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bay tree winter
Most of the advice I've seen, so far, has suggested over wintering my potted bay tree safely indoors - preferably somewhere with a minimum temperature of 5 degrees. Just wondering... Many people in here successfully over winter their bay trees simply leaving them outside - possibly moving the pot to a slightly more sheltered spot and being vigilant, in terms of temperatures falling below a certain temperature? -- Flower Bobdew South Facing Garden South West: UK |
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Flower Bobdew wrote:
Most of the advice I've seen, so far, has suggested over wintering my potted bay tree safely indoors - preferably somewhere with a minimum temperature of 5 degrees. Just wondering... Many people in here successfully over winter their bay trees simply leaving them outside - possibly moving the pot to a slightly more sheltered spot and being vigilant, in terms of temperatures falling below a certain temperature? I've never moved one indoors in Wales or Glos, and my mother leaves hers out in London. All these are close to the walls, which shelters them a bit: compass direction doesn't seem to matter. They "burn" a bit in severe frosts, and I suppose you have to avoid the container freezing solid; but in those areas we've got away without doing anything. -- Mike. |
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"Flower Bobdew" wrote in message ... Most of the advice I've seen, so far, has suggested over wintering my potted bay tree safely indoors - preferably somewhere with a minimum temperature of 5 degrees. Just wondering... Many people in here successfully over winter their bay trees simply leaving them outside - possibly moving the pot to a slightly more sheltered spot and being vigilant, in terms of temperatures falling below a certain temperature? -- Flower Bobdew South Facing Garden South West: UK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It should be quite safe outside. It is quite hardy~ especially in the SW. Leaves can be seared by persistent cold winds so keep it reasonably sheltered. Best Wishes Brian. |
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"Flower Bobdew" wrote in message ... Most of the advice I've seen, so far, has suggested over wintering my potted bay tree safely indoors - preferably somewhere with a minimum temperature of 5 degrees. Just wondering... Many people in here successfully over winter their bay trees simply leaving them outside - possibly moving the pot to a slightly more sheltered spot and being vigilant, in terms of temperatures falling below a certain temperature? -- Flower Bobdew South Facing Garden South West: UK in Hampshire, we get the odd really cold few days but we have never made a point of moving the bays. The potted, well established, ones remain where they are out in the open and the smaller ones which we are training (spiralled approx 200mm high) stay behind the garage out of any wind where they still see the cold. dj |
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"Juan Honglow" wrote in message ... "Flower Bobdew" wrote in message ... .. Just wondering... Many people in here successfully over winter their bay trees simply leaving them outside - possibly moving the pot to a slightly more sheltered spot and being vigilant, in terms of temperatures falling below a certain temperature? -- If planted inground they should survive down to minus 12C and especially so if not wind blown......they survive here (USA) at those temps. without many, if any, problems...for a number of years I had a potted one which I put under an unheated polytunnel (6mm poly) during the winter months and that survived at temps. down to minus 18C.....the pot was sunk into the ground....H |
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Flower Bobdew wrote: Most of the advice I've seen, so far, has suggested over wintering my potted bay tree safely indoors - preferably somewhere with a minimum temperature of 5 degrees. Just wondering... Many people in here successfully over winter their bay trees simply leaving them outside - possibly moving the pot to a slightly more sheltered spot and being vigilant, in terms of temperatures falling below a certain temperature? I did that for years, and eventually decided that winters were now (perhaps temporarily) mild enough to plant it out - and it has had no problems in Cambridge. Bay trees are evergreen down to something like -5/-10 Celcius, and are hardy down to -10/-15 Celcius. Established ones will regrow from the roots even below that. Anyone who says to keep them above 5 Celcius is talking twaddle. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Flower Bobdew" wrote in message ... Most of the advice I've seen, so far, has suggested over wintering my potted bay tree safely indoors - preferably somewhere with a minimum temperature of 5 degrees. Just wondering... Many people in here successfully over winter their bay trees simply leaving them outside - possibly moving the pot to a slightly more sheltered spot and being vigilant, in terms of temperatures falling below a certain temperature? -- Flower Bobdew South Facing Garden South West: UK Our bay tree has lived in a pot outside for 4 - 5 years now and has remained evergreen & healthy - in Aberdeen - it is sheltered from the worst of the wind, but has been snowed on, frozen etc to no apparent ill effect. Chris S |
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"Flower Bobdew" wrote Most of the advice I've seen, so far, has suggested over wintering my potted bay tree safely indoors - preferably somewhere with a minimum temperature of 5 degrees. Just wondering... Many people in here successfully over winter their bay trees simply leaving them outside - possibly moving the pot to a slightly more sheltered spot and being vigilant, in terms of temperatures falling below a certain temperature? Just move it into a sheltered spot outside. It's the freezing winds that do the damage, burn the leaves making them look unsightly, the plants can take British cold. We planted ours outside until it got too big for our small front garden and it's now in a neighbours large rear garden and doing well. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
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"Flower Bobdew" wrote in message ... Most of the advice I've seen, so far, has suggested over wintering my potted bay tree safely indoors - preferably somewhere with a minimum temperature of 5 degrees. Just wondering... Many people in here successfully over winter their bay trees simply leaving them outside - possibly moving the pot to a slightly more sheltered spot and being vigilant, in terms of temperatures falling below a certain temperature? I have a 10ft tall one that's been here for years and years. It is planted, so obviously doesn't get moved inside, but it grows like crazy (needs cut back and shaped every year). |
