Felly sgrifennodd Lawrence Jenkins :
When I
mentioned creosote to deter them that was a serious suggestion. They
actually have a similar but far worse stench, so t6hat is possibly why the
stuff works,

Unfortunately that too is now banned by the EU. I doubt "New formula"
creosote does the job as well.

Adrian
--
Adrian Shaw ais@
Adran Cyfrifiadureg, Prifysgol Cymru, aber.
Aberystwyth, Ceredigion, Cymru ac.
http://users.aber.ac.uk/ais/weather/ uk

gardenlen wrote:
g'day ©¿©,

makes it easier to spread it around where you want it, and much more
convenient than having to run around outsied each time you wish to
pee. plus a bit much to expect the ladies to go run around the garden.

I also use it on my vege' gardens

It? Urine?

Bloody hell! And some people think I am wierd!

I want a flower garden not a council privvy. If I want to smell foxes
and drunks I can go to any fly tip. I have been badly bitten by gnats
as it is. I don't want any worse rashes.

Thanks for nothing.

"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message

It? Urine?

I want a flower garden not a council privvy. If I want to smell
foxes
and drunks I can go to any fly tip. I have been badly bitten by
gnats
as it is. I don't want any worse rashes.

Thanks for nothing.

You have been told to try creosote and urine and lion's poo. All this
is good advice. It's about territory marking and telling the foxes
that there is something bigger and nastier around than they are. Stop
sounding like a pillock and take the advice on board and try it before
you dismiss it.

On 5/9/06 23:57, in article
, "Weatherlawyer"
wrote:


gardenlen wrote:
g'day ©¿©,

makes it easier to spread it around where you want it, and much more
convenient than having to run around outsied each time you wish to
pee. plus a bit much to expect the ladies to go run around the garden.

I also use it on my vege' gardens

It? Urine?

Bloody hell! And some people think I am wierd!

I want a flower garden not a council privvy. If I want to smell foxes
and drunks I can go to any fly tip. I have been badly bitten by gnats
as it is. I don't want any worse rashes.

Thanks for nothing.

I don't understand what you mean by 'nothing'. What people are trying to
demonstrate to you is that you are having to mark your territory. That's
how animals do it and we are animals. It might work with foxes, it might
not but it's not going to give you typhoid to try!
Remedies against depredations by deer include using human hair draped on
e.g. rose bushes to which they are especially partial. There are many weird
things out there that people will try if their gardens are being trashed.
Urine is also used by a lot of people as a compost activator, BTW.
I've never had a lawn dug up by foxes but it seems to be for a short season
only, from what others have said, so perhaps you can learn to live with it
for that time?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

On 5 Sep 2006 12:50:44 -0700, "Weatherlawyer"
wrote:


Lionel wrote:
"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message
ups.com...
I have the damned things digging in my garden. Short of shooting them
what can I do?

Pray that rabies gets into the country and all the bloody foxes will be shot
on sight by somebody else! But when it happens - as it will - it will still
upset the townies who think they are lovely cuddly blighters..

Has nothing to do with that, you warped plonker. If you cant live with
nature, buy a flat and window box.

As if we need more gardens around here designed by hillbillies. I
wonder what the smell in some of these fox lover's paradises is like.
Foxes don't half pong.

As if we need any more idiots like you around here!
--

Dr. John Henry "Doc" Holliday Medical Physics Sheriff
Tel 44 1382 0960111 ext. 347 Univ. of DundeeCake, Tenwells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 63440177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net Dr. John Henry "Doc" http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~Dr. John Henry "Doc" Holliday





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Malcolm Ogilvie of on the suggestion he
copied Konters book.


" You are making yourself look foolish. The book on Grebes by Andre
Konter that was published in 2001 was entitled 'Grebes of OUR World'.
My book, published only this month, is entitled 'Grebes of THE World',
and as such is entirely different. The similarity of the front covers
is quite coincidental. My book IS the first ever devoted to Grebes.

Malcolm Ogilivie."

...............................................

KONTER (Andre) - Grebes of our World. Visiting all Species on Five
Continents - 2001, 8vo. 187pp. Colour photographs, line drawings. A
description of the 22 species of grebes, their natural history, ecology
and behaviour.


