wrote:
On Jun 4, 11:45 am, wrote:

Veganism is as unnatural as the steak
diet so popular with other people, and it's extremely hard to avoid
malnutrition. In particular, B12 deficiency is a serious risk, so
supplements are needed.

Three slices of marmite on toast for breakfast each day give a person
ample B12.


well its a novel way to lose half your friends.

However, how are you going to make this Marmite on your self sufficiency
plot?


Michael

Bruce wrote:
others don't like being pressured by society into eating
things that they don't believe people should eat.

Broccoli for one

In article , "Nightjar
\"cpb\"@" writes
I had one that said no chickens, pigs or travelling fairs and I was not
allowed to make it into a lunatic asylum,


Oh dear so now URG meets there then?
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:31:07 +0100, stuart noble
wrote:
Bruce wrote:
others don't like being pressured by society into eating
things that they don't believe people should eat.

Broccoli for one


I adore broccoli. I eat it at least three times a week.

But don't ever - EVER - give me cauliflower!

Nightjar "cpb"@" wrote:
David WE Roberts wrote:
...
ISTR my self-sufficiency books said that you needed a minimum of 4
acres to fully rotate crops and feed a family.
They were keeping a pig, though, for meat and for ploughing up the
land. I would have thought you might to keep at least chickens and
bees (assuming you regard these as livestock)...

I assumed the no livestock bit implied vegan. Not sure what their view
on bees is though.

They're not allowed to eat them?


Ian

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...

undertaking. If it were me, I'd probably develop a liking for goats

Yes, but this belongs in a completely different newsgroup ;-)

"Bruce" wrote in message
...


Being a vegan isn't easy.

No, its impossible, but that doesn't stop people deluding themselves.

wrote in message
...
On Jun 4, 11:45 am, wrote:

Veganism is as unnatural as the steak
diet so popular with other people, and it's extremely hard to avoid
malnutrition. In particular, B12 deficiency is a serious risk, so
supplements are needed.

Three slices of marmite on toast for breakfast each day give a person
ample B12.

It comes from a factory,
a factory where none vegans work,
therefore animals have been exploited to make marmite.
You can also be sure they employ mouse killers and insect killers, not
really a vegan product, but none are if you actually get down to it.

Michael

Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:31:07 +0100, stuart noble
wrote:
Bruce wrote:
others don't like being pressured by society into eating
things that they don't believe people should eat.

Broccoli for one


I adore broccoli. I eat it at least three times a week.


Nothing that smells that bad when cooking can possibly be fit for human
consumption. Small sprigs picked daily from the garden are just about
edible doused with butter and salt, but the giant stumps they sell in
supermarkets are just evil.

My big love is dried fruit. You know it's picked only when fully ripened
and, without the water, it can be shipped cheaply at any time of year.
Makes more sense to me than flying unripe, tasteless fruit halfway
across the world.


But don't ever - EVER - give me cauliflower!


Not even with 90% cheese content?

On Jun 4, 2:07*pm, "dennis@home"
wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 11:45 am, wrote:

Veganism is as unnatural as the steak
diet so popular with other people, and it's extremely hard to avoid
malnutrition. In particular, B12 deficiency is a serious risk, so
supplements are needed.

Three slices of marmite on toast for breakfast each day give a person
ample B12.

It comes from a factory,
a factory where none vegans work,
therefore animals have been exploited to make marmite.
You can also be sure they employ mouse killers and insect killers, not
really a vegan product, but none are if you actually get down to it.

I'm not a vegan, but I'm happy to let vegans define what a vegan is.

Michael

On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 14:15:25 +0100, stuart noble
wrote:
Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:31:07 +0100, stuart noble
wrote:
Bruce wrote:
others don't like being pressured by society into eating
things that they don't believe people should eat.

Broccoli for one


I adore broccoli. I eat it at least three times a week.


Nothing that smells that bad when cooking can possibly be fit for human
consumption. Small sprigs picked daily from the garden are just about
edible doused with butter and salt, but the giant stumps they sell in
supermarkets are just evil.


I cook it for 6 minutes in a microwave steamer. It smells fine to me,
but if you really don't like something, I suppose even the slightest
hint of it is awful.


My big love is dried fruit. You know it's picked only when fully ripened
and, without the water, it can be shipped cheaply at any time of year.
Makes more sense to me than flying unripe, tasteless fruit halfway
across the world.


