this is my first time here. i bought my first rose bush and need some
suggestions on how to plant it . i live in minnesota don't know which
zone that is,
i have a blue girl rose, it has a rose on it , a really beautiful one
that is so fragrant, and a new bud. i'm just in love with this plant
and i don't want to kill it. so if anyone could tell me what i should
do i would really appreciate it, i know i should have done more
research before buying one but i saw it and i just had to have it!
and if anyone could suggest any web sites on roses that would be great,
thanks !

susan

Help! not blue girl again.
People get one bloom from this rose
and they get all weepy. Unless
a rose produces arms full of roses
for me it has no place here.

Grin!!

Back on topic Minnesota is almost
definitely in Z4 or colder. And this rose
is not known for cold tolerance.
So don't get too attached, its not gonna
be around next year. You can grow it as an annual.
Sorry about the brutal language.

--
Theo in Zone 5
Kansas City

"Susan Witthuhn" wrote in message
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this is my first time here. i bought my first rose bush and need some
suggestions on how to plant it . i live in minnesota don't know which
zone that is,
i have a blue girl rose, it has a rose on it , a really beautiful one
that is so fragrant, and a new bud. i'm just in love with this plant
and i don't want to kill it. so if anyone could tell me what i should
do i would really appreciate it, i know i should have done more
research before buying one but i saw it and i just had to have it!
and if anyone could suggest any web sites on roses that would be great,
thanks !

susan

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says...

this is my first time here. i bought my first rose bush and need some
suggestions on how to plant it . i live in minnesota don't know which
zone that is,
i have a blue girl rose, it has a rose on it , a really beautiful one
that is so fragrant, and a new bud. i'm just in love with this plant
and i don't want to kill it. so if anyone could tell me what i should
do i would really appreciate it, i know i should have done more
research before buying one but i saw it and i just had to have it!
and if anyone could suggest any web sites on roses that would be great,
thanks !

susan

here's John's website, he lives in minnesota, don't think there's any kinda
bush he doesn't like. but especially roses.

http://home.earthlink.net/~passepartout/

as for your blue girl, you might disregard those who badmouth this rose or
tell you how long it's going to grow, the fact is that with planning and
precautions you can pretty much grow anything anywhere.
It's a great rose, has survived the decades because one, it's beautiful if
properly cultivated, and two, it has a name which no other 'Blue' Rose can
touch, and believe me, they've tried.
It's kinda like trying to catch a rose named 'Peace'. Or 'Blaze'. Noone's
done either. But check out John's site, that'd be a pretty smart thing.

As for keeping it alive a long time, plant it in a place with some protection
from whichever way the wind blows and plant it close to your house, south
facing, and in your best available dirt, for me that's native stuff, I don't
bother with mixing a third peat moss, a third premium, and a third native
anymore. Put super phosphate or bone meal in the bottom of the hole you use.
After it gets going, fertilize it with the cheapest rose fertilizer on sale,
or any kinduv Miracle Grow, etc. Never let the hole dry out, water it every
day. Good luck.

m

done either. But check out John's site, that'd be a pretty smart thing.

As for keeping it alive a long time, plant it in a place with some
protection
from whichever way the wind blows and plant it close to your house, south
facing, and in your best available dirt, for me that's native stuff, I
don't
bother with mixing a third peat moss, a third premium, and a third native
anymore. Put super phosphate or bone meal in the bottom of the hole you
use.
After it gets going, fertilize it with the cheapest rose fertilizer on
sale,
or any kinduv Miracle Grow, etc. Never let the hole dry out, water it
every
day. Good luck.

I don't have the time to scan 'Johns' site
but I can't imagine he grows blue
girl any where but a greenhouse.

And all this work will be inconsequential
when the d*** thing croaks this winter.
And so we loose another potential rose lover.

Which zone do you exactly live in lms that
you so cavaliarly say grow it with out warning
her all the effort is of no use.

Having gone thru the heart break of losing 8
potted roses (+1 still in ICU) I would not
wish that experience on anyone.

