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Rubbermaid glue report: Forget Gorilla Glue
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Phyllis and Jim wrote: The silicone would work fine, like a gasket, if it has compression. With plastic flex, it is likely to come loose from its bond. Jim But the silicone is designed to be adhesive. I know that cheaper silicone window seal is easy to peel, but the quality stuff sticks pretty well. Aquarium sealer is designed for pressure on the glass (from the inside, too). -- To reply by email, remove the word "space" |
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Rubbermaid glue report: Forget Gorilla Glue
But the silicone is designed to be adhesive. Good point. Our aquaria have the silicone holding well on glass. Indeed, we have had to shave it off to clear the glass! We have not had as good a result with plastics. They have to be really clean and the bond really good. I wouldn't want to run with it without compression to hold things steady. Maybe someone can get with a manufacturer to talk about bonding and flex. Jim |
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Rubbermaid glue report: Forget Gorilla Glue
Phyllis and Jim wrote:
But the silicone is designed to be adhesive. Good point. Our aquaria have the silicone holding well on glass. Indeed, we have had to shave it off to clear the glass! Silicone is a really odd adhesive. If you ever read the package or tube, you'll see "not to be used below the waterline". It isn't a very strong adhesive, and it functions _really_ poorly when wet. The interior of the glass join in an aquarium _isn't_ wet - but if you somehow allow water in there, the joint failure can be catastrophic. We have not had as good a result with plastics. They have to be really clean and the bond really good. I wouldn't want to run with it without compression to hold things steady. Nope. If you flex silicone it's _never_ going to hold. -- derek - Unless otherwise noted, I speak for myself, not rec.ponds.moderated moderators. |
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Rubbermaid glue report: Forget Gorilla Glue
"Derek Broughton" wrote in message
... Phyllis and Jim wrote: But the silicone is designed to be adhesive. Good point. Our aquaria have the silicone holding well on glass. Indeed, we have had to shave it off to clear the glass! Silicone is a really odd adhesive. If you ever read the package or tube, you'll see "not to be used below the waterline". It isn't a very strong adhesive, and it functions _really_ poorly when wet. The interior of the glass join in an aquarium _isn't_ wet - but if you somehow allow water in there, the joint failure can be catastrophic. We have not had as good a result with plastics. They have to be really clean and the bond really good. I wouldn't want to run with it without compression to hold things steady. Nope. If you flex silicone it's _never_ going to hold. Hmm.. so then I'm still left with a glue dilemma.. only thing I can still think of is a goop/shoe goo "sleeve" on the inlet 1" pvc pipe, and then shoe goo applied both inside and out as well. UV seems to be doing OK so far, but without being able to remove the suspended particles, visibility still sucks. Gareee (Gary Tabar Jr.) |
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Rubbermaid glue report: Forget Gorilla Glue
On Wed, 30 May 2007 06:37:27 CST, "Gareee©"
wrote: Nope. If you flex silicone it's _never_ going to hold. Hmm.. so then I'm still left with a glue dilemma.. only thing I can still think of is a goop/shoe goo "sleeve" on the inlet 1" pvc pipe, and then shoe goo applied both inside and out as well. Bulkhead fitting with flange on both sides of the bulkhead/liner/container wall. Insert silicon seal allow to cure, then tighten, or compress the silicon seal. May be more expensive, but it will save time and energy. Regards, Hal |
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Rubbermaid glue report: Forget Gorilla Glue
"Hal" wrote in message ... On Wed, 30 May 2007 06:37:27 CST, "Gareee©" wrote: Nope. If you flex silicone it's _never_ going to hold. Hmm.. so then I'm still left with a glue dilemma.. only thing I can still think of is a goop/shoe goo "sleeve" on the inlet 1" pvc pipe, and then shoe goo applied both inside and out as well. Bulkhead fitting with flange on both sides of the bulkhead/liner/container wall. Insert silicon seal allow to cure, then tighten, or compress the silicon seal. May be more expensive, but it will save time and energy. Not sure where I'd get the parts for this..they don;t really have a lot for this type of setup in the local Lowe's, keeping in mind this is for either 3/4 inch or 1" pvc pipe. -- Gareee (Gary Tabar Jr.) |
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Rubbermaid glue report: Forget Gorilla Glue
