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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:02:24 +0100, Jaques d'Altrades
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When I were a lad I used to birdwatch on an old-fashioned sewage farm,
one where the sludge was spread on fields to fertilise crops. Tomatoes
used to sprout in some abundance around the sludge tanks, making a
welcome addition to my lunch sandwiches :-)

We had to make do with Hovis and dripping sandwiches, wrapped in Page
3 to keep them warm.

Luxury. Tha had dripping? Why, t'only dripping us had while childhood
were through top of t'box us family lived in.

box? we lived in t' gutter.

Quit moaning. At least you had running water. J d' A had to make with
dripping water.

Franz

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We had to make do with Hovis and dripping sandwiches, wrapped in Page
3 to keep them warm.

Luxury. Tha had dripping? Why, t'only dripping us had while childhood
were through top of t'box us family lived in.

box? we lived in t' gutter.

Luxury! They swept us family out of t'gutter and dumped us in t'box,
'appen. They kept us there while Christmas suspended over t'river like
some magician.

Christmas? There were no Christmas in t' mill

Mill? Luxury! Us worked 36 hours a day building t'cliffs oop Whitby way.

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There is no pavement or cycle path on the side of the road where the
giant hog weed was.

It was reported in the local newspaper

Eeee, I bet that surprised the readers when they opened it.

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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:00:50 GMT, Jaques d'Altrades
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We had to make do with Hovis and dripping sandwiches, wrapped in Page
3 to keep them warm.

Luxury. Tha had dripping? Why, t'only dripping us had while childhood
were through top of t'box us family lived in.

box? we lived in t' gutter.

Luxury! They swept us family out of t'gutter and dumped us in t'box,
'appen. They kept us there while Christmas suspended over t'river like
some magician.

Christmas? There were no Christmas in t' mill

Mill? Luxury! Us worked 36 hours a day building t'cliffs oop Whitby way.

with blocks of granite imported from Norway?
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:02:35 GMT, Jaques d'Altrades
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There is no pavement or cycle path on the side of the road where the
giant hog weed was.

It was reported in the local newspaper

Eeee, I bet that surprised the readers when they opened it.

I doubt it, it was on the front page :-)
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:34:30 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:19:00 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
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Having read all the stuff about the unintentional spread of GM
plants, and seen giant hog weed growing along miles of grass verges,
how can you be careful not to let it escape? Why does it appear some
years and not others?

I have sincere doubts if you have ever "seen giant hogweed growing along
miles of grass verges".

because?

Because it sounds highly unlikely to me.
I have, since I made my original remark, seen you say that you see the
phenomenon in Holland. I still have my doubts whether there is such a vast
infestation of giant hogweed in Holland.

I have a suspicion that you are talking about Hogweed (Heracleum
sphondylium) and not Giant Hogweed (Heracleum mantegazzianum. The former
grows
up

to 3 metres and the latter grows

up

to 5 metres according to my book. I
am also now pretty certain that the weed in my garden, which I earlier
referred to as "Giant Hogweed" is in fact sinply "Hogweed".

and does it cause blisters?


Franz

Franz

there are two of you now :-)

Hog weed reports
http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bssnrw/hogweed_reports.txt
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:34:30 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
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Having read all the stuff about the unintentional spread of GM
plants, and seen giant hog weed growing along miles of grass verges,
how can you be careful not to let it escape? Why does it appear some
years and not others?

I have sincere doubts if you have ever "seen giant hogweed growing
along
miles of grass verges".

because?

Because it sounds highly unlikely to me.
I have, since I made my original remark, seen you say that you see the
phenomenon in Holland. I still have my doubts whether there is such a
vast
infestation of giant hogweed in Holland.

I have a suspicion that you are talking about Hogweed (Heracleum
sphondylium) and not Giant Hogweed (Heracleum mantegazzianum. The former
grows
up

to 3 metres and the latter grows

up

to 5 metres according to my book. I
am also now pretty certain that the weed in my garden, which I earlier
referred to as "Giant Hogweed" is in fact sinply "Hogweed".

and does it cause blisters?

It did, on my wife's skin, but not on mine.

Franz

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:28:15 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
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to 5 metres according to my book. I
am also now pretty certain that the weed in my garden, which I earlier
referred to as "Giant Hogweed" is in fact sinply "Hogweed".

and does it cause blisters?

It did, on my wife's skin, but not on mine.

So maybe what was growing along the side of the road was just ordinary
hog weed.
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Martin

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We had to make do with Hovis and dripping sandwiches, wrapped
in Page
3 to keep them warm.

Luxury. Tha had dripping? Why, t'only dripping us had while childhood
were through top of t'box us family lived in.

box? we lived in t' gutter.

Luxury! They swept us family out of t'gutter and dumped us in t'box,
'appen. They kept us there while Christmas suspended over t'river like
some magician.

Christmas? There were no Christmas in t' mill

Mill? Luxury! Us worked 36 hours a day building t'cliffs oop Whitby way.

with blocks of granite imported from Norway?

Nay lad. It were your Hovis and dripping.

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Rusty Hinge
horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:31:14 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
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Thanks to Franz and to all kind gardeners who gave advice.
I thank (insert deity of choice here) that the bed in question is
small. Unfortunately, it is below a hedge of leylandii sortathings -
still only 6 foot tall or so, so probably eradicatable - and the soil
is rock hard from the combination of years worth of ground elder root
and neglect from the previous owner..
I guess I will save some money on gym membership by tackling it the
hard way, a square inch at a time. I *do* want to plant my daffs this
autumn.
There's no such thing as a free lunch, then, and no such thing as
painless gardening :-) I can overdose on Roundup next year.
Thanks again to all!
Cat(h)

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:31:14 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
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Thanks to Franz and to all kind gardeners who gave advice.
I thank (insert deity of choice here) that the bed in question is
small. Unfortunately, it is below a hedge of leylandii sortathings -
still only 6 foot tall or so, so probably eradicatable

That does not stop you from using glyphosate. However, you have now left it
too late. The ground elder has prety well stopped growing for this season.

- and the soil
is rock hard from the combination of years worth of ground elder root
and neglect from the previous owner..
I guess I will save some money on gym membership by tackling it the
hard way, a square inch at a time. I *do* want to plant my daffs this
autumn.

Unfortunately you won't succeed in getting rid of the ground elder. I look
forward to reading a note from you in which you acknowledge that the
Cassandras were in fact correct this time.
{:-((

Franz

There's no such thing as a free lunch, then, and no such thing as
painless gardening :-) I can overdose on Roundup next year.
Thanks again to all!
Cat(h)