I also like dried fruit. Apricots are a particular favourite, also
that good old fallback, California raisins.

I have relatives in South Africa. When I was a kid, they used to send
us a large box of crystallised fruit each Christmas - they never
posted early, so it used to arrive in February. But it was exquisite,
with each fruit looking like a scaled down version of itself, which of
course it was - dried and sweetened. Probably expensive.

The relative who used to send them died when I was about 20 so I
haven't tasted them for 35 years. But there is a South African owned
shop near me. My wife often calls in there for some of the unusual
food and snacks they have. A couple of weeks ago she brought home
some fruit sweets. They were thin, flat squares of what looked like
jelly, but as soon as I tasted them I realised they were made from the
same crystallised fruit I have loved as a child. Delicious!


But don't ever - EVER - give me cauliflower!

Not even with 90% cheese content?


I must admit I had a girlfriend who made wonderful cauliflower cheese.
She used lots of strong cheese and also had the most beautiful eyes,
which helped me forget completely that I was eating cauliflower. She
could have fed me almost anything ... and probably did. Sigh. ;-)

In article ,
Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 14:15:25 +0100, stuart noble
wrote:

But don't ever - EVER - give me cauliflower!

Not even with 90% cheese content?

I must admit I had a girlfriend who made wonderful cauliflower cheese.
She used lots of strong cheese and also had the most beautiful eyes,
which helped me forget completely that I was eating cauliflower. She
could have fed me almost anything ... and probably did. Sigh. ;-)

My children used to say (correctly) that I was the only person they
knew who made pink cauliflower cheese - with yellow cheese. Add
enough cayenne and even that becomes interesting ....


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:19:49 +0100 (BST), wrote:
In article ,
Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 14:15:25 +0100, stuart noble
wrote:

But don't ever - EVER - give me cauliflower!

Not even with 90% cheese content?

I must admit I had a girlfriend who made wonderful cauliflower cheese.
She used lots of strong cheese and also had the most beautiful eyes,
which helped me forget completely that I was eating cauliflower. She
could have fed me almost anything ... and probably did. Sigh. ;-)

My children used to say (correctly) that I was the only person they
knew who made pink cauliflower cheese - with yellow cheese. Add
enough cayenne and even that becomes interesting ....


Although I'm not a fan of cauliflower, I do make cauliflower cheese
for other people because it is such a quick, cheap and popular meal. I
have made it with Double Gloucester and also with a mixture of white
and blue Stilton. My usual recipe, which goes down well with guests,
includes mature cheddar and lots of garlic, topped with grated mature
cheddar and finished off under the grill.

If guests haven't had this dish with me before, they tend to exchange
puzzled glances when they realise I am going to eat something
completely different. ;-)

wrote:
On Jun 4, 2:07 pm, "dennis@home"
wrote:
wrote in message

...

On Jun 4, 11:45 am, wrote:
Veganism is as unnatural as the steak
diet so popular with other people, and it's extremely hard to avoid
malnutrition. In particular, B12 deficiency is a serious risk, so
supplements are needed.
Three slices of marmite on toast for breakfast each day give a person
ample B12.
It comes from a factory,
a factory where none vegans work,
therefore animals have been exploited to make marmite.
You can also be sure they employ mouse killers and insect killers, not
really a vegan product, but none are if you actually get down to it.

I'm not a vegan, but I'm happy to let vegans define what a vegan is.

If I was a vegan and a pigeon had a heart attack and died at my feet,
would I be allowed to eat it?


Michael

On Jun 3, 11:36*pm, Tim Watts wrote:
On 03/06/10 22:42, Frank Erskine wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:16:11 +0100, Tim *wrote:

You really need dairy even if you
don't eat the cow (well, not until it's getting past it). I suppose a
goat would be an more manageable option for milk. And I can't see how
you could survive without some hens (eggs and meat).

FWIW, I'm vegetarian but not vegan and while I don't take milk
(preferring the soya alternative), I eat eggs and various foods that
contain milk products. The reasons I don't want to keep livestock
include wanting to minimise the extent to which officialdom may poke
its nose in, and also because I've still got a lot to learn about
agriculture! :-) However my wife may be able to persuade me at some
point that having a cow would be worthwhile to supply milk for cheese-
making...

Michael