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Bareroot vs. potted
I am starting a hybrid tea rose garden. I can buy container roses (2
liter) for $20. each. I can buy #1-1 1/2 bareroot for $12. I have no experience with bareroot, but believe I can successfully plant them. Both companies offer a 100% guarantee, in case they die. Which option would you choose? Bill |
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"William Barger" wrote in message ... I am starting a hybrid tea rose garden. I can buy container roses (2 liter) for $20. each. I can buy #1-1 1/2 bareroot for $12. I have no experience with bareroot, but believe I can successfully plant them. Both companies offer a 100% guarantee, in case they die. Which option would you choose? Bill Look at the condition of the plant, that should be the biggest deciding factor. However I personally prefer bareroot roses. How many canes are on the potted or bare root? Look for atleast 3-4 canes each about the thickness of your small finger. There should be no split canes or broken canes, which suggest mishandling in transportation. Bare roots can start to break dormancy, but multiple leaf clusters are bad. Look at the condition of the root stock. Good bare roots have 3-4 good anchor roots, about 18" long. Again no broken anchor roots, no signs of drying out. Read this guide, for more info. http://www.brackengardens.com/barerootnewpage.cfm No matter what you decide, don't let the plants produce too many flowers, prune the buds so it can establish good roots. But nobody buys a rose bush for the leaves and thorns, so enjoy a few flowers. |
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"William Barger" wrote in message
... I am starting a hybrid tea rose garden. I can buy container roses (2 liter) for $20. each. I can buy #1-1 1/2 bareroot for $12. I have no experience with bareroot, but believe I can successfully plant them. Both companies offer a 100% guarantee, in case they die. Which option would you choose? Bill Generally I've chosen the plants first, then in whatever form I could find them. I've even bought well under-age roses (I think they're called "slips") and had some grow like weeds and be very hardy. Bareroot are pickier to plant than potted, but once established should be just as healthy (depending on the variety, of course). So - if you can get plants you want and don't mind the bit of extra work with bareroot, then go with bareroot. Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 |
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They are mail order so I cannot see them before buying.
Bill |
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"William Barger" wrote in message
... They are mail order so I cannot see them before buying. Bill When I wrote: "I've chosen the plants first", I meant I knew which varieties I wanted by name. You know which *varieties* you're buying, right? I mean, you're not ordering any old reds, yellows, etc. You're picking roses by name, for example, Mr. Lincoln. I'm not saying *you* will order Mr. Lincoln, I'm simply giving Mr. Lincoln as an example of a HT red. My point was, if you can get the roses you want (the *varieties* you want), then by all means go for the cheaper bareroot roses, given that you can get the same sort of guarantee as on the potted roses. Which roses do you plan to order? Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 |
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I ordered 8 roses online today. I want a garden with a theme. Already
have a butterfly, vegetable, and bird gardens. I decided on a patriotic theme incorporating only red, white, and blue flowers. I ordered Mr. Lincoln, Let Freedom Ring, JFK, Veterans Honor, Ronald Reagan, and Double Delight. These were all container roses. Ordered two Blue Girl which are bareroot, so I will get some bareroot experience. Low growing Blue Daze will be utilized for more blue since no true blue rose exists. The front couple feet will be exclusively for annuals. First planting will be blue Lobelia, and red and white Zinnia Elegans. When it gets hotter I will plant red and white saliva. Two birdfeeders, a birdbath, and a blue gazing ball will also be incorporated. I will be widening the garden by 2' and adding 4' in length. Got all the amendments (cow poo, bone meal, epsom salts, potting soil, and mulch) yesterday. It was down in the 50s today, too cold to work outside. Some of you Northerners just gave me a dirty look. : ) I will keep you posted as to the garden's progress. Thanks for the advice. Bill |
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Both TEAS and Robertson's rose shops where I buy most of my plants
purchase bare root roses from Weeks and Jackson and Perkins and pot them. Then, they sell them as potted plants. Same for LOWE"S and Home Depot. I don't know of ANY rose shop that sell plants that are truly potted, whatever that term means today. Once that term meant a plant that had been grown in a pot, now it just refers to a plant that has dirt in a pot around a bare rooted plant. The container plant may have a head start on bare root but not by much. The bare root is easier to trim and plant also you can select a better root system. I think bare root is best. Joe T Baytown, TX |
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"jtill" wrote in message
oups.com... Both TEAS and Robertson's rose shops where I buy most of my plants purchase bare root roses from Weeks and Jackson and Perkins and pot them. Then, they sell them as potted plants. Same for LOWE"S and Home Depot. I don't know of ANY rose shop that sell plants that are truly potted, whatever that term means today. Once that term meant a plant that had been grown in a pot, now it just refers to a plant that has dirt in a pot around a bare rooted plant. The container plant may have a head start on bare root but not by much. The bare root is easier to trim and plant also you can select a better root system. I think bare root is best. Joe T Baytown, TX One of my local nurseries has switched to selling potted roses, rather than buying bare roots and potting them up themselves. They told me it's easier for them to let someone else do the work and it doesn't cut into their profit any more than the method they used to use. Plus, the roses have been in pots larger and are better established by the time the nursery starts selling them. Other local nurseries are still doing it themselves, so it appears to be an individual store decision. I've planted roses in all forms so it doesn't matter to me. Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 |