Bulkhead fitting with flange on both sides of the bulkhead/liner/container wall. Insert silicon seal allow to cure, then tighten, or compress the silicon seal. May be more expensive, but it will save time and energy. Not sure where I'd get the parts for this..they don;t really have a lot for this type of setup in the local Lowe's, keeping in mind this is for either 3/4 inch or 1" pvc pipe. Hi Gary - Hal is right - Bulkhead fittings are the answer, for any thickness of plastic or rubber, just make sure you tighten it - I use it on 45 gal plastic barrels for bio-filters - no leaks - they come from 3/8" up to 2" and maybe larger - go to a farm supply store that has supplies for sprayers for fields - up here in Canada a 2" fitting is about $15 Can - smaller ones are less - I would never use pvc fittings and any kind of glue - Bulkheads around here are used on up to 5000 gal (and maybe larger) tanks with no problem - my filter has been running for 12 yrs - no leaks Gale :~) |
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Rubbermaid glue report: Forget Gorilla Glue
"G Pearce" wrote in message
... Hi Gary - Hal is right - Bulkhead fittings are the answer, for any thickness of plastic or rubber, just make sure you tighten it - I use it on 45 gal plastic barrels for bio-filters - no leaks - they come from 3/8" up to 2" and maybe larger - go to a farm supply store that has supplies for sprayers for fields - up here in Canada a 2" fitting is about $15 Can - smaller ones are less - I would never use pvc fittings and any kind of glue - Bulkheads around here are used on up to 5000 gal (and maybe larger) tanks with no problem - my filter has been running for 12 yrs - no leaks Ok, so bulkhead fittings are metal? I have a farm supply store here, (fortunately).. are they also available at Lowe's? I did something similar with the toilet flanges.. I attached them from the inside, and used the regualr wax seals for them. I added long bolts, and used LARGE washers on each side, tighten down,. with silicon between them and the rubbermaid to add just a little more seal to them. Those look to be working great. I'll see if I can find the bulkhead fittings tomorrow if possible. If they are heavy, might that be an issue for the plastic to support? -- Gareee (Gary Tabar Jr.) |
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Rubbermaid glue report: Forget Gorilla Glue
This really isn't that tough, and google should be your friend.
I entered bulkhead fitting and got 454,000 hits. This one might even be what you're looking for; http://www.truetex.com/bulkhead.htm. Bulkhead fittings are usually made of various plastics and can be found on-line or at swimming pool suppliers and some specialty plumbing supply shops. "Gareee©" wrote in message ... "G Pearce" wrote in message ... Hi Gary - Hal is right - Bulkhead fittings are the answer, for any thickness of plastic or rubber, just make sure you tighten it - I use it on 45 gal plastic barrels for bio-filters - no leaks - they come from 3/8" up to 2" and maybe larger - go to a farm supply store that has supplies for sprayers for fields - up here in Canada a 2" fitting is about $15 Can - smaller ones are less - I would never use pvc fittings and any kind of glue - Bulkheads around here are used on up to 5000 gal (and maybe larger) tanks with no problem - my filter has been running for 12 yrs - no leaks Ok, so bulkhead fittings are metal? I have a farm supply store here, (fortunately).. are they also available at Lowe's? I did something similar with the toilet flanges.. I attached them from the inside, and used the regualr wax seals for them. I added long bolts, and used LARGE washers on each side, tighten down,. with silicon between them and the rubbermaid to add just a little more seal to them. Those look to be working great. I'll see if I can find the bulkhead fittings tomorrow if possible. If they are heavy, might that be an issue for the plastic to support? -- Gareee (Gary Tabar Jr.) |
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Rubbermaid glue report: Forget Gorilla Glue
Gareee© wrote:
"Hal" wrote in message ... On Wed, 30 May 2007 06:37:27 CST, "Gareee©" wrote: Nope. If you flex silicone it's _never_ going to hold. Hmm.. so then I'm still left with a glue dilemma.. only thing I can still think of is a goop/shoe goo "sleeve" on the inlet 1" pvc pipe, and then shoe goo applied both inside and out as well. Bulkhead fitting with flange on both sides of the bulkhead/liner/container wall. Insert silicon seal allow to cure, then tighten, or compress the silicon seal. May be more expensive, but it will save time and energy. Not sure where I'd get the parts for this..they don;t really have a lot for this type of setup in the local Lowe's, keeping in mind this is for either 3/4 inch or 1" pvc pipe. "Bulkhead" fittings are exactly what they sound like - fittings for providing a seal through marine bulkheads. So you get them from places that sell parts for boats. -- derek - Unless otherwise noted, I speak for myself, not rec.ponds.moderated moderators. |
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Rubbermaid glue report: Forget Gorilla Glue
