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Brian wrote:
[...]
Most surprisingly the MM106 rootstock is itself an
exceptionally
good keeping cooker. Just left alone and not grafted etc.
Best Wishes Brian.

That's very interesting. Other details? (x-ploid, size of crop,
bearing habits, etc)

I'm collecting a cutting from a rootstock tree this autumn - the top of
the tree died when it was blown over, but the stump sprouted and is now
a small tree. The apples are evenly pale green and have four
more-or-less flat sides, and are a tad longer than they are wide.

They are a good cooker.

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Hello you lot :-)

I have great fun grafting apple trees and growing apples from seed.
I also much like grafting up family trees, my biggest problem being that
down here in Cornwall I suffer much wind and blight type damage.

And believe it or not the best stock root that I use comes from pips "but"
the tree can be big ,or small these wither and die.

These Red Bramleys were red to crimson all over and of a huge size I must
have one.

Thanks foe all the posts.
....................Leslie



"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
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"Leslie" wrote
Can anyone help,
I have seen today my first Red Bramley Apple.

I would like to graft the Bramley to some apple pip stock.

I have done this successfully with other types of apple

However where to find pruning's of the Red Bramley.

I live in SW Cornwall all help gratefully received

Why graft it onto a stock grown from a pip, why not just grow it as a
cutting?
Normal fruit trees are grafted onto dwarfing rootstock, your will grow
into a huge tree.
For a "red" Bramley tree try Brogdale.
Or get another cooker like Arthur Turner with wonderful flowers too.

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Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London

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I seem to think however that there may be some truth in it, as I've
never seen
specific cooking apples anywhere else in Europe or the States.

Codling is another cooker.

Are all codlins cookers? I know Keswick Codlin, *huge* and baking to a
delicious soft fluff. Scotts says 'Keswick Codlin, like all the codlins,
immensely prolific and reliable' so there must be other codlins.


--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

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d'Alltrades writes
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Bramley needs a professional, specialist, grower to do well.

Piffle! In the gardenof the house where i grew up we had two Bramley
trees and they got virtually no attention until it was time to pick
them. The crop was usually in the hundredweight region.

Cwt? 112 lbs? Is that all? ;-)
When our apple tree (variety unknown) was blown over in the 1987 storm,
it dumped 400 lbs apples on the lawn.

The parents moved to Norfolk, and there was a bramley tree in the garden
which got similar treatment, and the crop was heavy and reliable.

I have only known one Bramley tree to crop poorly, and that was because
it was barked by a pony.

It's
triploid and partially tip bearing. In Cornwall, as requested, it's very
disease prone. It also totally disregards the rootstock and quickly becomes
unmanageable.


It's been around since 1810 and so many others are more
suitable for gardens.


B***** what's suitable for gardens

I thought at the time it was a bit of a non-sequitur. What has age of a
variety to do with suitability for a garden?

- it's what goes into apple pie that
matters. Or apple crumble. Or stewed apple. Or apple sauce. There's only
one other apple I know which can rival it and that's a codling.

--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

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Codling is another cooker.

Are all codlins cookers? I know Keswick Codlin, *huge* and baking to a
delicious soft fluff. Scotts says 'Keswick Codlin, like all the codlins,
immensely prolific and reliable' so there must be other codlins.

Dunno - I knew there was another Codlin - we always put the 'g' on the
end - but I've only experience of the pale green/cream cooker - from the
house I was in aged three to ten, and the next one, from ten and on and
off, mid twenties.

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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
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Brian wrote:
[...]
Most surprisingly the MM106 rootstock is itself an
exceptionally
good keeping cooker. Just left alone and not grafted etc.
Best Wishes Brian.

That's very interesting. Other details? (x-ploid, size of crop,
bearing habits, etc)

--
Mike.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#
Diploid[34], Spur fruiting, Very green and slightly angular~a little
colour. Free fruiting and keeps well. Not used before end Nov. Has no
name~supposedly in common with 90% of UK vars.. 1932 as cross between
English Broadleaf and [prob.] Northern Spy.
Well worth growing in its own right~~ but not in quantity. Pollen is very
good quality.
Best Wishes Brian.

Brian wrote:
"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
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Brian wrote:
[...]
Most surprisingly the MM106 rootstock is itself an
exceptionally
good keeping cooker. Just left alone and not grafted etc.
Best Wishes Brian.

That's very interesting. Other details? (x-ploid, size of crop,
bearing habits, etc)

--
Mike.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#
Diploid[34], Spur fruiting, Very green and slightly angular~a
little colour. Free fruiting and keeps well. Not used before end
Nov.
Has no name~supposedly in common with 90% of UK vars.. 1932 as
cross
between English Broadleaf and [prob.] Northern Spy.
Well worth growing in its own right~~ but not in quantity.
Pollen
is very good quality.
Best Wishes Brian.

Many thanks, Brian. Duly noted.

--
Mike.

"Kay" wrote in message
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
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I saw a newspaper report yeaterday which claimed the UK is the only
country in the world to grow an apple variety (Bramley) specifically
for
cooking. Does anyone know if this is true?

Janet
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Many reports and articles related to apple growing state that the UK
is
the only country to actually grow apples specifically for cooking. I have
always doubted this but have seen it many times and repeated in Google
searches. Foreigners are a peculiar lot!!

