On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:26:35 GMT, Baz wrote:

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These are my thoughts and welcome or not, the truth.

Agreed - this thread has really cheered me up. I thought I was the only
person who hates Christmas - it would seem I'm not ! :-)

Yep - today is the most miserable day of the year. Everything I normally do
and enjoy suddenly stops and people spend their time doing things they
wouldn't contemplate doing at other times of the year. Why ?? Funny this
country of ours :-(
--
Regards,

Hugh Jampton

Roy Bailey wrote:


Roy (who lists Ebenezer Scrooge as one of his heroes!)

But the whole point of the Scrooge character, in Dickens' "Christmas
Carol", was that he reformed and celebrated Christmas with the rest of
the trolls.
He rejoined the mainstream of silly spending, false jollification and
hypocritical mainstream christianity.
I remember from the days of my youth, a comedian called Tom Lehrer who
wrote and sang a Christmas song, which included the immortal lines;

"On Christmas day you can't get sore
your fellow man you must adore,
cause you'll have reason all the more
to screw him the other 364!"

He also sang;

"Hark the Herald Tribune sings
Advertising wondrous things,
Angels we have heard on high,
tell us to go out and buy.
God rest you merry merchants
may you make the yuletide pay".

As another poster said, celebrate the end of the dark nights, and the
hope of spring and light at the end. Just let's take the Fairy stories
and the Pixy God in the sky out of it.

Peter

--
He spoke with a certain what-is-it in his voice, and I
could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far
from being gruntled.
P.G. Wodehouse 1881 -1975

On Dec 24, 1:26*pm, Baz wrote:
I never go to church to worship God.
I have never attended a church wedding.
My children have not been christened.
I have been trapped in a Tesco car park for 3 hours yesterday getting
essentials due to christmas shoppers.

When will this nightmare end?

How many of you get married in church with Gods blessing but never actually
go to church afterwards?

Most of you.

How many of you have been Christened or have had your child Christened? and
actually been back to church to say thanks in that special way that the
vicar does?

Not many of you.

These are my thoughts and welcome or not, the truth.
Baz

The answer is simple. You do your shopping a week early and don't go
near the place around Christmas. Can't understand these people who
leave it all to the last minute. Are they stupid or just got short
memories? Go out and buy your Christmas lights now. And your Christmas
gifts for next year. It's all half price or less.
Now that's how Scrooge operates.
I love Christmas.

harry wrote in
:

The answer is simple. You do your shopping a week early and don't go
near the place around Christmas. Can't understand these people who
leave it all to the last minute. Are they stupid or just got short
memories?


Unfortunatly it's not that simple, at least not this year as milk(even
uht), bread etc.and even petrol/diesel have been very hard to get due to
the snow, so we have had to take any opportunity to get these items.
The day I was trapped in the Tesco car park I was getting these articles as
we were simply desperate for petrol.
Our shopping does not alter for Christmas otherwise I WOULD do it early,
but yes I take your point.

Baz

"Baz" wrote in message
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harry wrote in
:

The answer is simple. You do your shopping a week early and don't go
near the place around Christmas. Can't understand these people who
leave it all to the last minute. Are they stupid or just got short
memories?


Unfortunatly it's not that simple, at least not this year as milk(even
uht), bread etc.and even petrol/diesel have been very hard to get due to
the snow, so we have had to take any opportunity to get these items.
The day I was trapped in the Tesco car park I was getting these articles
as
we were simply desperate for petrol.
Our shopping does not alter for Christmas otherwise I WOULD do it early,
but yes I take your point.

Baz

We were only 'snowed in' for a couple of days with regards to getting the
car out, but we have a small Co-op Mini Market within walking distance if
required. However we could easily go a week without needing to shop at a
supermarket. For most people Bread and Milk are the biggest problem, but the
former can be baked. With milk, we always have some four pinters in the
freezer and we get uht from the cash and carry and store it under the
stairs, 'the junk cupboard'. Petrol? depends what we are doing. we have
'gone into Christmas' with 100 miles in the tank according to the computer
on board.

