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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
dave weil wrote in message . ..
On 8 Mar 2004 13:40:58 -0800, (Dan Gannon) wrote: I think fragrant miniatures have great potential, for use in planters and pots, both indoors and outdoors. I wanted to commend you on taking my "berating" in a positive spirit. You're probably less defensive than *I* would have been. Thanks, Dave. Actually, I think you weren't that harsh. Believe me, I've seen worse. :-) I didn't really want to respond to your response point by point, but I *did* want to respond to this point. Someone else alluded to this, but I think that you really shouldn't consider roses of any kind as an indoor plant. Sure, one might have limited success, but roses are really outdoor plants. The biggest problem isn't light - as you alluded to, lighting can be duplicated. The problem is that roses don't *generally* like to live in the same environment that most humans enjoy. They like open air and *generally* higher daytime temperatures than humans like. They don't particularly like to have their roots confined and they are easily affected by spider mites in "placid" air conditions (not to be confused with "air conditioning"). I suspect that they are genetically programmed to respond to the normal differences between day and night temperatures as well. I think there's truth to what you're saying. But I think it's possible to keep a miniature rose as a houseplant indefinitely, for three basic reasons: 1) Years ago, I successfully kept a miniature rose indoors for 3 years, before planting it outdoors. Granted, it grew more and produced more blooms outdoors, but it did pretty well indoors, after I learned how to control fungal infections. 2) I'm basically an optimist 3) I'm an experimenter (which feeds into #2) But (I hear you say now), that's the same as orchids, right? Well, sorta. However, orchids are different in that they are almost succulents and can withstand spider mites for a little longer than the paper thin leaves of miniature roses. Plus, they seem a little more suited to the kinds of climates that humans find comfortable (in that you can actually use lights to create little micro-climates - but again, circulation is key for them as well). There are certain places where you might be able to easily grow roses "indoors". I'm thinking of Southern California or Hawaiian rooms that might involve walled in porches and the like (you know, those wonderful homes that don't need air conditioning and you can leave open year round if yu choose). but for the average apartment dweller, I think it would be a stuggle to keep an indoor miniature rose happy for very long. Sure, you can have success for weeks or even months at a time, I suppose, but really, to be successful, the plant needs to breath fresh outdoor air instead of canned, recirculating air conditioned air, even if it's humidified. This is just a guess on my part. Perhaps, some research could be done to genetically breed strains of roses that are tolerant of indoor conditions. Since there are roses that grow in cooler climates, perhaps they could be developed to like similar temperatures to indoor conditions. That could be useful. When I grew that rose indoors for 3 years, it was in front of a huge, south-facing window. That area got quite cold in the winter, sometimes even below freezing, and pretty warm in the summer. Also, sometimes we opened the windows or took it outside, to give it some direct sunlight and fresh air. Oh yeah, the conversation around here is very cyclical, just like gardening is. We are about to get an increased volume of postings as people get out and putz around with their roses during growing season. We are now on the cusp of going from virtually no postings to an explosion of interest in gabbing about the hobby. Still, this is a fairly mature newsgroup (in terms of age - I know that *I'm* not particularly mature g). That means that many subjects are old hat and have been rehashed many times. So, a lot of the conversation in the coming months will be connected with helping newbies to the hobby and talking about new varieties. This doesn't mean that we don't like talking about roses though. I see what you're saying. I hadn't really been considering that sort of thing. As for maturity, I think it's often overrated, anyway. ;-) Well, now I think I'll retire to thoughts of pruning, fertilizing and wish-list making... Sounds like fun to me! Dan |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
Susan wrote:
BTW, Dan, thanks for the invite but I just can't join any mailing lists at this time. My problem is that I simly do not have the time to be involved with any more lists than I already am. With newsgroups, I can drop in and out as I desire and don't quite feel the obligation to contribute that I do with mailing lists. Actually Susan, Yahoo groups do not have to be used as mailing lists. When you sign up to a group you can select to only read the messages online rather than have the emails sent to you. I do this with a couple of Yahoo groups and it allows me to read/contribute as much or as little I like as time allows. In fact, I don't think you even have to be a member of this particular group to read the posts. Cheers, Kirra Brisbane, Australia |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
