Please discuss.....

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:25:46 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:

Please discuss.....
Depends.If its the persons pond thats there problem, if they have no
respect for their well fish, thats their problem. HOwever its not even
close to being correct or acceptable to dump a fish in any ones pond
if its not your pond, and no fish should be dumped arbitrarily into
any pond if it has a disease that may be susceptible to
spreading....no matter who owns the fish or ponds, the fish needs to
be QT away form all other water sources and fish and predators, or
euthanizeds......I am sure no one is going to let any one dump a fish
with a disease in to their pond if they know upfront that fish is
sick......normal folks do not do that. However if a person was to lie
to a rancher or farmer and say , I have a fish I need to find a
house for and it will do fine in that water hole yu got there.....can
I put it inthe water hole or stock pond......I can see that happen,
but if that fish is sick even if its not a contageous type, it should
not be done, as everyone doe snot know what is what with fish, and if
fish are caught out of that pond and you see a sick looking fish as
such, would you eat those bream or bass or any other fish out of that
water....don;t think so......! I can just about bet a person caught
dumping anyitng in my ponds would have a lot more to worry about than
merely looking for a place to dump a fish, and if they tired to slide
the wool over my eyes and not inform me it was sick there would
certianly be hell to pay. Why is it folks can say to QT QT QT, before
they put a fish into their own pond, yet pay no attention to QT when
it means dumping a fish and getting it out of their hands....QT means
little to nothing at that point and thats is irresponsible and
ignorant........

Out of sight out of mind does not cut it.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"Tristan" wrote in message
news

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:25:46 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:

Please discuss.....
Depends.If its the persons pond thats there problem, if they have no
respect for their well fish, thats their problem. HOwever its not even
close to being correct or acceptable to dump a fish in any ones pond
if its not your pond, and no fish should be dumped arbitrarily into
any pond if it has a disease that may be susceptible to
spreading....no matter who owns the fish or ponds, the fish needs to
be QT away form all other water sources and fish and predators, or
euthanizeds......I am sure no one is going to let any one dump a fish
with a disease in to their pond if they know upfront that fish is
sick......normal folks do not do that. However if a person was to lie
to a rancher or farmer and say , I have a fish I need to find a
house for and it will do fine in that water hole yu got there.....can
I put it inthe water hole or stock pond......I can see that happen,
but if that fish is sick even if its not a contageous type, it should
not be done, as everyone doe snot know what is what with fish, and if
fish are caught out of that pond and you see a sick looking fish as
such, would you eat those bream or bass or any other fish out of that
water....don;t think so......! I can just about bet a person caught
dumping anyitng in my ponds would have a lot more to worry about than
merely looking for a place to dump a fish, and if they tired to slide
the wool over my eyes and not inform me it was sick there would
certianly be hell to pay. Why is it folks can say to QT QT QT, before
they put a fish into their own pond, yet pay no attention to QT when
it means dumping a fish and getting it out of their hands....QT means
little to nothing at that point and thats is irresponsible and
ignorant........

Out of sight out of mind does not cut it.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:25:46 +0000, Gill Passman wrote:

Please discuss.....

I wouldn't do it. Now if you take a crippled (fin loss), lost coloration,
or cull. I see no harm. But sick/disease is a tricky wicket. One could be
exposing the whole pond to something that can never be removed. Also, even
if a bird eats the fish right there, parasites and such can be carried on
thru their feces to other places. In a well cared for ornamental pond,
there is usually less bacteria, and either water treatments are added etc.
so a sushi meal from a well cared for pond is going to be less problematic,
then from a stock pond.

Just for our own pond's health we may want to not have the same fish types
in stock tanks near us. Just a thought, most likely impossible, but just a
thought. ~ jan

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:45:32 -0600, Tristan
wrote:

Please discuss.....
Depends.If its the persons pond thats there problem, if they have no
respect for their well fish, thats their problem. HOwever its not even
close to being correct or acceptable to dump a fish in any ones pond
if its not your pond

OH man! Now this is a hot topic for me. I take care of the filter on the
Master Garden Demonstration Garden's pond, and you can't believe how many
people dump fish on us. It is so irritating, but what is even more
irritating, was when we get them grown up to a nice size and they come and
steal them. I'm not even talking nice koi, just big. What people will do to
a public pond is just beyond me. ~ jan

Hmmmm. I did not realize Carol Gulley lived so close to you Jan! :-)
I bet one of her socks is doing it!


On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:50:07 GMT, ~ jan
wrote:

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:45:32 -0600, Tristan
wrote:

Please discuss.....
Depends.If its the persons pond thats there problem, if they have no
respect for their well fish, thats their problem. HOwever its not even
close to being correct or acceptable to dump a fish in any ones pond
if its not your pond

OH man! Now this is a hot topic for me. I take care of the filter on the
Master Garden Demonstration Garden's pond, and you can't believe how many
people dump fish on us. It is so irritating, but what is even more
irritating, was when we get them grown up to a nice size and they come and
steal them. I'm not even talking nice koi, just big. What people will do to
a public pond is just beyond me. ~ jan



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

"~ jan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:45:32 -0600, Tristan
wrote:

Please discuss.....
Depends.If its the persons pond thats there problem, if they have no
respect for their well fish, thats their problem. HOwever its not even
close to being correct or acceptable to dump a fish in any ones pond
if its not your pond

OH man! Now this is a hot topic for me. I take care of the filter on the
Master Garden Demonstration Garden's pond, and you can't believe how many
people dump fish on us.