Ok, so bulkhead fittings are metal? I have a farm supply store here,
(fortunately).. are they also available at Lowe's? I did something similar with the toilet flanges.. I attached them from the inside, and used the regualr wax seals for them. I added long bolts, and used LARGE washers on each side, tighten down,. with silicon between them and the rubbermaid to add just a little more seal to them. Those look to be working great. I'll see if I can find the bulkhead fittings tomorrow if possible. If they are heavy, might that be an issue for the plastic to support? The ones I use are plastic - I don't think Lowes would carry them as they are used mainly for industrial applications, not home repair No they aren't heavy, no extra support required. I used them on a square Rubbermaid container for a bio-filter for a small pond for a customer (3/4" inlet and 2" return fitting). The container was a square ~ 28"X20" and 24" deep - the ones they have in Walmart (blue) Gale :~) |
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Rubbermaid glue report: Forget Gorilla Glue
"Gareee©" wrote in message ... "G Pearce" wrote in message ... Hi Gary - Hal is right - Bulkhead fittings are the answer, for any thickness of plastic or rubber, just make sure you tighten it - I use it on 45 gal plastic barrels for bio-filters - no leaks - they come from 3/8" up to 2" and maybe larger - go to a farm supply store that has supplies for sprayers for fields - up here in Canada a 2" fitting is about $15 Can - smaller ones are less - I would never use pvc fittings and any kind of glue - Bulkheads around here are used on up to 5000 gal (and maybe larger) tanks with no problem - my filter has been running for 12 yrs - no leaks Ok, so bulkhead fittings are metal? I have a farm supply store here, (fortunately).. are they also available at Lowe's? I did something similar with the toilet flanges.. I attached them from the inside, and used the regualr wax seals for them. I added long bolts, and used LARGE washers on each side, tighten down,. with silicon between them and the rubbermaid to add just a little more seal to them. Those look to be working great. I'll see if I can find the bulkhead fittings tomorrow if possible. If they are heavy, might that be an issue for the plastic to support? An Improvised PVC Bulkhead Fitting for Liquid Storage Tanks http://www.truetex.com/bulkhead.htm "...plastic electrical conduit fittings are the secret ingredient to improvising a bulkhead fitting." Rubbermaid Commercial Products 5050-12 Stock Tank Drain Plug Kit , $20.40 http://tinyurl.com/2l542w http://www.rcpworksmarter.com/rcp/pr...egoryID_rcpNum =507_5050-12&categoryID_subcategoryID_rcpNum=507_555_5050-12 |
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Rubbermaid glue report: Forget Gorilla Glue
Doug Brown" wrote in message
... This really isn't that tough, and google should be your friend. True, but as you just said, you got TONS of hits.. and after trying about 8 different ways to attach fitting to the rubbermaid, I don;t want to screw it up, and I don't want to deal with leaks and tearing the whole thing apart a week from now. It's not like there's a "build your own pond filter" website, with specs, part numbers and order info. I went through similar issues last year building the smaller filter, and not once was adding a bulkhead even mentioned. After seeing th epics the last poster posted of what they look like, it all makes good sense now, and looks doable. With any luck, the local farm supply store will have them. otherwise, I'll have to order parts over the web. -- Gareee (Gary Tabar Jr.) |
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Rubbermaid glue report: Forget Gorilla Glue
On Mon, 28 May 2007 14:16:18 CST, "Gareee©"
wrote: I could use shoo goo (by the Goop people, and put a very generous amount on both the interior and exterior. another thought, was to put it first on the pvc pipe itself, so there's already a rubber "gasket" around it, and then use it ac I described above.. I'd think the goop then would bond well to itself. DS said he roughed up the surface of the Rubbermaid before applying. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Rubbermaid glue report: Forget Gorilla Glue
Gareee© wrote:
Doug Brown" wrote in message ... This really isn't that tough, and google should be your friend. True, but as you just said, you got TONS of hits.. and after trying about 8 different ways to attach fitting to the rubbermaid, I don;t want to screw it up, and I don't want to deal with leaks and tearing the whole thing apart a week from now. It's not like there's a "build your own pond filter" website, with specs, part numbers and order info. There isn't? Too bad, I know there used to be some (OK, perhaps not so far as "order info" but with specific part availability). -- derek - Unless otherwise noted, I speak for myself, not rec.ponds.moderated moderators. |
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