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Nick Maclaren writes
In article , Flower Bobdew wrote: Most of the advice I've seen, so far, has suggested over wintering my potted bay tree safely indoors - preferably somewhere with a minimum temperature of 5 degrees. Just wondering... Many people in here successfully over winter their bay trees simply leaving them outside - possibly moving the pot to a slightly more sheltered spot and being vigilant, in terms of temperatures falling below a certain temperature? I did that for years, and eventually decided that winters were now (perhaps temporarily) mild enough to plant it out - and it has had no problems in Cambridge. Thanks to everyone that responded. I'll definitely be keeping it outside this year, perhaps moving it to the sheltered side of the garden to give some protection from frost and winter winds. And, to clarify... Anyone who says to keep them above 5 Celcius is talking twaddle. Ahem... Amongst a lengthy swathe of advice which actually came with the tree when I bought it last year, and I quote: "...[leave] outside as long as it does not freeze. Just remember to put it inside when the frost comes." -- Flower Bobdew South Facing Garden South West: UK |
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Flower Bobdew wrote:
Nick Maclaren writes [...] Anyone who says to keep them above 5 Celcius is talking twaddle. Ahem... Amongst a lengthy swathe of advice which actually came with the tree when I bought it last year, and I quote: "...[leave] outside as long as it does not freeze. Just remember to put it inside when the frost comes." I think that may depend on the size of the pot and the youth of the tree. In severe climates it could be a problem, but I never lost any seedlings to frost in West Wales; and that was in six-inch pots or less, up against the north wall of the house but with no other protection. It won't do them any harm to bring them into a cold greenhouse or a windowsill for the winter (beware vine weevils, though), but you should be OK outdoors with a layer of insulation and good drainage. I understand your concern, though. Nobody likes losing a tree, and bays are ridiculously expensive, so there's nothing wrong with being cautious. -- Mike. |
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"Chris S" wrote in message ... "Flower Bobdew" wrote in message ... Most of the advice I've seen, so far, has suggested over wintering my potted bay tree safely indoors - preferably somewhere with a minimum temperature of 5 degrees. Just wondering... Many people in here successfully over winter their bay trees simply leaving them outside - possibly moving the pot to a slightly more sheltered spot and being vigilant, in terms of temperatures falling below a certain temperature? -- Flower Bobdew South Facing Garden South West: UK Our bay tree has lived in a pot outside for 4 - 5 years now and has remained evergreen & healthy - in Aberdeen - it is sheltered from the worst of the wind, but has been snowed on, frozen etc to no apparent ill effect. Chris S Same here for a five foot standard in a pot by Stirling, central Scotland. Slatts |
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from Flower Bobdew contains these words: Most of the advice I've seen, so far, has suggested over wintering my potted bay tree safely indoors - preferably somewhere with a minimum temperature of 5 degrees. Really? Just wondering... Many people in here successfully over winter their bay trees simply leaving them outside - possibly moving the pot to a slightly more sheltered spot and being vigilant, in terms of temperatures falling below a certain temperature? I leave my two small bay trees (both less than a foot ATM) where they were all summer. Where I used to live we never brought our two 25-foot bay trees inside - it would have meant digging them up. Since they were planted just after WW1 and they are still thriving, I wouldn't worry. Just make sure they can't get waterlogged. -- Rusty |
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The message
from Flower Bobdew contains these words: Anyone who says to keep them above 5 Celcius is talking twaddle. Ahem... Amongst a lengthy swathe of advice which actually came with the tree when I bought it last year, and I quote: "...[leave] outside as long as it does not freeze. Just remember to put it inside when the frost comes." A case of CYA. Bay trees look *LOVELY* at Christmas when sparkling with frost... -- Rusty |
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Mike Lyle writes
Amongst a lengthy swathe of advice which actually came with the tree when I bought it last year, and I quote: "...[leave] outside as long as it does not freeze. Just remember to put it inside when the frost comes." I think that may depend on the size of the pot and the youth of the tree. In severe climates it could be a problem, but I never lost any seedlings to frost in West Wales; and that was in six-inch pots or less, up against the north wall of the house but with no other protection. It won't do them any harm to bring them into a cold greenhouse or a windowsill for the winter (beware vine weevils, though), Well, that was the main reason behind my question, really... It's now a 2+ foot standard in an 18 inch tall pot, and with no greenhouse and a very small house, bringing it indoors is potentially problematic, unless we treat it as a roundabout! but you should be OK outdoors with a layer of insulation and good drainage. I've noted, with interest, some comments about raising pots up from the ground to aid insulation/drainage. Just wondering... If pots are already placed on an uneven surface patio and/or loose stone [South Cerney/Slate] do they still need to be raised? [I know drainage isn't a problem in any of these areas here, as water runs away freely whenever they are watered. I also have broken pots and 1-2 inches of grit/gravel in the bottom of all my pots.] I understand your concern, though. Nobody likes losing a tree, and bays are ridiculously expensive Quite! so there's nothing wrong with being cautious. Indeed. But its certainly been an enlightening thread, observing bays being kept out in virtually all areas of the country throughout the winter months. -- Flower Bobdew South Facing Garden South West: UK |
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