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Using overalpping stones to deeepne pond?
I'd like to deepen the pond this year and make it slightly bigger in
diameter. The plan was to move the shrub (flowering crab) and replace the waterfall with a waterwheel. I was just looking at those stone blocks that they use to raise flowerbeds and thinking I could use these to deepen the pond. But I can see several problems: One, it may look like crap, giving the pond a wishing well look. I don't have a lot of room between the walkway and the pond's edge. Two, I don't know enough about these stones (I've seen a couple of styles) to know if they would support the liner. Although I currently have two layers of pavers below the water line on the top 'shelf' of the pond to hold the liner in place before it gets folded under. Something similar might work again. Any suggestions appreciated here. Three, would the gaps in the stones let critters chew holes in the liner or expose it to the elements. I guess I'd need to backfill the bottom rows (two or three) and then put the cap stone on top of the liner. Four, Might provide easier access for critters, raccoons etc. Five, this would make it difficult to add a water feature (wheel or waterfall) with the raised edge. Creative ideas appreciated. |
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Using overalpping stones to deeepne pond?
I'm not sure this would even apply to your situation but... When we dug out pond poor DH got very tired of dealing with basketball sized boulders. It was rough going. He decided to raise the pond by digging stacking turf. I got a new border out of the deal and he added a foot to the depth. k :-) |
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Before I start with my answer, I guess I better tell you that I have enjoyed
lurking on the new group. Had to leave a while back and find a new home. Now I will share time with both. This is back to what we once had. Thumbs up. (bottom) "Bill Stock" wrote in message ... I'd like to deepen the pond this year and make it slightly bigger in diameter. The plan was to move the shrub (flowering crab) and replace the waterfall with a waterwheel. I was just looking at those stone blocks that they use to raise flowerbeds and thinking I could use these to deepen the pond. But I can see several problems: One, it may look like crap, giving the pond a wishing well look. I don't have a lot of room between the walkway and the pond's edge. Two, I don't know enough about these stones (I've seen a couple of styles) to know if they would support the liner. Although I currently have two layers of pavers below the water line on the top 'shelf' of the pond to hold the liner in place before it gets folded under. Something similar might work again. Any suggestions appreciated here. Three, would the gaps in the stones let critters chew holes in the liner or expose it to the elements. I guess I'd need to backfill the bottom rows (two or three) and then put the cap stone on top of the liner. Four, Might provide easier access for critters, raccoons etc. Five, this would make it difficult to add a water feature (wheel or waterfall) with the raised edge. Creative ideas appreciated. I rebuilt my first real liner pond in 2005, removing the plant shelves and raising the sides of the pond about 2 feet with the stackable landscape blocks. I then covered the blocks with a geotextile fabric to protect the liner. You can see the old pond with the block being finished before the trade over, and the new finished pond on http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondpage6.html. Sorry I don't have any distant shots on the site to show other views. The pond is now about 42 inches deep. The block is holding up fine. I did use the 6 inch thick block. They weigh in at about 75 pounds per block. The thinner 4 inch thick block probably does not have the mmmph to hold back much water. |
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Using overalpping stones to deeepne pond?
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:16:24 CST, "RichToyBox"
wrote: I rebuilt my first real liner pond in 2005, removing the plant shelves and raising the sides of the pond about 2 feet with the stackable landscape blocks. I then covered the blocks with a geotextile fabric to protect the liner. You can see the old pond with the block being finished before the trade over, and the new finished pond on http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondpage6.html. Sorry I don't have any distant shots on the site to show other views. The pond is now about 42 inches deep. The block is holding up fine. I did use the 6 inch thick block. They weigh in at about 75 pounds per block. The thinner 4 inch thick block probably does not have the mmmph to hold back much water. Absolutely enjoyed the website/tour. Great shots, beautiful fish! Two large ponds now, you'll have to take some shots from a distance so we can see how they are laid out. :-) ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Using overalpping stones to deeepne pond?
Hey Rich! Great to see you again! Love the affectionate koi. k :-) |
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Using overalpping stones to deeepne pond?