How many countries have bred apple varieties? I don't think it's that
many.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"
~~~~~~~~~~~~
The DNA is traced back to native trees of China~regions. Practically all
temperate countries have developed vars. Scotland seems to have produced
some of the very best~ James Grieve [Edinburgh] and many others.
My all time favourite is Court Pendu Plat~~Brought by the Romans~~but
will not grow for me.[flowers in June]
Apples grown in Sweden are pathetic and resemble our June-drop at best.
They still use them!
Best Wishes Brian.

Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
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from Kay contains these words:

Codling is another cooker.

Are all codlins cookers? I know Keswick Codlin, *huge* and baking
to
a delicious soft fluff. Scotts says 'Keswick Codlin, like all the
codlins, immensely prolific and reliable' so there must be other
codlins.

Dunno - I knew there was another Codlin - we always put the 'g' on
the
end - but I've only experience of the pale green/cream cooker -
from
the house I was in aged three to ten, and the next one, from ten
and
on and off, mid twenties.

OED agrees that -g is the earlier form (c1440). It also says there
are several "sub-varieties", mentioning the Kentish Codling as well
as the Keswick of that ilk, "etc." It suggests that the word probably
applied to apples too hard to be eaten raw, but expanded to cover
others of similar shape.

OT: In case you want to know, I find there that "coddy-moddy" is a
dialect word for the black-headed gull, esp. in the eastern counties.

--
Mike.

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OT: In case you want to know, I find there that "coddy-moddy" is a
dialect word for the black-headed gull, esp. in the eastern counties.

Not heard that, even though I've infested the Eastern Counties' seaboard
for much of my life.

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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
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Brian wrote:
[...]
Most surprisingly the MM106 rootstock is itself an
exceptionally
good keeping cooker. Just left alone and not grafted etc.
Best Wishes Brian.

That's very interesting. Other details? (x-ploid, size of crop,
bearing habits, etc)

--
Mike.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~#
Diploid[34], Spur fruiting, Very green and slightly angular~a little
colour. Free fruiting and keeps well. Not used before end Nov. Has no
name~supposedly in common with 90% of UK vars..

Is this true that 90% of UK varieties are unnamed. I have two apple
trees which were apparently part of a job lot of otherwise native
species planted as a small spinney by the previous owners of my house.
I sent the apples to be identified by RHS and they reckoned one was
James Grieve and the other American Mother. They clearly aren't though
and they have defied my efforts to identify them. The 'Mother' apples
are especially good.
How do these unnamed varieties come about and then come to be sold on? I
imagine mine was a part of a very cheap selection. The owner didn't even
realise he'd planted any apples in with the oaks, maples, ashes etc. I
can't see any sign of grafting either, so wonder whether they could just
have been grown from seed

Janet G

"Jaques d'Alltrades"
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All I know is that Brambly are bugger to pick. Huge high trees and
really large fruit, so that you have to run up and down the ladder a lot :~(

Yes, if you let them run away with you. Our trees (when I was an
anklebiter) were no more than fifteen feet, with a trunk diameter of
around twelve inches at the bases.
We used to run up and down them in plimsolls.
Rusty

These were not my trees........I used to work in the orchards in Kent back in
the 70's :~)
Enormous wooden ladders, canvas backbags, did my shoulder in :~(
Jenny

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Janet Galpin wrote:

Is this true that 90% of UK varieties are unnamed. I have two apple
trees which were apparently part of a job lot of otherwise native
species planted as a small spinney by the previous owners of my house.
I sent the apples to be identified by RHS and they reckoned one was
James Grieve and the other American Mother. They clearly aren't though
and they have defied my efforts to identify them. The 'Mother' apples
are especially good.
How do these unnamed varieties come about and then come to be sold on? I
imagine mine was a part of a very cheap selection. The owner didn't even
realise he'd planted any apples in with the oaks, maples, ashes etc. I
can't see any sign of grafting either, so wonder whether they could just
have been grown from seed

My garden used to be part of my neighbour's garden and, when he had it,
he planted two apple and one pear tree. He told me once that he had
grown the pear tree from seed and I guess that he did the same with the
apple trees because all three were/are of a variety completely unknown
to anyone that I've asked. (I say were/are because the pear tree blew
down in the gales of 1987.)

They were/are very pleasant fruit nevertheless but the biggest problem
was that he had trained them as dwarf trees, but when I came to take
them over it rapidly became apparent that they weren't! It's an annual
fight to keep these trees under control. By contrast, the dwarf Cox
Orange that I bought looks a wizened little thing!

David

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All I know is that Brambly are bugger to pick. Huge high trees and really
large
fruit, so that you have to run up and down the ladder a lot :~(

I'd second this. We've just cut one down on advice from a surveyor and were
really glad to see it go. It was huge - almost oak like proportions - and
enough apples woudl fall each day to feed a small village. The whole area
smelt like a cider factory. Unless you are planning to make cider or own a
pig I'd get one grafted onto a smaller root stock. What to do with the
apples really did become an issue

--
Hayley
(gardening on well drained, alkaline clay in Somerset)

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 15:02:35 +0100, Kay wrote:

In article , Brian
--- writes

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
.. .

I saw a newspaper report yeaterday which claimed the UK is the only
country in the world to grow an apple variety (Bramley) specifically for
cooking. Does anyone know if this is true?

Janet
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Many reports and articles related to apple growing state that the UK is
the only country to actually grow apples specifically for cooking. I have
always doubted this but have seen it many times and repeated in Google
searches. Foreigners are a peculiar lot!!


I know Germany and Austria certainly don't I've asked a number of people
and they just look at me stupidly.You can't make a decent apple pie here.
An apple, just for cooking? Duh!

They grow special apples to make apple wine/scrumpy instead. Like
crab-apples but a bit bigger.

How many countries have bred apple varieties? I don't think it's that
many.

Assuming you mean "discovered" rather than actively crossing.
Just about every country that grows apples.
The UK, USA (Golden Delicious, Jonathan), Canada, Austria and Germany have
loads (in 1900 there were over 3000 varieties in Austria alone, now only
around 500), Australia (Granny Smith), New Zealand (Gala), Switzerland,
Belgium, China, Japan, the Netherlands ... just of the top of my head.

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Tim C.