Hi Dave,
dave weil wrote in message . .. On 8 Mar 2004 13:40:58 -0800, (Dan Gannon) wrote: I think fragrant miniatures have great potential, for use in planters and pots, both indoors and outdoors. I wanted to commend you on taking my "berating" in a positive spirit. You're probably less defensive than *I* would have been. Thanks. I didn't think you were really that harsh. I guess you could say I've seen worse! I didn't really want to respond to your response point by point, but I *did* want to respond to this point. Someone else alluded to this, but I think that you really shouldn't consider roses of any kind as an indoor plant. Sure, one might have limited success, but roses are really outdoor plants. The biggest problem isn't light - as you alluded to, lighting can be duplicated. The problem is that roses don't *generally* like to live in the same environment that most humans enjoy. They like open air and *generally* higher daytime temperatures than humans like. They don't particularly like to have their roots confined and they are easily affected by spider mites in "placid" air conditions (not to be confused with "air conditioning"). I suspect that they are genetically programmed to respond to the normal differences between day and night temperatures as well. Probably true. But, years ago, I successfully kept a miniature rose as a house plant for 3 years, in front of a large South-facing window. After I learned to keep it from getting fungal infections, it grew and bloomed well. But when I finally planted it outside, it did even better. It was one of those unnamed cultivars, with red blooms. It never grew more than about 1.5 feet tall. Many of the varieties I see available today are more attractive than it was. But that rose lived for at least 12 years (that's the last time I checked on it... if it's alive today, it would be about 17 years old.) But (I hear you say now), that's the same as orchids, right? Well, sorta. However, orchids are different in that they are almost succulents and can withstand spider mites for a little longer than the paper thin leaves of miniature roses. Plus, they seem a little more suited to the kinds of climates that humans find comfortable (in that you can actually use lights to create little micro-climates - but again, circulation is key for them as well). There are certain places where you might be able to easily grow roses "indoors". I'm thinking of Southern California or Hawaiian rooms that might involve walled in porches and the like (you know, those wonderful homes that don't need air conditioning and you can leave open year round if yu choose). but for the average apartment dweller, I think it would be a stuggle to keep an indoor miniature rose happy for very long. Sure, you can have success for weeks or even months at a time, I suppose, but really, to be successful, the plant needs to breath fresh outdoor air instead of canned, recirculating air conditioned air, even if it's humidified. This is just a guess on my part. Judging from the success I had, keeping that miniature rose as a house plant, I'd say the major considerations to keeping it healthy we adequate light, relatively constant moisture without overwatering, and preventing fungus. (It never was infested with any parasites.) Preventing fungus turned out to be a simple matter of removing any fungus-infected foliage, and putting the plant out in the sunlight and fresh air for a time, before bringing it back inside. And spraying the plant's foliage with water was definitely a bad idea, as I quickly discovered. One thing that may have worked in that plant's favor is, the temperature in that windowsill fluctuated dramtically throughout the year. Sometimes freezing temperatures occurred there during the winters, and during the summer, it was definitely quite warm. That rose never lost all of its leaves, but it stop almost all of its growth during the winters, and spent at least 2 or 3 months every year without blooming. I think those may have been an important considerations. Something else I noticed, high humidity indoors tended to cause the rose to get fungal infections. But the occasional nibbling by my house-cat didn't seem to hurt it at all. ;-) Perhaps, some research could be done to genetically breed strains of roses that are tolerant of indoor conditions. Since there are roses that grow in cooler climates, perhaps they could be developed to like similar temperatures to indoor conditions. Yes, I think that would help matters quite a bit! Oh yeah, the conversation around here is very cyclical, just like gardening is. We are about to get an increased volume of postings as people get out and putz around with their roses during growing season. We are now on the cusp of going from virtually no postings to an explosion of interest in gabbing about the hobby. Still, this is a fairly mature newsgroup (in terms of age - I know that *I'm* not particularly mature g). That means that many subjects are old hat and have been rehashed many times. So, a lot of the conversation in the coming months will be connected with helping newbies to the hobby and talking about new varieties. This doesn't mean that we don't like talking about roses though. I see. I hadn't considered that before. Well, now I think I'll retire to thoughts of pruning, fertilizing and wish-list making... Sounds like fun to me! Dan |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
