"REBEL JOE" wrote in message
...
I don't use any soil in my lillys and they do fine. I use those baskets
with just river rock in them.
=============================
I tried that several years ago and my lilies didn't do well in the gravel at
all. They were small, the leaves were small and pale and there were few
flowers. Several didn't survive the winter. However, my water iris and
most other plants will do fairly well in a fine gravel (not sand). I think
I'm going to eliminate the pond pots and use the regular solid side pots
from now on.
--
Carol...
My website:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
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"REBEL JOE" wrote in message
...
I don't use any soil in my lillys and they do fine. I use those baskets
with just river rock in them.
=============================
I tried that several years ago and my lilies didn't do well in the gravel at
all. They were small, the leaves were small and pale and there were few
flowers. Several didn't survive the winter. However, my water iris and
most other plants will do fairly well in a fine gravel (not sand). I think
I'm going to eliminate the pond pots and use the regular solid side pots
from now on.
--
Carol...
My website:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
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"Hal" wrote in message
...
Lily pots have always been a bit of a problem for me and the best
choice I found was 3 gallon paint buckets, but they fill up in a
season.

** Yep! And with a good fertilizer even before the season ends. They do
seem to prefer what another person already mentioned... large shallow pots.

Last year I tried one lily in part of a 30 gallon plastic barrel and
it bloomed really well. I use garden soil and cover it with stones.
I do wonder how I'm going to get it out of the pond when I have to
re-pot, probably next year.

** With a crane! :-) That's why I never use anything without at least
one drainage hole in the bottom. I lug it to the side and sit it there until
most of the water drains out so it's a manageable weight. But a 30 gallon
barrel???!?!?!!?
--
Carol...
My website:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
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"REBEL JOE" wrote in message
...
I don't use any soil in my lillys and they do fine. I use those baskets
with just river rock in them.
=============================
I tried that several years ago and my lilies didn't do well in the gravel at
all. They were small, the leaves were small and pale and there were few
flowers. Several didn't survive the winter. However, my water iris and
most other plants will do fairly well in a fine gravel (not sand). I think
I'm going to eliminate the pond pots and use the regular solid side pots
from now on.
--
Carol...
My website:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@

"REBEL JOE" wrote in message
...
I don't use any soil in my lillys and they do fine. I use those baskets
with just river rock in them.
=============================
I tried that several years ago and my lilies didn't do well in the gravel at
all. They were small, the leaves were small and pale and there were few
flowers. Several didn't survive the winter. However, my water iris and
most other plants will do fairly well in a fine gravel (not sand). I think
I'm going to eliminate the pond pots and use the regular solid side pots
from now on.
--
Carol...
My website:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@

"Gary" wrote in message
om...
I have over 100 blooms every season.
Anyway, I've had this plant for about 10 years now, and when it starts
to get out of control, I just hack part of it off and give it to
friends who have ponds. People sometimes shudder when they hear about
how roughly I treat my lilies, but these plants are tough as hell, so
I don't worry about them. They are just beautiful year after year
with almost no special care.
=================
Surely your lilies are rooted into the rock and feed on debris down at the
bottom. My lilies are in rubber lined ponds that are cleaned out at least
every other year. There isn't much to root into on the liners. And for
added interest I move the plants around a little each spring. I have little
choice but to grow them in some kind of pots.
--
Carol...
My website:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@

"REBEL JOE" wrote in message
...
I don't use any soil in my lillys and they do fine. I use those baskets
with just river rock in them.
=============================
I tried that several years ago and my lilies didn't do well in the gravel at
all. They were small, the leaves were small and pale and there were few
flowers. Several didn't survive the winter. However, my water iris and
most other plants will do fairly well in a fine gravel (not sand). I think
I'm going to eliminate the pond pots and use the regular solid side pots
from now on.
--
Carol...
My website:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@

"Hal" wrote in message
...
Lily pots have always been a bit of a problem for me and the best
choice I found was 3 gallon paint buckets, but they fill up in a
season.

** Yep! And with a good fertilizer even before the season ends. They do
seem to prefer what another person already mentioned... large shallow pots.

Last year I tried one lily in part of a 30 gallon plastic barrel and
it bloomed really well. I use garden soil and cover it with stones.
I do wonder how I'm going to get it out of the pond when I have to
re-pot, probably next year.