We were ready for Christmas 48 hours before it arrived, at least 48 hours
:-))

Mike

--

....................................
Today, is the tomorrow, you were worrying about, yesterday.
....................................

In message , Baz
wrote

Unfortunatly it's not that simple, at least not this year as milk(even
uht),

I purchased a "box"[1] of UHT fully skimmed milk cartons in mid November
knowing that once the media report only 3 more shopping weeks to
Christmas much the general population go potty and buy 3 or 4 times more
than they need or can use.

A box at a time is my usual purchase of UHT milk throughout the rest of
the year.
--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

"Alan" wrote in message
...
In message , Baz
wrote

Unfortunatly it's not that simple, at least not this year as milk(even
uht),

I purchased a "box"[1] of UHT fully skimmed milk cartons in mid November
knowing that once the media report only 3 more shopping weeks to Christmas
much the general population go potty and buy 3 or 4 times more than they
need or can use.

A box at a time is my usual purchase of UHT milk throughout the rest of
the year.
--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk


Something else I cannot get my head round is a statement on the lines of
'Nearly 45% (or some such huge figure) of all the food we buy is thrown away
as waste'!!!
Not in this house! We cook what we know we are going to eat. Peelings etc go
in the compost heap. 'Left overs' ...... a rarity in this house, is put into
Bubble and Squeak, the soup pot, the hot pot etc., or such as an Apple
Crumble, eaten the next day warmed up in the Micro Wave etc etc etc.

I was brought up during the war and then my parents bought an hotel, so I
was brought up to be 'frugal' if that is the right word ;-) My daughter and
son in law have just sold their very big hotel. They didn't make their money
by wasting food.

Pru Leath used to 'help out and advise' when a restaurant was in difficulty.
The first place in the establishment she visited was the dustbins. To see
how much was being thrown away.

How much food do you throw away?

Mike

--

....................................
Today, is the tomorrow, you were worrying about, yesterday.
....................................

"'Mike'" wrote in
:


"Alan" wrote in message
...
In message , Baz
wrote

Unfortunatly it's not that simple, at least not this year as
milk(even uht),

I purchased a "box"[1] of UHT fully skimmed milk cartons in mid
November knowing that once the media report only 3 more shopping
weeks to Christmas much the general population go potty and buy 3 or
4 times more than they need or can use.

A box at a time is my usual purchase of UHT milk throughout the rest
of the year.
--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk


Something else I cannot get my head round is a statement on the lines
of 'Nearly 45% (or some such huge figure) of all the food we buy is
thrown away as waste'!!!
Not in this house! We cook what we know we are going to eat. Peelings
etc go in the compost heap. 'Left overs' ...... a rarity in this
house, is put into Bubble and Squeak, the soup pot, the hot pot etc.,
or such as an Apple Crumble, eaten the next day warmed up in the Micro
Wave etc etc etc.

I was brought up during the war and then my parents bought an hotel,
so I was brought up to be 'frugal' if that is the right word ;-) My
daughter and son in law have just sold their very big hotel. They
didn't make their money by wasting food.

Pru Leath used to 'help out and advise' when a restaurant was in
difficulty. The first place in the establishment she visited was the
dustbins. To see how much was being thrown away.

How much food do you throw away?

Mike


We here throw away too much I admit, but not peelings etc. they always
are composted.
When it's just the two of us, my OH and me, it's easy, but when the kids
and grandkids are with us things go belly up, but I love having them with
us.
We just don't know how much food to prepare for them. on a good day they
can eat us out of house and home but on a bad day its the opposite.
Waste is a thing that is becomming an issue for me personally and am
trying to address it.
We had our black bin (general purpose) emptied for the first time in 6
weeks on Thursday and you should have seen how many black bags each
household put out extra (the council said we could) and that made me
think what the hell is everyone chucking out?
Plastics & cardboard go into a different bin, as does garden waste into
another, glass and tins into a box, paper into another box. So what is
left to put into the general purpose bin for landfill? Food?