Hi Dave,
dave weil wrote in message . .. On 8 Mar 2004 13:40:58 -0800, (Dan Gannon) wrote: I think fragrant miniatures have great potential, for use in planters and pots, both indoors and outdoors. I wanted to commend you on taking my "berating" in a positive spirit. You're probably less defensive than *I* would have been. Thanks. I didn't think you were really that harsh. I guess you could say I've seen worse! I didn't really want to respond to your response point by point, but I *did* want to respond to this point. Someone else alluded to this, but I think that you really shouldn't consider roses of any kind as an indoor plant. Sure, one might have limited success, but roses are really outdoor plants. The biggest problem isn't light - as you alluded to, lighting can be duplicated. The problem is that roses don't *generally* like to live in the same environment that most humans enjoy. They like open air and *generally* higher daytime temperatures than humans like. They don't particularly like to have their roots confined and they are easily affected by spider mites in "placid" air conditions (not to be confused with "air conditioning"). I suspect that they are genetically programmed to respond to the normal differences between day and night temperatures as well. Probably true. But, years ago, I successfully kept a miniature rose as a house plant for 3 years, in front of a large South-facing window. After I learned to keep it from getting fungal infections, it grew and bloomed well. But when I finally planted it outside, it did even better. It was one of those unnamed cultivars, with red blooms. It never grew more than about 1.5 feet tall. Many of the varieties I see available today are more attractive than it was. But that rose lived for at least 12 years (that's the last time I checked on it... if it's alive today, it would be about 17 years old.) But (I hear you say now), that's the same as orchids, right? Well, sorta. However, orchids are different in that they are almost succulents and can withstand spider mites for a little longer than the paper thin leaves of miniature roses. Plus, they seem a little more suited to the kinds of climates that humans find comfortable (in that you can actually use lights to create little micro-climates - but again, circulation is key for them as well). There are certain places where you might be able to easily grow roses "indoors". I'm thinking of Southern California or Hawaiian rooms that might involve walled in porches and the like (you know, those wonderful homes that don't need air conditioning and you can leave open year round if yu choose). but for the average apartment dweller, I think it would be a stuggle to keep an indoor miniature rose happy for very long. Sure, you can have success for weeks or even months at a time, I suppose, but really, to be successful, the plant needs to breath fresh outdoor air instead of canned, recirculating air conditioned air, even if it's humidified. This is just a guess on my part. Judging from the success I had, keeping that miniature rose as a house plant, I'd say the major considerations to keeping it healthy we adequate light, relatively constant moisture without overwatering, and preventing fungus. (It never was infested with any parasites.) Preventing fungus turned out to be a simple matter of removing any fungus-infected foliage, and putting the plant out in the sunlight and fresh air for a time, before bringing it back inside. And spraying the plant's foliage with water was definitely a bad idea, as I quickly discovered. One thing that may have worked in that plant's favor is, the temperature in that windowsill fluctuated dramtically throughout the year. Sometimes freezing temperatures occurred there during the winters, and during the summer, it was definitely quite warm. That rose never lost all of its leaves, but it stop almost all of its growth during the winters, and spent at least 2 or 3 months every year without blooming. I think those may have been an important considerations. Something else I noticed, high humidity indoors tended to cause the rose to get fungal infections. But the occasional nibbling by my house-cat didn't seem to hurt it at all. ;-) Perhaps, some research could be done to genetically breed strains of roses that are tolerant of indoor conditions. Since there are roses that grow in cooler climates, perhaps they could be developed to like similar temperatures to indoor conditions. Yes, I think that would help matters quite a bit! Oh yeah, the conversation around here is very cyclical, just like gardening is. We are about to get an increased volume of postings as people get out and putz around with their roses during growing season. We are now on the cusp of going from virtually no postings to an explosion of interest in gabbing about the hobby. Still, this is a fairly mature newsgroup (in terms of age - I know that *I'm* not particularly mature g). That means that many subjects are old hat and have been rehashed many times. So, a lot of the conversation in the coming months will be connected with helping newbies to the hobby and talking about new varieties. This doesn't mean that we don't like talking about roses though. I see. I hadn't considered that before. Well, now I think I'll retire to thoughts of pruning, fertilizing and wish-list making... Sounds like fun to me! Dan |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