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Do you leave the roses in pots for a while? I got several from
Robertson;s and repotted them. They were not ready, had little new roots, must have been in the pot only a short time. So, I picked up four from TEAS and am letting them stay in the pot for a while, let the roots grab the pot soil to make repotting easier and hopefully better. I sold my business and house and am now renting, looking for a new home like that ole Bole Weavil!, anyway, am potting all my roses in 16" pots and have installed a drip irrigation system for them. Want to see how that works. They are doing fine so far. If I ever have a home won't leave them behind. I plan to keep them pruned to fit their pots, say about 3' by 3', should be interesting. Later when I really plant them I will use the drip system. My bunch is; Tiffany, Chrysler Imp., Fourth of July, Fragrant Hour, Double Delight, Sun Sprite and Granada. Fourth of July and Granada are new to me, the others are old friends. What do you think? Joe T Baytown |
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"jtill" wrote in message
oups.com... Do you leave the roses in pots for a while? Depends. One nursery I bought a potted rose from a month ago said the roses had recently been potted and I should wait to plant them. Since the planting hole wasn't ready yet, that suited my schedule fine. But I've had roses in pots for months whose root balls still almost fell apart when I took them out later on, so I'm just super careful when I remove any potted rose from its container. I got several from Robertson;s and repotted them. They were not ready, had little new roots, must have been in the pot only a short time. So, I picked up four from TEAS and am letting them stay in the pot for a while, let the roots grab the pot soil to make repotting easier and hopefully better. Makes sense to me. I've grown roses from cuttings and have done the same thing you did - repotted to let them grow out in a larger pot before planting. I sold my business and house and am now renting, looking for a new home like that ole Bole Weavil!, anyway, am potting all my roses in 16" pots and have installed a drip irrigation system for them. Want to see how that works. They are doing fine so far. If I ever have a home won't leave them behind. I plan to keep them pruned to fit their pots, say about 3' by 3', should be interesting. Later when I really plant them I will use the drip system. My bunch is; Tiffany, Chrysler Imp., Fourth of July, Fragrant Hour, Double Delight, Sun Sprite and Granada. Fourth of July and Granada are new to me, the others are old friends. What do you think? Joe T Baytown I think it's a great idea. On the one hand I would happily leave most of my 150 roses behind when I move so I can start over. On the other hand there are a couple roses that were hard to find in the first place, and I'll either grow babies from cuttings or do as you did and take the original rose along when I move. Also, I recall someone who used to post here a lot who had all of his roses in pots because he really had no place to plant them. I think he lives in AZ on a smallish lot. Having roses in pots can work. Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 |
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Speaking of hard to find, sure would like to have a Cl. Double Delight.
No luck so far and I have worn a hole in Google searching. I had one once (I think), long gone today. jt Near Houston |
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"jtill" wrote in message
ups.com... Speaking of hard to find, sure would like to have a Cl. Double Delight. No luck so far and I have worn a hole in Google searching. I had one once (I think), long gone today. jt Near Houston Have you tried contacting the Houston Rose Society to see if anyone local has Cl. Double Delight and would share a cutting? As another possibility, I believe you can ask on the rose forum (see link below) if anyone has the rose and would be willing to send you a cutting. I think that's not a problem in the CONUS or Canada but roses from overseas require some sort of permit and quarantine. You probably don't want to go that route, but the USDA site should have the info. if you're interested. http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/roses/ Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 |
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Good advice Gail, will work on it!
JT Near Houston TX |
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"jtill" wrote in message
ups.com... Good advice Gail, will work on it! JT Near Houston TX The one thing I just remembered is there's some limit on cuttings from patented roses based on when they were first offered in commerce. I.e., I wouldn't hesitate to give away cuttings from any old garden rose since they're all old, but don't be surprised if some rose person tells you it's not legal to take cuttings from more recent plants. Sorry I didn't think of that when I posted earlier. It's still worth asking the question... Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 |
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Bill,
I have a patriotic garden in the front of our property:red geraniums, blue salvia and blue hydrangea,white daisies,impatiens,phylox. I like your idea, I'll plant red roses! Unfortunately, the wind chill is in the teens and the temperature was near 20! I'm up north in NY Linda,Copake,NY |
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