We, well most of us,throw too much food away ,don't we. Like throwing
money away.

Baz

In message , Baz
writes
harry wrote in
:

The answer is simple. You do your shopping a week early and don't go
near the place around Christmas. Can't understand these people who
leave it all to the last minute. Are they stupid or just got short
memories?


Unfortunatly it's not that simple, at least not this year as milk(even
uht), bread etc.and even petrol/diesel have been very hard to get due to
the snow, so we have had to take any opportunity to get these items.
The day I was trapped in the Tesco car park I was getting these articles as
we were simply desperate for petrol.
Our shopping does not alter for Christmas otherwise I WOULD do it early,
but yes I take your point.

Baz
As Harold Macmillan said "Events dear boy, events!" Perhaps it should
have been "Planning for events dear boy etc." It's not as if it's
unexpected :-))

Regardless - I hope you and yours have an enjoyable holiday; have a
great break and a peaceful and healthy New Year.
--
Gopher .... I know my place!

On Dec 26, 10:46*am, "'Mike'" wrote:
"Alan" wrote in message

...





In message , Baz
wrote

Unfortunatly it's not that simple, at least not this year as milk(even
uht),

I purchased a "box"[1] of UHT fully skimmed milk cartons in mid November
knowing that once the media report only 3 more shopping weeks to Christmas
much the general population go potty and buy 3 or 4 times more than they
need or can use.

A box at a time is my usual purchase of UHT milk throughout the rest of
the year.
--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

Something else I cannot get my head round is a statement on the lines of
'Nearly 45% (or some such huge figure) of all the food we buy is thrown away
as waste'!!!
Not in this house! We cook what we know we are going to eat. Peelings etc go
in the compost heap. 'Left overs' ...... a rarity in this house, is put into
Bubble and Squeak, the soup pot, the hot pot etc., *or such as an Apple
Crumble, eaten the next day warmed up in the Micro Wave etc etc etc.

I was brought up during the war and then my parents bought an hotel, so I
was brought up to be 'frugal' if that is the right word ;-) My daughter and
son in law have just sold their very big hotel. They didn't make their money
by wasting food.

Pru Leath used to 'help out and advise' when a restaurant was in difficulty.
The first place in the establishment she visited was the dustbins. To see
how much was being thrown away.

How much food do you throw away?

Mike

--

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Today, is the tomorrow, you were worrying about, yesterday.
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Hah. We throw away virtually nothing. My wife has a shopping list.
You see people going round the stores just chucking things in the
basket at random. Clueless!
If we get low on an item at home she has a list on the wall. The only
extras we might buy are non-perishable BOGOFs &c.
Peelings go on compost, birds get scraps, still got veg out of the
garden too.

Gopher wrote in
:

In message , Baz
writes
harry wrote in
:

The answer is simple. You do your shopping a week early and don't go
near the place around Christmas. Can't understand these people who
leave it all to the last minute. Are they stupid or just got short
memories?


Unfortunatly it's not that simple, at least not this year as milk(even
uht), bread etc.and even petrol/diesel have been very hard to get due
to the snow, so we have had to take any opportunity to get these
items. The day I was trapped in the Tesco car park I was getting these
articles as we were simply desperate for petrol.
Our shopping does not alter for Christmas otherwise I WOULD do it
early, but yes I take your point.

Baz
As Harold Macmillan said "Events dear boy, events!" Perhaps it should
have been "Planning for events dear boy etc." It's not as if it's
unexpected :-))

Regardless - I hope you and yours have an enjoyable holiday; have a
great break and a peaceful and healthy New Year.

Thanks for the history lesson:-)

Not everyone has a horse and cart or public transport, and even if they
did, on our frozen roads recently how would they get a-b.