Dave,
I'd like to qualify your statements a bit if I may. Roses 'generally' don't necessarily dislike indoor climate control. In fact mine atleast love the lack of variation and grow and bloom constantly. What they 'do not' like is cross contamination of indoor and out door climate. In other words, keeping a rose out on the porch for 2 months them bringing it in for 3 weeks is a strict no no. Disease and pests that were under control out side turn into raging problems in a heart beat inside. Conversely problems you never saw inside turn into plant killers out side. Roses take weeks or months to acclimatize to their micro climate. Indoors roses have a lower number of interventions possible. Spraying is not really an option. So keep those indoor roses inside and prevent contamination and you should be fine. -- Theo in KC Z5 Someone else alluded to this, but I think that you really shouldn't consider roses of any kind as an indoor plant. Sure, one might have limited success, but roses are really outdoor plants. The biggest problem isn't light - as you alluded to, lighting can be duplicated. The problem is that roses don't *generally* like to live in the same environment that most humans enjoy. They like open air and *generally* higher daytime temperatures than humans like. They don't particularly like to have their roots confined and they are easily affected by spider mites in "placid" air conditions (not to be confused with "air conditioning"). I suspect that they are genetically programmed to respond to the normal differences between day and night temperatures as well. |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
Dave,
I'd like to qualify your statements a bit if I may. Roses 'generally' don't necessarily dislike indoor climate control. In fact mine atleast love the lack of variation and grow and bloom constantly. What they 'do not' like is cross contamination of indoor and out door climate. In other words, keeping a rose out on the porch for 2 months them bringing it in for 3 weeks is a strict no no. Disease and pests that were under control out side turn into raging problems in a heart beat inside. Conversely problems you never saw inside turn into plant killers out side. Roses take weeks or months to acclimatize to their micro climate. Indoors roses have a lower number of interventions possible. Spraying is not really an option. So keep those indoor roses inside and prevent contamination and you should be fine. -- Theo in KC Z5 Someone else alluded to this, but I think that you really shouldn't consider roses of any kind as an indoor plant. Sure, one might have limited success, but roses are really outdoor plants. The biggest problem isn't light - as you alluded to, lighting can be duplicated. The problem is that roses don't *generally* like to live in the same environment that most humans enjoy. They like open air and *generally* higher daytime temperatures than humans like. They don't particularly like to have their roots confined and they are easily affected by spider mites in "placid" air conditions (not to be confused with "air conditioning"). I suspect that they are genetically programmed to respond to the normal differences between day and night temperatures as well. |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
Dave,
I'd like to qualify your statements a bit if I may. Roses 'generally' don't necessarily dislike indoor climate control. In fact mine atleast love the lack of variation and grow and bloom constantly. What they 'do not' like is cross contamination of indoor and out door climate. In other words, keeping a rose out on the porch for 2 months them bringing it in for 3 weeks is a strict no no. Disease and pests that were under control out side turn into raging problems in a heart beat inside. Conversely problems you never saw inside turn into plant killers out side. Roses take weeks or months to acclimatize to their micro climate. Indoors roses have a lower number of interventions possible. Spraying is not really an option. So keep those indoor roses inside and prevent contamination and you should be fine. -- Theo in KC Z5 Someone else alluded to this, but I think that you really shouldn't consider roses of any kind as an indoor plant. Sure, one might have limited success, but roses are really outdoor plants. The biggest problem isn't light - as you alluded to, lighting can be duplicated. The problem is that roses don't *generally* like to live in the same environment that most humans enjoy. They like open air and *generally* higher daytime temperatures than humans like. They don't particularly like to have their roots confined and they are easily affected by spider mites in "placid" air conditions (not to be confused with "air conditioning"). I suspect that they are genetically programmed to respond to the normal differences between day and night temperatures as well. |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
Dave,
