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aphrodite or amabilis? Please help
Hello,
I couldn't resist and bought NO ID again from supermarket. Can someone help me to identify if it's aphrodite or amabilis or something else? I appreciate your help and thank you all in advance. Here some pictures of it: http://sforzando.de/bhr/Phal_1.jpg http://sforzando.de/bhr/Phal_2.jpg http://sforzando.de/bhr/Phal_3.jpg I had to transplant it immediately because media was terrible with some strange insects from Asia I guess, and now it going to grow in semi-hydroponics btw. |
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aphrodite or amabilis? Please help
"Weng" wrote in message ... snip Certainly, your plant does resemble a specie, but so does a whole load of unsucessful hybrids and throwbacks. Looking alike is not the same, I'm afraid. Sorry. snip Of course, just because something is a No ID hybrid Phal does _not_ have to mean that it is unsuccessful and a throwback. If you like the looks of it, and are pleased with your purchase, that's what should count for you. Some of my favorite orchids are No ID hybrid Phals. Joanna |
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aphrodite or amabilis? Please help
J Fortuna schrieb:
"Weng" wrote in message ... snip Certainly, your plant does resemble a specie, but so does a whole load of unsucessful hybrids and throwbacks. Looking alike is not the same, I'm afraid. Sorry. snip Of course, just because something is a No ID hybrid Phal does _not_ have to mean that it is unsuccessful and a throwback. If you like the looks of it, and are pleased with your purchase, that's what should count for you. Some of my favorite orchids are No ID hybrid Phals. Joanna Thanks Joanna, you're right, I have two NoID Phals and I'm so happy with them and I enjoy this one so much. I think, if I would work on hybridizing new orchids it would be important how clean genetically parents are, but I just love Phals and enjoy species, also with ID, that I have without knowing how clean they are. Actually this one was only one between maybe 35 or 40 Phal hybrids in supermarket and I think it got there accidentally, and I think it's more species than hybrid. How many of us know for sure how clean species are that we have? I could, with kindly help of people over here and other forum, identify some of my NoID Phals and now I know I have one peloric Phal Brother Cortez Red and it's just beautiful. I'm just a bit uncomfortable if they are without a name... Bahram |
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I have at least 30 NoIDs ;-) And no, they don't have to be rejects. In fact, quite the opposite. Most commercial plants are mericlones, and if you are about to produce and raise a million plants, you'd chose the very best, free-flowering parent money can buy! It is just a pity they don't then tell you what it is. I just label mine as Phalaenopsis hybrid #?. You could also give it a clonal name, if you like. The label might then read Phalaenopsis hybrid #2 'Walmart'. This way, the plant never gets into the wider community under a false name. Weng |
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aphrodite or amabilis? Please help
I was talking to one of the really big growers. He said what it would cost
to put labels in all his plants was about equal to how much he took out of the business. I though it seemed a bit far fetched so I did some calculations with sales numbers from Greenhouse Grower and assumed labels and man power would run between 10 and 20 cents per label. Numbers seemed to be just about right on. It is not like these growers do not know what they are growing, it is just the nature of the business. I am guessing for the box stores to carry plants with labels would add 50 cents to a dollar per plant to the consumer. Pat "Weng" wrote in message ... Orchis Wrote: J - Of course, just because something is a No ID hybrid Phal does _not_ have to mean that it is unsuccessful and a throwback. If you like the looks of it, and are pleased with your purchase, that's what should count for you. Some of my favorite orchids are No ID hybrid Phals. Joanna- Thanks Joanna, you're right, I have two NoID Phals and I'm so happy with them I'm just a bit uncomfortable if they are without a name... Bahram I have at least 30 NoIDs ;-) And no, they don't have to be rejects. In fact, quite the opposite. Most commercial plants are mericlones, and if you are about to produce and raise a million plants, you'd chose the very best, free-flowering parent money can buy! It is just a pity they don't then tell you what it is. I just label mine as Phalaenopsis hybrid #?. You could also give it a clonal name, if you like. The label might then read Phalaenopsis hybrid #2 'Walmart'. This way, the plant never gets into the wider community under a false name. Weng -- Weng |
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aphrodite or amabilis? Please help
When I speak to groups at our show I often hold up an out of bloom plant.