** With a crane! :-) That's why I never use anything without at least
one drainage hole in the bottom. I lug it to the side and sit it there until
most of the water drains out so it's a manageable weight. But a 30 gallon
barrel???!?!?!!?
--
Carol...
My website:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@

"Hal" wrote in message
...
Lily pots have always been a bit of a problem for me and the best
choice I found was 3 gallon paint buckets, but they fill up in a
season.

** Yep! And with a good fertilizer even before the season ends. They do
seem to prefer what another person already mentioned... large shallow pots.

Last year I tried one lily in part of a 30 gallon plastic barrel and
it bloomed really well. I use garden soil and cover it with stones.
I do wonder how I'm going to get it out of the pond when I have to
re-pot, probably next year.

** With a crane! :-) That's why I never use anything without at least
one drainage hole in the bottom. I lug it to the side and sit it there until
most of the water drains out so it's a manageable weight. But a 30 gallon
barrel???!?!?!!?
--
Carol...
My website:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@

"Gary" wrote in message
om...
I have over 100 blooms every season.
Anyway, I've had this plant for about 10 years now, and when it starts
to get out of control, I just hack part of it off and give it to
friends who have ponds. People sometimes shudder when they hear about
how roughly I treat my lilies, but these plants are tough as hell, so
I don't worry about them. They are just beautiful year after year
with almost no special care.
=================
Surely your lilies are rooted into the rock and feed on debris down at the
bottom. My lilies are in rubber lined ponds that are cleaned out at least
every other year. There isn't much to root into on the liners. And for
added interest I move the plants around a little each spring. I have little
choice but to grow them in some kind of pots.
--
Carol...
My website:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@

"~ Windsong ~" wrote in message
...

"Gary" wrote in message
om...
I have over 100 blooms every season.
Anyway, I've had this plant for about 10 years now, and when it starts
to get out of control, I just hack part of it off and give it to
friends who have ponds. People sometimes shudder when they hear about
how roughly I treat my lilies, but these plants are tough as hell, so
I don't worry about them. They are just beautiful year after year
with almost no special care.
=================
Surely your lilies are rooted into the rock and feed on debris down at the
bottom. My lilies are in rubber lined ponds that are cleaned out at least
every other year. There isn't much to root into on the liners. And for
added interest I move the plants around a little each spring. I have
little
choice but to grow them in some kind of pots.
--
Carol...
My website:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@


My pond is rubber lined and I just let the lilies go. They form a large root
mass in the bottom. I cleaned it out a few years ago but don't even bother
now (welll.... I am considering it this year) Could be mine jump the pots
because I don't feed them much, but they grow and bloom just fine.
JD
http://www2.itexas.net/jdstone

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 01:49:54 -0600, "~ Windsong ~"
wrote:

"Steve J. Noll" wrote in message
.. .
suggestions

I use 18-inch diameter 7-inch deep plastic pots from Home Depot.
No holes.

## Ok, this is what I was asking - do the hardy lilies thrive in a solid pot
or perhaps one with only one bottom hole. I wasn't sure if their roots
needed more water circulation than a solid wall pot allowed. I can look for
these pots at my Home Depot here in TN. I already have a few I used as
planters for the porch last summer. :-)

I want to minimize fertilizer leaching into the water which will in
turn feed algae. So, my pots have no holes. Water circulation around
the roots is not necessary. This doesn't mean that you can't use a
basket with holes, or one made of mesh. Many approaches will work.

I've heard that hardy lilies want large diameter shallow
pots. Last season I used the Schultz Aquatic soil - it's like a
ceramic and is perfectly clean. I'm getting ready to re-pot now and
will be using a mix of that, composted steer manure, and a little 'Koi
Clay'.

## What is koi clay? Our native clay grows beautiful water lilies. I add
some rose fertilizer sticks and Ironite to the potting soil (clean clay from
our own land). I try and do them every year because they grow so rapidly.
I hope to take new pics for my website this coming summer, now that I have a
digital camera and better photo processing software.

Koi Clay is a supplement that some fish keepers add to their pond
water. It is usually in the form of a very fine powder and is a
source of many minerals. It is also known as calcium montmorillonite
and calcium bentonite. Do a Google seach for this somewhat over-hyped
product.

Clay soil seems to be popular, but I don't have access to
any. I tried aKwatik fertilizers last year but found they clogged too
easily. Making my own this year.