"RichToyBox" wrote in message . .. Before I start with my answer, I guess I better tell you that I have enjoyed lurking on the new group. Had to leave a while back and find a new home. Now I will share time with both. This is back to what we once had. Thumbs up. (bottom) "Bill Stock" wrote in message ... I'd like to deepen the pond this year and make it slightly bigger in diameter. The plan was to move the shrub (flowering crab) and replace the waterfall with a waterwheel. I was just looking at those stone blocks that they use to raise flowerbeds and thinking I could use these to deepen the pond. I rebuilt my first real liner pond in 2005, removing the plant shelves and raising the sides of the pond about 2 feet with the stackable landscape blocks. I then covered the blocks with a geotextile fabric to protect the liner. You can see the old pond with the block being finished before the trade over, and the new finished pond on http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondpage6.html. Sorry I don't have any distant shots on the site to show other views. The pond is now about 42 inches deep. The block is holding up fine. I did use the 6 inch thick block. They weigh in at about 75 pounds per block. The thinner 4 inch thick block probably does not have the mmmph to hold back much water. Thanks Rich, The end result looks pretty good, but I hadn't really considered using the HUGE stones. :-) Although I suspect you're right, there may not be much choice. Are these Unilock stones or some generic variety? Do you remember the style? I was considering building a little bump (half wall) on the side to conceal some sort of filter with outflow. |
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Using overalpping stones to deeepne pond?
"Bill Stock" wrote in message
... Thanks Rich, The end result looks pretty good, but I hadn't really considered using the HUGE stones. :-) Although I suspect you're right, there may not be much choice. Are these Unilock stones or some generic variety? Do you remember the style? I was considering building a little bump (half wall) on the side to conceal some sort of filter with outflow. The block that I used was anchorwall diamond as shown in the link. http://www.anchorwall.com/HomeOwners...tail.asp?pid=4 I have used it on both ponds. The larger pond needed approximately 3 foot of wall on the downhill side of the pond to support the dirt removed from the pond level with the high side. Within a couple of years of building that pond, I went back and added a vortex filter just outside of the wall and added more of the retaining wall to go around that vortex. |
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Using overalpping stones to deeepne pond?
build with a stud wall and face with anything from real to fake brick.
http://weloveteaching.com/mypond/2000/p2000.htm also consider where to put a veggie filter to keep the pond clean. Ingrid The end result looks pretty good, but I hadn't really considered using the HUGE stones. :-) Although I suspect you're right, there may not be much choice. Are these Unilock stones or some generic variety? Do you remember the style? I was considering building a little bump (half wall) on the side to conceal some sort of filter with outflow. |
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Using overalpping stones to deeepne pond?
"drsolo" wrote in message . com... build with a stud wall and face with anything from real to fake brick. http://weloveteaching.com/mypond/2000/p2000.htm also consider where to put a veggie filter to keep the pond clean. Ingrid Thanks Ingrid, something else to consider. I may need some sort of hybrid based on my space issues. |
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Using overalpping stones to deeepne pond?
"RichToyBox" wrote in message . .. The block that I used was anchorwall diamond as shown in the link. http://www.anchorwall.com/HomeOwners...tail.asp?pid=4 I have used it on both ponds. The larger pond needed approximately 3 foot of wall on the downhill side of the pond to support the dirt removed from the pond level with the high side. Within a couple of years of building that pond, I went back and added a vortex filter just outside of the wall and added more of the retaining wall to go around that vortex. Thanks, did you use any crushed gravel under the stones to prevent them from settling? One problem I have is that the edge of the pond is very close to the walkway on one side (less than 12"), so I don't know how I would support the stones there. I think I would have to sink some supports into the dirt and backfill with gravel. The walkway has poured curbs (KwikKerb) so it can't be moved or overlapped. |
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Using overalpping stones to deeepne pond?
A veggie filter can be stocked with plants that grow high rather than out.
my veggie filter isnt very big in footprint and I really only need about half the length anyway. Ingrid "Bill Stock" wrote in message ... I may need some sort of hybrid based on my space issues. |
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Using overalpping stones to deeepne pond?
"Bill Stock" wrote in message ... Thanks, did you use any crushed gravel under the stones to prevent them from settling? I cheated. Some of my block are sitting directly on the surface of the ground. Some are partially buried to obtain a continous level plane for each layer. They have not moved yet. If you are on a very soft, wet, bog type soil then you would definitely need some support. If you are in an area with significant periods of freezing that might lift the wall by frost action, then you would definitely want to get some form of foundation below the frost line. On the first pond that I used the block, there is about 4 to 5 feet of soil between the wall and the pond, so if there were any movement it would not be of any consequence. On the pond that is shown on the web page partially completed, it is located at the edge of the pond. I cover and heat my ponds so frost action is not an issue with this pond. |
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