No fence? No signs?

It is so irritating, but what is even more
irritating, was when we get them grown up to a nice size and they come and
steal them. I'm not even talking nice koi, just big. What people will do
to
a public pond is just beyond me. ~ jan

Here we ask the farmers if it's ok and I never had one refuse to take my
culls. Most don't survive due to the predators but while there, they're good
mosquito control. It's better than euthanizing (sp?) and burying them.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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"~ jan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:25:46 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:

Please discuss.....

I wouldn't do it. Now if you take a crippled (fin loss), lost coloration,
or cull. I see no harm. But sick/disease is a tricky wicket.

Really? That would depend on the stock pond and fish's problem.

One could be
exposing the whole pond to something that can never be removed.

Like what? What parasite or virus survives months in a fishless pond?

Also, even
if a bird eats the fish right there, parasites and such can be carried on
thru their feces to other places.

Just like they can with ALL un-netted ponds. :-) Better get that net Jan!
You know as well as I do that there is no such thing as a pond 100% free of
"something." You have no idea what may be on your fish that's being spread
to other ponds.

In a well cared for ornamental pond,
there is usually less bacteria, and either water treatments are added etc.
so a sushi meal from a well cared for pond is going to be less
problematic,
then from a stock pond.

Why less bacteria and what hard would bacteria do wildlife well equipped to
deal with native bacteria? There may well be fish with worse diseases in an
ornamental pond (spring viremia anyone? How about contagious ulcers?) than
some man-made farm pond. So you see why it's so important for YOU and
everyone else to net their ponds - right? I never saw any type of disease
in the wild here in 25 years - I did see assorted disease and parasites in
ornamental ponds.


Just for our own pond's health we may want to not have the same fish types
in stock tanks near us. Just a thought, most likely impossible, but just a
thought. ~ jan

To protect nature from any diseases our ornamental fish are bring in (from
all over the world) I know you agree all ponds should be netted to keep out
herons large enough to carry fish from our ponds and drop them in nearby
rivers and lakes. You can recommend ACE as the place for netting. They can
get you any size you need.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:34:11 -0600, Zëbulon wrote:

Like what? What parasite or virus survives months in a fishless pond?

The life of SVC living in mud has been documented to 6 months and currently
they're claiming that isn't a for sure bet that it is only 6. KHV is
unknown.

You have no idea what may be on your fish that's being spread
to other ponds.

You're right, but so far I haven't lost a koi with my scarecrow and various
other deterrents. I plan something else for the lily pond this year, as I
apparently had a kingfish nipping them off one by one last year.

I never saw any type of disease in the wild here in 25 years -

I see plenty of dead carp on the banks of the river, every time I've taken
a stroll down there. Do you go walk your waterways, ever? You say you have
Great Blue Heron in your area, but have never seen one of those either. So
you have to see to believe?

To protect nature from any diseases our ornamental fish are bring in (from
all over the world) I know you agree all ponds should be netted to keep out
herons large enough to carry fish from our ponds and drop them in nearby
rivers and lakes. You can recommend ACE as the place for netting. They can
get you any size you need.

I guess you'll stop stocking the local stock ponds... or buying enough
netting to cover them too? ~ jan

"~ jan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:34:11 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:

Like what? What parasite or virus survives months in a fishless pond?

The life of SVC living in mud has been documented to 6 months and
currently
they're claiming that isn't a for sure bet that it is only 6. KHV is
unknown.

Well we don't have that problem here. I never even heard of a case of that
in my area.

You have no idea what may be on your fish that's being spread
to other ponds.

You're right, but so far I haven't lost a koi with my scarecrow and
various
other deterrents. I plan something else for the lily pond this year, as I
apparently had a kingfish nipping them off one by one last year.

We have Kingfishers here. Nothing works but a net. My neighbors found that
out. They recently had to replace the net thanks to several birds going
right through it! No fish were lost but releasing the birds was a major PIA
he said.

I never saw any type of disease in the wild here in 25 years -

I see plenty of dead carp on the banks of the river, every time I've taken
a stroll down there. Do you go walk your waterways, ever?

Yes. I live right my Percy Priest lake. I can walk there. So far I only saw
one dead half eaten fish on the bank.

You say you have
Great Blue Heron in your area, but have never seen one of those either. So
you have to see to believe?

No - YOU said they're all over the USA. I didn't say that. I said we may
have them here, then but I never saw them.

To protect nature from any diseases our ornamental fish are bring in (from
all over the world) I know you agree all ponds should be netted to keep
out
herons large enough to carry fish from our ponds and drop them in nearby
rivers and lakes. You can recommend ACE as the place for netting. They
can
get you any size you need.

I guess you'll stop stocking the local stock ponds... or buying enough
netting to cover them too? ~ jan

Why should I? I'm not the one worried about it, you are. I'm more concerned
about the illegal shooting of herons by ornamental pond owners, and illegal
poaching then a extremely rare great blue Heron suddenly showing up out of
the blue to carry off culls to some waterway.

Some people with stock ponds here buy cheap feeders (and we know how they're
diseased) and put them in their stock tanks and ponds for mosquito control.
Shall we pass a law to stop this practice least a big Heron start carrying
them around and possibly drop them in some natural waterway?
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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