## What clogged too easily? Your filter????

The aKwatiks themselves. I feel that basically their diameter is too
small. I even tried experiments with different brands of lily tabs to
find the one that dissolved the most completely, but it still clogged
the aKwatik.

Steve J. Noll | Ventura California
| Glass Block Pond http://www.kissingfrogs.tv

--
Carol...
My website:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
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Steve J. Noll | Ventura California
| Glass Block Pond http://www.kissingfrogs.tv

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 02:01:00 -0600, "~ Windsong ~"
wrote:

** With a crane! :-) That's why I never use anything without at least
one drainage hole in the bottom. I lug it to the side and sit it there until
most of the water drains out so it's a manageable weight. But a 30 gallon
barrel???!?!?!!?

Yes, it is a nice size. Don't let the term barrel throw you, it is
only about 19" in diameter and a bit over 6" deep. (A mere 10 gallon
container.) I did put three holes near the top for a rope cradle just
in case I have to use a saw horse and long pole to lift it out.
I'm pretty excited about the way the lily in it bloomed last year and
looking forward to adding another pot like it this year.

Regards,

Hal

"~ Windsong ~" wrote in message
...

"Gary" wrote in message
om...
I have over 100 blooms every season.
Anyway, I've had this plant for about 10 years now, and when it starts
to get out of control, I just hack part of it off and give it to
friends who have ponds. People sometimes shudder when they hear about
how roughly I treat my lilies, but these plants are tough as hell, so
I don't worry about them. They are just beautiful year after year
with almost no special care.
=================
Surely your lilies are rooted into the rock and feed on debris down at the
bottom. My lilies are in rubber lined ponds that are cleaned out at least
every other year. There isn't much to root into on the liners. And for
added interest I move the plants around a little each spring. I have
little
choice but to grow them in some kind of pots.
--
Carol...
My website:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@ ~~~~~~~~~{@


My pond is rubber lined and I just let the lilies go. They form a large root
mass in the bottom. I cleaned it out a few years ago but don't even bother
now (welll.... I am considering it this year) Could be mine jump the pots
because I don't feed them much, but they grow and bloom just fine.
JD
http://www2.itexas.net/jdstone

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 01:49:54 -0600, "~ Windsong ~"
wrote:

"Steve J. Noll" wrote in message
.. .
suggestions

I use 18-inch diameter 7-inch deep plastic pots from Home Depot.
No holes.

## Ok, this is what I was asking - do the hardy lilies thrive in a solid pot
or perhaps one with only one bottom hole. I wasn't sure if their roots
needed more water circulation than a solid wall pot allowed. I can look for
these pots at my Home Depot here in TN. I already have a few I used as
planters for the porch last summer. :-)

I want to minimize fertilizer leaching into the water which will in
turn feed algae. So, my pots have no holes. Water circulation around
the roots is not necessary. This doesn't mean that you can't use a
basket with holes, or one made of mesh. Many approaches will work.

I've heard that hardy lilies want large diameter shallow
pots. Last season I used the Schultz Aquatic soil - it's like a
ceramic and is perfectly clean. I'm getting ready to re-pot now and
will be using a mix of that, composted steer manure, and a little 'Koi
Clay'.

## What is koi clay? Our native clay grows beautiful water lilies. I add
some rose fertilizer sticks and Ironite to the potting soil (clean clay from
our own land). I try and do them every year because they grow so rapidly.
I hope to take new pics for my website this coming summer, now that I have a
digital camera and better photo processing software.

Koi Clay is a supplement that some fish keepers add to their pond
water. It is usually in the form of a very fine powder and is a
source of many minerals. It is also known as calcium montmorillonite
and calcium bentonite. Do a Google seach for this somewhat over-hyped
product.

Clay soil seems to be popular, but I don't have access to
any. I tried aKwatik fertilizers last year but found they clogged too
easily. Making my own this year.

## What clogged too easily? Your filter????

The aKwatiks themselves. I feel that basically their diameter is too
small. I even tried experiments with different brands of lily tabs to
find the one that dissolved the most completely, but it still clogged
the aKwatik.

Steve J. Noll | Ventura California
| Glass Block Pond http://www.kissingfrogs.tv

--
Carol...
My website:
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
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Steve J. Noll | Ventura California
| Glass Block Pond http://www.kissingfrogs.tv