Grebes of the World
Malcolm Ogilvie
The book starts with an authoritative introduction on the origin,
evolution, distribution, physiology and behaviour of grebes, followed by
accounts of each of the 22 species


Malcolm it looks as though Konter might dispute that statement!

Rob

"Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter,


Malcolm Ogilvie"

................................................

The error I made was in a chatty piece about the actual writing of the
book which I posted to a non-birdwatching newsgroup

M Ogilvie


You clearly and explicitly stated that yours was the first book on the
subject, in the full knowledge that the topic had recently been
covered very thoroughly in Konter's book.
The facts speak for themselves. You are a liar who only had the grace
to own up when you had been found out - you even persisted in giving
the impression that you were the first to write it *after* I had drawn
attention to your untruth. Your apology comes a little late.
You do yourself no credit in introducing other, wholly irrelevant
matters in order to deflect criticism from your behaviour. Shame on
you.

Paul

on being attacked by trolls in URW, UBA

I have personally wrecked the ozone layer and trashed countless green
lanes. I have lost count of the number of farmers' fences weakened by my
straightlining. I have puked on country pub tables, staggered through guy
ropes, crapped in sensitive upland areas, left orange peel on Skye, fondled
the Paps of Nora, stolen bicycles, and, to my shame, once voted liberal.

It is with regret that I note that Richard, aka Big Dick, has opted for the
withdrawal method rather than continue his intercourse with this ng using
suitable protection.

--

Paul Rooney

On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:37:38 GMT, gardenlen
wrote:

g'day ©¿©,

makes it easier to spread it around where you want it, and much more
convenient than having to run around outsied each time you wish to
pee. plus a bit much to expect the ladies to go run around the garden.

Some would pay for that!

i also use it on my vege' gardens

No invites to lunch then!

On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:57:03 +0100, ©¿©
wrote:

snipped
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len

--

Dr. John Henry "Doc" Holliday Medical Physics Sheriff
Tel 44 1382 0960111 ext. 347 Univ. of DundeeCake, Tenwells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 63440177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net Dr. John Henry "Doc" http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~Dr. John Henry "Doc" Holliday





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Malcolm Ogilvie of on the suggestion he
copied Konters book.


" You are making yourself look foolish. The book on Grebes by Andre
Konter that was published in 2001 was entitled 'Grebes of OUR World'.
My book, published only this month, is entitled 'Grebes of THE World',
and as such is entirely different. The similarity of the front covers
is quite coincidental. My book IS the first ever devoted to Grebes.

Malcolm Ogilivie."

...............................................

KONTER (Andre) - Grebes of our World. Visiting all Species on Five
Continents - 2001, 8vo. 187pp. Colour photographs, line drawings. A
description of the 22 species of grebes, their natural history, ecology
and behaviour.


Grebes of the World
Malcolm Ogilvie
The book starts with an authoritative introduction on the origin,
evolution, distribution, physiology and behaviour of grebes, followed by
accounts of each of the 22 species


Malcolm it looks as though Konter might dispute that statement!

Rob

"Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter,


Malcolm Ogilvie"

................................................

The error I made was in a chatty piece about the actual writing of the
book which I posted to a non-birdwatching newsgroup

M Ogilvie


You clearly and explicitly stated that yours was the first book on the
subject, in the full knowledge that the topic had recently been
covered very thoroughly in Konter's book.
The facts speak for themselves. You are a liar who only had the grace
to own up when you had been found out - you even persisted in giving
the impression that you were the first to write it *after* I had drawn
attention to your untruth. Your apology comes a little late.
You do yourself no credit in introducing other, wholly irrelevant
matters in order to deflect criticism from your behaviour. Shame on
you.

Paul

on being attacked by trolls in URW, UBA

I have personally wrecked the ozone layer and trashed countless green
lanes. I have lost count of the number of farmers' fences weakened by my
straightlining. I have puked on country pub tables, staggered through guy
ropes, crapped in sensitive upland areas, left orange peel on Skye, fondled
the Paps of Nora, stolen bicycles, and, to my shame, once voted liberal.

It is with regret that I note that Richard, aka Big Dick, has opted for the
withdrawal method rather than continue his intercourse with this ng using
suitable protection.

--

Paul Rooney

"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message


Renardine was banned relatively recently under big brother EU
legislation and it seems that there is nothing equally effective.