It could be that Mr Macmillan did not know how to store petrol legally in
this century, or at least forgot to let you know.

http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/k...40NEW%20nov07%
20petrolhome.pdf

Mr Macmillan would be proud of me for planing ahead with my legal storage
of petrol.

After that, yes, I should have bought an extra freezer which I can't
afford and put it in a place I havn't room for and put in it some panic
buys that I havn't got the petrol to go and buy

Norman Tebbit once said "on your bike"(only joking)

Without going on too much about this, my family often live hand to mouth,
we don't earn too much though we have to have 2 cars for our jobs and
have put all our investement into the house. We have given up loads of
our passions just to keep up with the increasing cost of paying for the
flaming place. It was easy at first and we were paying it off as fast as
we could and just as well we did too.

Baz

In message , Baz
writes
Gopher wrote in
:

In message , Baz
writes
harry wrote in
:

The answer is simple. You do your shopping a week early and don't go
near the place around Christmas. Can't understand these people who
leave it all to the last minute. Are they stupid or just got short
memories?


Unfortunatly it's not that simple, at least not this year as milk(even
uht), bread etc.and even petrol/diesel have been very hard to get due
to the snow, so we have had to take any opportunity to get these
items. The day I was trapped in the Tesco car park I was getting these
articles as we were simply desperate for petrol.
Our shopping does not alter for Christmas otherwise I WOULD do it
early, but yes I take your point.

Baz
As Harold Macmillan said "Events dear boy, events!" Perhaps it should
have been "Planning for events dear boy etc." It's not as if it's
unexpected :-))

Regardless - I hope you and yours have an enjoyable holiday; have a
great break and a peaceful and healthy New Year.

Thanks for the history lesson:-)

Not everyone has a horse and cart or public transport, and even if they
did, on our frozen roads recently how would they get a-b.

It could be that Mr Macmillan did not know how to store petrol legally in
this century, or at least forgot to let you know.

http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/k...40NEW%20nov07%
20petrolhome.pdf

Mr Macmillan would be proud of me for planing ahead with my legal storage
of petrol.

After that, yes, I should have bought an extra freezer which I can't
afford and put it in a place I havn't room for and put in it some panic
buys that I havn't got the petrol to go and buy

Norman Tebbit once said "on your bike"(only joking)

Without going on too much about this, my family often live hand to mouth,
we don't earn too much though we have to have 2 cars for our jobs and
have put all our investement into the house. We have given up loads of
our passions just to keep up with the increasing cost of paying for the
flaming place. It was easy at first and we were paying it off as fast as
we could and just as well we did too.

Baz

And when you get old and frail they'll take it off you to pay for your
care.
--
hugh
"Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if
I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own
common sense." Buddha

harry wrote in
:

Hah. We throw away virtually nothing. My wife has a shopping list.
You see people going round the stores just chucking things in the
basket at random. Clueless!
If we get low on an item at home she has a list on the wall. The only
extras we might buy are non-perishable BOGOFs &c.
Peelings go on compost, birds get scraps, still got veg out of the
garden too.


harry,
What are BOGOFs &c ?

You are lucky to still get veg out of your garden.

ALL my hardy(winter) veg are rotting or rotten, even parsnip.

Yes chucking things in the basket at random...done that.
But I was a very young uninformed father then and it took my mother in the
supermarket to educate me about the ins and outs of it all.

20 years on and I am still one of the worst, but my OH knows a bit more
now.

Baz

hugh ] wrote in :

And when you get old and frail they'll take it off you to pay for your
care.

No doubt.

But if you plan, and trust your family things can be all so different.
(hint hint)

Baz

On 26/12/2010 14:48, Baz wrote:
] wrote in :

And when you get old and frail they'll take it off you to pay for your
care.

No doubt.

But if you plan, and trust your family things can be all so different.
(hint hint)

Baz

As long as you live 7 years after implementing said plan. I think the
statistics suggest that most don't.