--
Theo in Zone 5
Kansas City

"lms" wrote in message
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susan

here's John's website, he lives in minnesota, don't think there's any
kinda
bush he doesn't like. but especially roses.

http://home.earthlink.net/~passepartout/

Hey John,

what's the deal? I've seen what you call Vinca listed as Myrtle. Is there
a difference?

Ed Lucarini wrote:
"lms" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

susan

here's John's website, he lives in minnesota, don't think there's any

kinda

bush he doesn't like. but especially roses.

http://home.earthlink.net/~passepartout/


Hey John,

what's the deal? I've seen what you call Vinca listed as Myrtle. Is there
a difference?


Vinca minor is the proper name for the plant. The common name is
Periwinkle. It is a prostrate, creeping vine with lilac-blue flowers.
It is hardy to zone 4 and makes a nice ground cover in sun or shade.

See:
http://2bnthewild.com/plants/H89.htm
http://www.mobot.org/gardeninghelp/p...dem/U760.shtml
http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plan...nca_minor.html

Sometimes the name Myrtle is incorrectly applied to Periwinkle but
Myrtle is Myrtus communis, a tender shrub (zones 8-9) with creamy white
flowers. See:

http://ag.arizona.edu/pima/gardening..._communis.html
http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plan..._communis.html

--
Henry

In article 4c2c02b55dc7789bc5805752f7c1ee04@TeraNews,
says...

lms said:

...check out John's site, that'd be a pretty smart thing.

As for keeping it alive a long time, plant it in a place with some
protection
from whichever way the wind blows and plant it close to your house, south
facing, and in your best available dirt, for me that's native stuff, I
don't
bother with mixing a third peat moss, a third premium, and a third native
anymore. Put super phosphate or bone meal in the bottom of the hole you
use.
After it gets going, fertilize it with the cheapest rose fertilizer on
sale,
or any kinduv Miracle Grow, etc. Never let the hole dry out, water it
every
day. Good luck.

I don't have the time to scan 'Johns' site
but I can't imagine he grows blue
girl any where but a greenhouse.

well, 'Theo', I'd think that someone from Minnesota might be interested in
what someone else from Minnesota grows, and especially someone who lives his
life pushing the limits of plantdom.
Kolner Karneval, which is its registered name, aka Cologne Carnival, aka
Blue Girl, was introduced in 1964, and while some roses may survive on name
alone, there always has to be more to it than that. What do you think that
might be? This rose won a Gold Medal in Rome so it is certainly not the
slouch you have repetitively made it out to be.

Anyone who's ever grown Kardinal knows that every rose Kordes breeds isn't the
hardiest devil, but in the very first place, anyone growing anything in
Minnesota has to be prepared always to throw the dice and take their chances.


And all this work will be inconsequential
when the d*** thing croaks this winter.
And so we loose another potential rose lover.

I am positive this Minnesotan has looked around the neighborhood and seen
roses, and anyone who's been bitten by the bug is going to do what they have
to do. If this means replanting their fave rose every year, then so be it.
If this means hacking their rose to 6 inches, then burying it under an army
blanket, then I guess that's also an option.
But in any case telling someone their rose is a dog that won't grow is pretty
much anything but a fine how do you do.
What I would recommend, if anything in this color range, is Stainless Steel,
which is a horse of a rose. But even more than that I have a rule to plant
what I fancy, enjoy it while I can, and to not dwell too much upon what
died last year.



Which zone do you exactly live in lms that
you so cavaliarly say grow it with out warning
her all the effort is of no use.

I live in zone o. I've seen minus 15 degrees F here before. Single digits,
plus or minus, is not in the least rare. A normal winter morning is 15
degrees.
I'd venture that growing roses here is tougher than 'Kansas City' because
out there roses knowses it stays miserable longer. Out here--in central New
Mexico--we start getting some real nice days in February, and for prolonged
periods. Long enough to get the buds popping, then Zap! This year it was the
21 degree temps two nights in a row in mid-April. Did the roses, cherries,
peaches, and apples, most the apples. missed the pears, still lots of pears.



Having gone thru the heart break of losing 8
potted roses (+1 still in ICU) I would not
wish that experience on anyone.

I don't do pots, that would be certain death. But for some it's just a matter
of course taking them down to the basement or something when it's time.

m