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.

Mary

On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 10:21:58 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message


Renardine was banned relatively recently under big brother EU
legislation and it seems that there is nothing equally effective.

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

Bad for the garden and the environment anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.

Or a low electric (single strand) fence. Works for puddies as well.
--

Dr. John Henry "Doc" Holliday Medical Physics Sheriff
Tel 44 1382 0960111 ext. 347 Univ. of DundeeCake, Tenwells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 63440177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net Dr. John Henry "Doc" http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~Dr. John Henry "Doc" Holliday





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Malcolm Ogilvie of on the suggestion he
copied Konters book.


" You are making yourself look foolish. The book on Grebes by Andre
Konter that was published in 2001 was entitled 'Grebes of OUR World'.
My book, published only this month, is entitled 'Grebes of THE World',
and as such is entirely different. The similarity of the front covers
is quite coincidental. My book IS the first ever devoted to Grebes.

Malcolm Ogilivie."

...............................................

KONTER (Andre) - Grebes of our World. Visiting all Species on Five
Continents - 2001, 8vo. 187pp. Colour photographs, line drawings. A
description of the 22 species of grebes, their natural history, ecology
and behaviour.


Grebes of the World
Malcolm Ogilvie
The book starts with an authoritative introduction on the origin,
evolution, distribution, physiology and behaviour of grebes, followed by
accounts of each of the 22 species


Malcolm it looks as though Konter might dispute that statement!

Rob

"Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter,


Malcolm Ogilvie"

................................................

The error I made was in a chatty piece about the actual writing of the
book which I posted to a non-birdwatching newsgroup

M Ogilvie


You clearly and explicitly stated that yours was the first book on the
subject, in the full knowledge that the topic had recently been
covered very thoroughly in Konter's book.
The facts speak for themselves. You are a liar who only had the grace
to own up when you had been found out - you even persisted in giving
the impression that you were the first to write it *after* I had drawn
attention to your untruth. Your apology comes a little late.
You do yourself no credit in introducing other, wholly irrelevant
matters in order to deflect criticism from your behaviour. Shame on
you.

Paul

on being attacked by trolls in URW, UBA

I have personally wrecked the ozone layer and trashed countless green
lanes. I have lost count of the number of farmers' fences weakened by my
straightlining. I have puked on country pub tables, staggered through guy
ropes, crapped in sensitive upland areas, left orange peel on Skye, fondled
the Paps of Nora, stolen bicycles, and, to my shame, once voted liberal.

It is with regret that I note that Richard, aka Big Dick, has opted for the
withdrawal method rather than continue his intercourse with this ng using
suitable protection.

--

Paul Rooney

Mary Fisher wrote:
"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message
Renardine was banned relatively recently under big brother EU
legislation and it seems that there is nothing equally effective.

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.


50%. They dig under it.

Mary

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Mary Fisher wrote:
"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message
Renardine was banned relatively recently under big brother EU
legislation and it seems that there is nothing equally effective.

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.

50%. They dig under it.

I have decided to plant roses. Maybe the half wild stuff I see growing
on heaths. Anyone know of any long stemmed scented stuff that is very
leggy I can spread like bramble?

Considering the improvement I have made I can live with the digging
until the thorns grow and the land lies better adjusted. It's just that
they convert what was neat to a trash bag overnight.

What annoyed me was that I had bulked up the soil which looked pauce
before and now they are spoiling everything by spreading it into the
grass.

BTW.

Anyone notice the sheer numbers and variety of fungi growing following
this wet? I wonder if this is a regular occurrence following a long dry
spell. Other countries must get the same every year where the climate
is continental?

"©¿©" wrote in message
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Mary Fisher wrote:

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden
and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.

50%. They dig under it.

Not if it's fitted properly. Which means burying the bottom.

Even burying it isn't a guarantee that they won't dig under it. I've
found that by simply laying the wire out along the foxward side of the
ground for about 2 feet stops them. They try to dig at the base of
the fence but don't have enough smarts to go back 2 ft and dig under
from back there.

On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 00:18:19 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Mary Fisher wrote:
"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message
Renardine was banned relatively recently under big brother EU
legislation and it seems that there is nothing equally effective.

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.


50%. They dig under it.

