On 4 Aug 2003 07:46:54 GMT, Nick Maclaren wrote:

In article ,
Rodger Whitlock wrote:

It is fundamental to the safe use of chemicals of all sorts
around the house that they *never* be mixed or stored, even for a
few minutes, in any container that would ever contain food or
drink. I would go so far as to say that this even applies to the
stuff you wash the kitchen floor with.

Whereas I would say that you are OTT.

My reasoning is that if you form the habit "never put non-food in
food containers", life is simpler and you are less liable to make
serious mistakes. IOW, I'm proposing a behavioral program without
claiming that the kitchen-floor-wash-stuff will poison you.


--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

On 4 Aug 2003 07:46:54 GMT, Nick Maclaren wrote:

In article ,
Rodger Whitlock wrote:

It is fundamental to the safe use of chemicals of all sorts
around the house that they *never* be mixed or stored, even for a
few minutes, in any container that would ever contain food or
drink. I would go so far as to say that this even applies to the
stuff you wash the kitchen floor with.

Whereas I would say that you are OTT.

My reasoning is that if you form the habit "never put non-food in
food containers", life is simpler and you are less liable to make
serious mistakes. IOW, I'm proposing a behavioral program without
claiming that the kitchen-floor-wash-stuff will poison you.


--
Rodger Whitlock
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada

anton wrote:

Mary Fisher wrote in message
.. .


Is urine poisonous?


Of course- in sufficient quantity. Just like pesticides.

Gosh. I've had gallons and gallons of urine in my body over sixty odd years
and I'm still around. My mum is ninety one.

Amazing.


No- not amazing. You've just proved that it's perfectly safe if
you follow the instructions on the can. Just like


pesticides ;-)

Sorry, but that's not true... organochlorines aren't 'perfectly safe'
whether you follow the instructions on the tin or not :-/

regards
sarah


--
Think of it as evolution in action.

sw wrote in message ...
anton wrote:

snip

To return to the point, the kneejerk classification of synthetic
pesticides as 'poisons' is merely hysterical when there are so
many natural poisons in the garden, and so many other
'poisons' in all other aspects of modern life.

On the other hand, your kneejerk support for pesticide
use is equally hysterical.

In support of your little fantasy, please quote my words to show
that I have a 'kneejerk support for pesticide use'.

Many natural poisons are nicely segregated in places where
they have no effect on me or mine. Anyone for ragwort?

Implicated in hundreds of deaths of horses per year in the
UK, according to a recent report iirc.

As to the rest, I
see no point in adding to the risk.


If avoiding all pesticide use is your chosen means of 'not
adding to the risk', fine. Some non-pesticide users make
greater use of plastic sheeting; flame-throwers; or powered
tools such as strimmers as a result of not using pesticides,
In my opinion the 'risks', whether environmental or
personal, of these actions are often greater than the risks
of pesticide use.

Please note however, I wouldn't dream of telling you that
your gardening method without pesticides is wrong,
whereas you appear to consider it reasonable for
people to scream about others putting 'poisons' into the
environment with any use of pesticides. Correct me if I
have misunderstood your views.

There's no point in continuing this, either. We will have
to agree to differ.

As you've misstated my position, you're not in a position
to agree on anything.

--
Anton

In article ,
(Alan Gould) wrote:

A few fag ends infused in water overnight would make a very
effective insecticide, but it caused a lot of health and safety
problems.

But surely this insecticide is pretty organic? :-)

Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com

In article ,
(Alan Gould) wrote:

A few fag ends infused in water overnight would make a very
effective insecticide, but it caused a lot of health and safety
problems.

But surely this insecticide is pretty organic? :-)

Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com

In article ,
(Steve Harris) writes:
| In article ,
| (Alan Gould) wrote:
|
| A few fag ends infused in water overnight would make a very
| effective insecticide, but it caused a lot of health and safety
| problems.
|
| But surely this insecticide is pretty organic? :-)

Organic, biodegradable and generally ecologically good. Not so
safe for humans, though ....


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article , Steve
Harris writes
But surely this insecticide is pretty organic? :-)

No. It is neither organic, nor legal.
--
Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs.

In article , Nick Maclaren
writes
| But surely this insecticide is pretty organic? :-)

Organic, biodegradable and generally ecologically good. Not so
safe for humans, though ....

Does it work on trolls Nick?
--
Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs.

In article ,
Alan Gould wrote:
In article , Steve
Harris writes
But surely this insecticide is pretty organic? :-)

No. It is neither organic, nor legal.

Are you using the word "organic" in the sense of Organic(TM)?

It is assuredly (a) organic in the chemical sense, (b) organic in
the sense that it is a natural plant extract, (c) organic in the
sense that it is ecologically almost harmless and probably organic
in other senses, too.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article ,
Alan Gould wrote:
In article , Nick Maclaren
writes
| But surely this insecticide is pretty organic? :-)

Organic, biodegradable and generally ecologically good. Not so
safe for humans, though ....

Does it work on trolls Nick?

Dunno. You would have to try it and see.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Alan Gould" wrote in message
...
In article , Steve
Harris writes
But surely this insecticide is pretty organic? :-)

No. It is neither organic,

If you are referring to nicotine, you are wrong.

nor legal.

Franz Heymann

Nick Maclaren wrote in message ...

In article ,
(Steve Harris) writes:
| In article ,
| (Alan Gould) wrote:
|
| A few fag ends infused in water overnight would make a very
| effective insecticide, but it caused a lot of health and safety
| problems.
|
| But surely this insecticide is pretty organic? :-)

Organic, biodegradable and generally ecologically good. Not so
safe for humans, though ....


Nicotine in itself is not that harmful, otherwise you wouldn't get
nicotine patches to help you kick the smoking habit. It is the by
products of setting light to it, and all the other chemicals that have
been added, that cause the problems.

Mike
www.british-naturism.org.uk

Nick Maclaren wrote in message ...

In article ,
(Steve Harris) writes:
| In article ,
| (Alan Gould) wrote:
|
| A few fag ends infused in water overnight would make a very
| effective insecticide, but it caused a lot of health and safety
| problems.
|
| But surely this insecticide is pretty organic? :-)

Organic, biodegradable and generally ecologically good. Not so
safe for humans, though ....


Nicotine in itself is not that harmful, otherwise you wouldn't get
nicotine patches to help you kick the smoking habit. It is the by
products of setting light to it, and all the other chemicals that have
been added, that cause the problems.

Mike
www.british-naturism.org.uk

Nick Maclaren wrote in message ...

In article ,
(Steve Harris) writes:
| In article ,
| (Alan Gould) wrote:
|
| A few fag ends infused in water overnight would make a very
| effective insecticide, but it caused a lot of health and safety
| problems.
|
| But surely this insecticide is pretty organic? :-)

Organic, biodegradable and generally ecologically good. Not so
safe for humans, though ....


Nicotine in itself is not that harmful, otherwise you wouldn't get
nicotine patches to help you kick the smoking habit. It is the by
products of setting light to it, and all the other chemicals that have
been added, that cause the problems.

Mike
www.british-naturism.org.uk