I'd like to qualify your statements a bit if I may. Roses 'generally' don't necessarily dislike indoor climate control. In fact mine atleast love the lack of variation and grow and bloom constantly. What they 'do not' like is cross contamination of indoor and out door climate. In other words, keeping a rose out on the porch for 2 months them bringing it in for 3 weeks is a strict no no. Disease and pests that were under control out side turn into raging problems in a heart beat inside. Conversely problems you never saw inside turn into plant killers out side. Roses take weeks or months to acclimatize to their micro climate. Indoors roses have a lower number of interventions possible. Spraying is not really an option. So keep those indoor roses inside and prevent contamination and you should be fine. -- Theo in KC Z5 Someone else alluded to this, but I think that you really shouldn't consider roses of any kind as an indoor plant. Sure, one might have limited success, but roses are really outdoor plants. The biggest problem isn't light - as you alluded to, lighting can be duplicated. The problem is that roses don't *generally* like to live in the same environment that most humans enjoy. They like open air and *generally* higher daytime temperatures than humans like. They don't particularly like to have their roots confined and they are easily affected by spider mites in "placid" air conditions (not to be confused with "air conditioning"). I suspect that they are genetically programmed to respond to the normal differences between day and night temperatures as well. |
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Hi Marshall,
Sorry for the delayed reply. Basically, I used fresh air and sunlight to prevent fungal infections, combined with removing any infected foliage. Sometimes the plant was placed outside for several days, and sometimes we opened the windows for fresh air. Also, I learned to avoid spraying the foliage with water, while it was indoors. I've heard that some people have used dilute hydrogen peroxide as a foliar spray, to prevent or treat fungus. If I tried that, I'd put the plant outdoors in a sunny location so it could dry quickly. Dan (Marshall Dermer) wrote in message ... In article (Dan Gannon) writes: Dave, I know many have said it's difficult to impossible to keep them indoors, but so far, I've had nothing but success with it. How do you prevent the various fungus infections without using some awful fungicide that is meant to be used outdoors? --Marshall |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
dave weil wrote in message . ..
I know many have said it's difficult to impossible to keep them indoors, but so far, I've had nothing but success with it. How do you prevent the various fungus infections without using some awful fungicide that is meant to be used outdoors? I'd also have to ask how long this success has been achieved. I know I answered this earlier, but it was 3 years. (A single specimen, my first miniature rose.) I have a hard time envisioning a long life for a miniature rose indoors in a typical apartment without a *serious* array of apparati. And that's hardly: "How else can one easily keep a rose - which *smells* like a rose should - as a houseplant, or keep quite a few of them on a porch or patio"? It was just potted in a typical 8" pot, and kept in a large, South-facing windowsill. I carefully avoided over-watering, tried to water again before the foliage wilted at all from dehydration, and we sometimes opened the windows during warm days, and sometimes put the plant outdoors, for up to a few days at a time. I'm skeptical about the "easy" claim regarding keeping miniatures in "an apartment or condo". I can certainly see keeping them on a porch or patio, but inside? Well, it was easy for me, under those conditions. Now I have a new bunch of miniature roses, and I'm trying to see if I can replicate that success. I don't have a South-facing window now, so I'm using fluorescent shop lights, suspended about 5 inches above the foliage. I'll see how long they do well without placing them outside for sun and fresh air (hopefully, indefinitely, but I'm willing to place them outside if necessary, even permanently.) Hell, orchids are a lot easier and they still need a lot of help in most homes (lights, pebble trays, humidifiers, fans, etc.). We aren't talking about pothos after all... I'll see if that kind of equipment proves to be necessary. I think a fan would help control fungus, but I don't think I'll need to use a pebble tray or humidifier. The plants seem very capable of hydrating themselves adequately, through their root systems, with the prevailing humidity in my apartment (which averages about 70%.) I do have some aquariums which tend to humidify the apartment, and I have a dehumidifier in my "fish room," to keep the humidity from rising above 70%. Since most people don't have that setup, I'll also be experimenting in family and friends' residences, if they'll allow me. I don't think it will be difficult to persuade them, after they see and smell the roses. Now bringing a potted mini in for a night or two to act as a centerpiece on a table I can see... I imagine that would work well. Dan |
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"Sunflower" wrote in message ...