Not if it's fitted properly. Which means burying the bottom.
--

Dr. John Henry "Doc" Holliday Medical Physics Sheriff
Tel 44 1382 0960111 ext. 347 Univ. of DundeeCake, Tenwells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 63440177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net Dr. John Henry "Doc" http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~Dr. John Henry "Doc" Holliday





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Malcolm Ogilvie of on the suggestion he
copied Konters book.


" You are making yourself look foolish. The book on Grebes by Andre
Konter that was published in 2001 was entitled 'Grebes of OUR World'.
My book, published only this month, is entitled 'Grebes of THE World',
and as such is entirely different. The similarity of the front covers
is quite coincidental. My book IS the first ever devoted to Grebes.

Malcolm Ogilivie."

...............................................

KONTER (Andre) - Grebes of our World. Visiting all Species on Five
Continents - 2001, 8vo. 187pp. Colour photographs, line drawings. A
description of the 22 species of grebes, their natural history, ecology
and behaviour.


Grebes of the World
Malcolm Ogilvie
The book starts with an authoritative introduction on the origin,
evolution, distribution, physiology and behaviour of grebes, followed by
accounts of each of the 22 species


Malcolm it looks as though Konter might dispute that statement!

Rob

"Yes, indeed, what I said was wrong and I apologise to Andre Konter,


Malcolm Ogilvie"

................................................

The error I made was in a chatty piece about the actual writing of the
book which I posted to a non-birdwatching newsgroup

M Ogilvie


You clearly and explicitly stated that yours was the first book on the
subject, in the full knowledge that the topic had recently been
covered very thoroughly in Konter's book.
The facts speak for themselves. You are a liar who only had the grace
to own up when you had been found out - you even persisted in giving
the impression that you were the first to write it *after* I had drawn
attention to your untruth. Your apology comes a little late.
You do yourself no credit in introducing other, wholly irrelevant
matters in order to deflect criticism from your behaviour. Shame on
you.

Paul

on being attacked by trolls in URW, UBA

I have personally wrecked the ozone layer and trashed countless green
lanes. I have lost count of the number of farmers' fences weakened by my
straightlining. I have puked on country pub tables, staggered through guy
ropes, crapped in sensitive upland areas, left orange peel on Skye, fondled
the Paps of Nora, stolen bicycles, and, to my shame, once voted liberal.

It is with regret that I note that Richard, aka Big Dick, has opted for the
withdrawal method rather than continue his intercourse with this ng using
suitable protection.

--

Paul Rooney

Farm1 wrote:
"©¿©" wrote in message
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Mary Fisher wrote:

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden
and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.

50%. They dig under it.

Not if it's fitted properly. Which means burying the bottom.

Even burying it isn't a guarantee that they won't dig under it. I've
found that by simply laying the wire out along the foxward side of the
ground for about 2 feet stops them. They try to dig at the base of
the fence but don't have enough smarts to go back 2 ft and dig under
from back there.


Thanks for that tip. I will pass that on

On 8/9/06 09:41, in article , "The
Natural Philosopher" wrote:

Farm1 wrote:
"©¿©" wrote in message
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Mary Fisher wrote:

It wasn't all that effective, didn't keep fox out of our garden
and it
washed away in the rain anyway.

A high fence is the only 200% security.

50%. They dig under it.

Not if it's fitted properly. Which means burying the bottom.

Even burying it isn't a guarantee that they won't dig under it. I've
found that by simply laying the wire out along the foxward side of the
ground for about 2 feet stops them. They try to dig at the base of
the fence but don't have enough smarts to go back 2 ft and dig under
from back there.


Thanks for that tip. I will pass that on

Apparently, the other thing that works is to have vertical palings at random
heights. I say apparently, because I've never tried it. But the chicken
house at Highgrove is protected in this way and the security officers say
they've seen as many as 6 foxes sitting round it at night, unable to figure
out how to jump over the fence. Being 'jagged' confuses them, or that's the
claim. I think I read that it was the Romans who first used this method!
I'm guess only but I would think heights of between 5 and 6' would be needed
but it might be worth a bit of research.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

The message
from ©¿© contains these words:

A high fence is the only 200% security.


50%. They dig under it.

Not if it's fitted properly. Which means burying the bottom.

But then you can't electrify it.

--
Skipweasel
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.