It is often said that a word to the wise is sufficient, but that leaves
you out. No, the best way to deal with Bayer, Monsanto, Dow, et al. is
to stop buying their products. Your obviously not intelligent enough to
learn but others are. Why do you think the first family is going
"ORGANIC"? So we organic types will proselytize and spread our word, and
maybe that will give dullards, like yourself, a chance to reconsider.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

In article ,
"Freckles" wrote:

Thanks for calling me kid, but since I'm 71 I don't think the shoe fits. I
also have an extensive education including academics and personal
experiences.

I wonder how much better off we would all be if fanatics like your self
would quit disrupting scientist and let them conduct humane experiments on
animals. Perhaps they could find cures for many horrible diseases and even
find products that could replace some of the "dangerous" chemicals you seem
so concerned about.

But a fanatic is a fanatic no matter their cause.

Aw jeez, another blowhard (academics and personal experiences).

So if your so smart, why don't you respond to the discussion of the
environmental impact of biocides on the environment, instead of
obfuscating by bring up another subject? What is it, alzheimer's?
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

In article ,
"Freckles" wrote:

I wonder how much better off we would all be if fanatics like your self
would quit disrupting scientist and let them conduct humane experiments on
animals.

Uh, humans are animals ya know. How much more could we learn
experimenting on, uh, let's say humans that defile the environment?
You'll have to admit, it would be no great loss.

Perhaps they could find cures for many horrible diseases and even
find products that could replace some of the "dangerous" chemicals you seem
so concerned about.

If those chemicals come from Monsanto or Dow, they don't need to be
replaced, they need to be terminated.
Why is it that a self professed smart guy like you doesn't seem to know
squat about IPM?

But a fanatic is a fanatic no matter their cause.

"Extremism in the defense of liberty "Is" no vice...and moderation in
the pursuit of justice "Is" no virtue."
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

In article ,
"Freckles" wrote:

Thank you for providing this key to understanding more about from
whence you cometh. I'm even less impressed now.

Was I trying to impress you? Why? You are an ignorant twit.

Upon what do you base that evaluation? Can you give a citation, if you
have no logical answer?
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

In article ,
"Freckles" wrote:

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 7 May 2009 00:24:28 -0500, "Freckles"
wrote:

Was I trying to impress you? Why? You are an ignorant twit.

Hey, you're the self-proclaimed 72 year old person named Freckles. Is
your last name Chuckles?
Victoria

And you can't even read, I wrote "71."


Ah, but how do we know you got it right? What with your advanced age and
all.

Hmmm? Maybe you're just irritated that soon, you'll be shuffling off
this mortal coil, and you hate to think that anyone is going to have a
good time when you're gone. That would explain your desire to see
biocides splashed everywhere.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

On 5/7/2009 1:46 PM, Billy wrote:
In article ,
see Organization header (see Organization
header)" wrote:

No, I'm
not concerned at all about its effect on ground water. Because of
NATURAL minerals, the ground water in my area is toxic and unfit even
for irrigation, let alone unfit for human or animal ingestion.

Got your excuse all memorized, huh?

I don't need to memorize facts. I can look them up. Excuses -- like
lies -- have to be memorized.

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean
Sunset Zone: 21 -- interior Santa Monica Mountains with some ocean
influence (USDA 10a, very close to Sunset Zone 19)
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

On 5/4/2009 10:08 PM, Freckles wrote:
I would like to use a systemic pesticide on my roses.

I've heard systemic pesticides can be very dangerous.

I've tried several different sprays and am not satisfied with the results.

Can anyone recommend a brand of systemic pesticide that is not so dangerous
to humans and pets?

Thanks,

Freckles




Okay. This thread has generated more heat than light.

On one side are the organic-only dogmatics, who can't accept that (1)
some natural, organic materials are more toxic than their artificial,
non-organic replacements. On the other side are the "the rest of you be
damned" polluters, equally dogmatic. Those of us who are pragmatists
and sometimes use organic methods in our gardens and sometime do not
have been insulted by both sides.

I have kill-filed this thread and will no longer participate.

I have kill-filed at least one participant who has a compulsion to
answer every single message, whether he can add anything useful or not;
instead, he only adds rudness and insults. I have kill-filed another
one whose prose is more toxic than anything I could mix with the
chemicals in my garage.

Two blocks from my home is a community garden with an "organic only"
rule. I don't participate because not everything I do in my own garden
follows organic principles. The people who do garden there are my
friends. They accept why I don't have a plot in the community garden.
They don't try to change me, and they don't shun me.

That's the way participants in this newsgroup should behave, not as if
they are prosylitizing for a religion. Unfortunately, several
participants in this thread have been acting as if theirs is the only
way to God.

Good-bye from this thread. NO, I'm not abandoning rec.gardens. But if
you post a message there that I seem to ignore, I might not have seen
it. News reader filters can be very effective.

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean
Sunset Zone: 21 -- interior Santa Monica Mountains with some ocean
influence (USDA 10a, very close to Sunset Zone 19)
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

In article ,
"David E. Ross" wrote:

Mostly NATURAL sufites and sulfates. (How many times do I have to say
that they occur naturally?) There are also nodules of phosphate that
explode spontaneously.

You don't have to add to the problem.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

In article ,
"Freckles" wrote:

I placed two other organic fanatics in there with you, so now maybe I can
get some reasonable answers to any other questions I may ask.

You contemptuous old bag of crap. You run from the truth as if it was
scalding water. Hope you enjoy your view from the other side of the sod,
soon.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html

brooklyn1 wrote:
"Sheila" wrote:
at least we don't have to fence our new trees.



Depends on the tree and its size... fruit trees, whether ornamental or not,
are at greater risk... but after like five years the saplings grow tall
enough that the fences can be removed. I don't mind the fences, if it's
something I want to grow and don't want eaten by critters then I fence...
there'd be no way for me to have a vegetable garden otherwise. And still
there are the birds, so I also net. I'm not into conservatory gardening.




Aw, so you have the same problem with deer that I do. We are having to
fence in our back yard, but it is certainly worth it to live in the
country. I grew up on a working cattle farm and missed the country when
I had to live close to a city for work. Now, I'm able to live in the
country again.

--
Sheila

"Billy" fabricated
"David E. Ross" wrote:

Mostly NATURAL sufites and sulfates. (How many times do I have to say
that they occur naturally?) There are also nodules of phosphate that
explode spontaneously.

You don't have to add to the problem.


Why don't you STFU, some 31 years of roses who can't show us even one
friggin' petal.. ****ing LIAR, LIAR, LIAR, yer pants are on fire, B I L L Y
L I A R!