With the label in the pot this plant is worth about $10 to $15 to a collector. I pull the label out and say this same plant now may be worth $5. The big box stores plan to move the plant before it goes out of bloom so "what you see is what you get". When the bloom is gone the plant goes into the write off pile. For smaller operations like the local neighborhood nursery the extra money makes it worthwhile keeping the plant alive. When I was younger I bought any orchid that the plant looked good and the price was marked down. The first plants I bought were from HD picking them out of the trash can at $.25 each. I still have some of those Den biggibum hybrids. The NOID plants served their purpose of teaching me how to quickly kill an orchid. Now that I have a full house I have to be very selective about what I buy. Personally, I would only buy an unlabeled plant if it was something I wanted to try not to kill and the price was cheap. Good Growing, Gene "Pat Brennan" wrote in message ... I was talking to one of the really big growers. He said what it would cost to put labels in all his plants was about equal to how much he took out of the business. I though it seemed a bit far fetched so I did some calculations with sales numbers from Greenhouse Grower and assumed labels and man power would run between 10 and 20 cents per label. Numbers seemed to be just about right on. It is not like these growers do not know what they are growing, it is just the nature of the business. I am guessing for the box stores to carry plants with labels would add 50 cents to a dollar per plant to the consumer. Pat "Weng" wrote in message ... Orchis Wrote: J - Of course, just because something is a No ID hybrid Phal does _not_ have to mean that it is unsuccessful and a throwback. If you like the looks of it, and are pleased with your purchase, that's what should count for you. Some of my favorite orchids are No ID hybrid Phals. Joanna- Thanks Joanna, you're right, I have two NoID Phals and I'm so happy with them I'm just a bit uncomfortable if they are without a name... Bahram I have at least 30 NoIDs ;-) And no, they don't have to be rejects. In fact, quite the opposite. Most commercial plants are mericlones, and if you are about to produce and raise a million plants, you'd chose the very best, free-flowering parent money can buy! It is just a pity they don't then tell you what it is. I just label mine as Phalaenopsis hybrid #?. You could also give it a clonal name, if you like. The label might then read Phalaenopsis hybrid #2 'Walmart'. This way, the plant never gets into the wider community under a false name. Weng -- Weng |
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aphrodite or amabilis? Please help
Pat: I think you are pretty close at 20 cents a label. The big growers who
do label have very expensive thermal printers (cost of which must somehow be amortized per label) compared to my ancient -- and cheap -- dot-matrix, but most of them have cheaper labor than small growers, and it's more efficient to tag huge lots of the same thing, rather than smaller lots of different plants. But the real factor is demand. The vast majority of customers don't WANT labels. They pull them out and toss them like they were the price-tags on clothing. I even find them strewn in my parking lot. I give a very short version of the spiel mentioned by another poster, about labels and plant value, with my repotting talks. I also tell the audience that the tag is important, because someday they may have a question about their plant, and if they call me and say "I have a question about my orchid," I'm not going to be able to help them, if I don't know what it is (and if they tell me it's a "white one," I'm liable to hang up on them G). The latter seems slightly more effective than the former, but neither converts more than 1-2% into label keepers. Kenni "Pat Brennan" wrote in message ... I was talking to one of the really big growers. He said what it would cost to put labels in all his plants was about equal to how much he took out of the business. I though it seemed a bit far fetched so I did some calculations with sales numbers from Greenhouse Grower and assumed labels and man power would run between 10 and 20 cents per label. Numbers seemed to be just about right on. It is not like these growers do not know what they are growing, it is just the nature of the business. I am guessing for the box stores to carry plants with labels would add 50 cents to a dollar per plant to the consumer. Pat "Weng" wrote in message ... Orchis Wrote: J - Of course, just because something is a No ID hybrid Phal does _not_ have to mean that it is unsuccessful and a throwback. If you like the looks of it, and are pleased with your purchase, that's what should count for you. Some of my favorite orchids are No ID hybrid Phals. Joanna- Thanks Joanna, you're right, I have two NoID Phals and I'm so happy with them I'm just a bit uncomfortable if they are without a name... Bahram I have at least 30 NoIDs ;-) And no, they don't have to be rejects. In fact, quite the opposite. Most commercial plants are mericlones, and if you are about to produce and raise a million plants, you'd chose the very best, free-flowering parent money can buy! It is just a pity they don't then tell you what it is. I just label mine as Phalaenopsis hybrid #?. You could also give it a clonal name, if you like. The label might then read Phalaenopsis hybrid #2 'Walmart'. This way, the plant never gets into the wider community under a false name. Weng -- Weng |
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aphrodite or amabilis? Please help
Orchis,
Why not give them your own nicknames that you can use for your own purposes when referring to them just for the fun of it. All my orchids have nicknames that I use at home, and since I have no intention of either showing any of them at an orchid show or reselling any of them, it does not matter -- also I never put those nicknames on labels, so there is no confusion anyway. I have one that is named "Streaky-cheeked tulip *******" because it has streaks on its "cheeks" (petals)and as far as I know one of its ancestors could have been an illegitimate offspring of a tulip (since it is a NoID). Then there is "Penta-speckled Canary Twin" which has flowers that are sort of pentagon shaped, spotted, yellow, and had two spikes when I got it (now it has four spikes, so I guess I should call it Penta-speckled Canary Quadruplet"). Others have shorter names such as "Doubloom," which is roughly based on the old Spanish currency of the doubloon (sp?) because it's flowers are flat and sort of golden like a gold coin; and "Lapel" which is peloric (hence the nickname ends in pel). Who knows you might have fun inventing your own nicknames for your No ID's, and I am sure you could be much more creative than Phal NoID 'Walmart', right? :-) For your information, none of your No ID Phals can ever be truly identified. So when you say that kindly people have helped you identify the NoID Phals, that is misleading. Since there are so many Phal hybrids out there and many are similar to one another, all the forum members could tell you is that there are these Phals that sort of look like your Phals, and may or may not be the same or a related hybrid. Best, Joanna "Orchis" wrote in message ps.com... J Fortuna schrieb: "Weng" wrote in message ... snip Certainly, your plant does resemble a specie, but so does a whole load of unsucessful hybrids and throwbacks. Looking alike is not the same, I'm afraid. Sorry. snip Of course, just because something is a No ID hybrid Phal does _not_ have to mean that it is unsuccessful and a throwback. If you like the looks of it, and are pleased with your purchase, that's what should count for you. Some of my favorite orchids are No ID hybrid Phals. Joanna Thanks Joanna, you're right, I have two NoID Phals and I'm so happy with them and I enjoy this one so much. I think, if I would work on hybridizing new orchids it would be important how clean genetically parents are, but I just love Phals and enjoy species, also with ID, that I have without knowing how clean they are. Actually this one was only one between maybe 35 or 40 Phal hybrids in supermarket and I think it got there accidentally, and I think it's more species than hybrid. How many of us know for sure how clean species are that we have? I could, with kindly help of people over here and other forum, identify some of my NoID Phals and now I know I have one peloric Phal Brother Cortez Red and it's just beautiful. I'm just a bit uncomfortable if they are without a name... Bahram |
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