So, you're identifying these fragrant minis through literature and hybridizers descriptions? I had to start somewhere. My first strategy has been to run lots of Google searches, scouring the Internet for mentions of fragrant miniatures. I found quite a bit that way. Since then, I've learned of some more, by word of mouth. When the roses are in bloom locally, I'm planning to visit the major gardens and nurseries which have miniatures, and personally smell them. I'll also be checking out books at the library, and probably contacting people "in the business," to see if they know of other fragrant varieties. How many of them do you *personally* grow and have *personal* experience with to judge that they are fragrant? Currently, I'm personally growing 9 varieties indoors. I'll be growing more later. I don't think I need to personally grow all of them, so I pick and choose among those that interest me most. And, what type of standard are you using to judge the strength of that fragrance? My standard for a HT would be Fragrant Cloud, for a noisette, Blush Noisette, for a polyantha Perle d'Or, etc. My standard for a fragrant mini would be Sweet Chariot, which although nicely scented, isn't what I'd call terribly strongly scented. It's also probably one of the best as far as BS resistance goes, but that is such a joke that you couldn't compare it to, say a china at all and come out looking good. Yes, Sweet Chariot would be a good standard for a fragrant mini, as would some others. I may just start by noting personal observations, like: no fragrance, light fragrance, moderate fragrance, strong fragrance. I suppose panels of rose smellers(?) could work the rest out later. Maybe the ARS would be interested in evaluating or re-evaluating the fragrant minis, to judge their fragrances. I'm not yet experienced in that area. Dan |
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Theo,
You make some good points. I suppose I've been lucky so far, in not encountering any infestations in my minis. I disagree on one point. I think chemical sprays can be used for miniature roses grown indoors. I would just take the plant outside, to a well-ventilated area away from birds and such, spray it there, then move it back inside. I'd suggest waiting a few minutes before bringing it back inside, for the chemical smell to mostly dissipate. That's essentially what I plan to do, should I need to spray any of them. Dan "Theo" wrote in message ws.com... Dave, I'd like to qualify your statements a bit if I may. Roses 'generally' don't necessarily dislike indoor climate control. In fact mine atleast love the lack of variation and grow and bloom constantly. What they 'do not' like is cross contamination of indoor and out door climate. In other words, keeping a rose out on the porch for 2 months them bringing it in for 3 weeks is a strict no no. Disease and pests that were under control out side turn into raging problems in a heart beat inside. Conversely problems you never saw inside turn into plant killers out side. Roses take weeks or months to acclimatize to their micro climate. Indoors roses have a lower number of interventions possible. Spraying is not really an option. So keep those indoor roses inside and prevent contamination and you should be fine. -- Theo in KC Z5 |
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"Sunflower" wrote in message ...
So, you're identifying these fragrant minis through literature and hybridizers descriptions? I had to start somewhere. My first strategy has been to run lots of Google searches, scouring the Internet for mentions of fragrant miniatures. I found quite a bit that way. Since then, I've learned of some more, by word of mouth. When the roses are in bloom locally, I'm planning to visit the major gardens and nurseries which have miniatures, and personally smell them. I'll also be checking out books at the library, and probably contacting people "in the business," to see if they know of other fragrant varieties. How many of them do you *personally* grow and have *personal* experience with to judge that they are fragrant? Currently, I'm personally growing 9 varieties indoors. I'll be growing more later. I don't think I need to personally grow all of them, so I pick and choose among those that interest me most. And, what type of standard are you using to judge the strength of that fragrance? My standard for a HT would be Fragrant Cloud, for a noisette, Blush Noisette, for a polyantha Perle d'Or, etc. My standard for a fragrant mini would be Sweet Chariot, which although nicely scented, isn't what I'd call terribly strongly scented. It's also probably one of the best as far as BS resistance goes, but that is such a joke that you couldn't compare it to, say a china at all and come out looking good. Yes, Sweet Chariot would be a good standard for a fragrant mini, as would some others. I may just start by noting personal observations, like: no fragrance, light fragrance, moderate fragrance, strong fragrance. I suppose panels of rose smellers(?) could work the rest out later. Maybe the ARS would be interested in evaluating or re-evaluating the fragrant minis, to judge their fragrances. I'm not yet experienced in that area. Dan |
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Theo,
You make some good points. I suppose I've been lucky so far, in not encountering any infestations in my minis. I disagree on one point. I think chemical sprays can be used for miniature roses grown indoors. I would just take the plant outside, to a well-ventilated area away from birds and such, spray it there, then move it back inside. I'd suggest waiting a few minutes before bringing it back inside, for the chemical smell to mostly dissipate. That's essentially what I plan to do, should I need to spray any of them. Dan "Theo" wrote in message ws.com... Dave, I'd like to qualify your statements a bit if I may. Roses 'generally' don't necessarily dislike indoor climate control. In fact mine atleast love the lack of variation and grow and bloom constantly. What they 'do not' like is cross contamination of indoor and out door climate. In other words, keeping a rose out on the porch for 2 months them bringing it in for 3 weeks is a strict no no. Disease and pests that were under control out side turn into raging problems in a heart beat inside. Conversely problems you never saw inside turn into plant killers out side. Roses take weeks or months to acclimatize to their micro climate. Indoors roses have a lower number of interventions possible. Spraying is not really an option. So keep those indoor roses inside and prevent contamination and you should be fine. -- Theo in KC Z5 |
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You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses"
"Dan Gannon" wrote in message om... "Sunflower" wrote in message ... So, you're identifying these fragrant minis through literature and hybridizers descriptions? I had to start somewhere. My first strategy has been to run lots of Google searches, scouring the Internet for mentions of fragrant miniatures. I found quite a bit that way. Since then, I've learned of some more, by word of mouth. When the roses are in bloom locally, I'm planning to visit the major gardens and nurseries which have miniatures, and personally smell them. I'll also be checking out books at the library, and probably contacting people "in the business," to see if they know of other fragrant varieties. How many of them do you *personally* grow and have *personal* experience with to judge that they are fragrant? Currently, I'm personally growing 9 varieties indoors. I'll be growing more later. I don't think I need to personally grow all of them, so I pick and choose among those that interest me most. You do if you're going to describe them as fragrant. There is NO substitute for personal experience. 9 varieties is hardly a representative sample of the thousands of minis on the market. Second hand reportage of something as ephemeral and individual as fragrance is misleading. Hybridizers and marketers are notoriously optimistic in their glowing descriptive terms. Marketing isn't fact. Nose sniffing in person is. And, what type of standard are you using to judge the strength of that fragrance? My standard for a HT would be Fragrant Cloud, for a noisette, Blush Noisette, for a polyantha Perle d'Or, etc. My standard for a fragrant mini would be Sweet Chariot, which although nicely scented, isn't what I'd call terribly strongly scented. It's also probably one of the best as far as BS resistance goes, but that is such a joke that you couldn't compare it to, say a china at all and come out looking good. Yes, Sweet Chariot would be a good standard for a fragrant mini, as would some others. I may just start by noting personal observations, like: no fragrance, light fragrance, moderate fragrance, strong fragrance. I suppose panels of rose smellers(?) could work the rest out later. Maybe the ARS would be interested in evaluating or re-evaluating the fragrant minis, to judge their fragrances. I'm not yet experienced in that area. The ARS doesn't evaluate minis. Individual growers of all kinds of roses evaluate what they grow in RIR, and you don't have to be an ARS member to participate. (Are you and ARS member and did you participate? And are you a RHA member since you want to produce your own hybrids?) And the AOE, like the AARS is a professional growers award, and doesn't have anything to do with the public's evaluation of a mini as gardenworthy, disease resistant, or scented. As far as the ARS folks go, the majority of office holders and doers would be interested in a mini's show potential, which again doesn't coincide with disease resistance or fragrance. Dan |
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