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Garden is now a pond
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I have recently visited my new bungalow which is nearing completion, the builder is turfing the front garden but the rest of the garden is up to me. I was a bit dismayed to see that most of my rear garden is now a pond about 3 to 4 inches deep. The plot has been carved out of a field used for grazing sheep, I guess the ground has been compacted by the building work and is accepting the runoff from the field. It looks like I will have to hire a rotavator and put in some sort of land drainage. Any suggestions, I am guessing some sort of buried holy pipe leading to a pit full of rubble (soakaway ?), I think the rainwater from the roof is already going to a soakaway. TIA Paul |
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"Curiosity" wrote in message ... I was a bit dismayed to see that most of my rear garden is now a pond about 3 to 4 inches deep. The plot has been carved out of a field used for grazing sheep, I guess the ground has been compacted by the building work and is accepting the runoff from the field. Any suggestions, I am guessing some sort of buried holy pipe leading to a pit full of rubble (soakaway ?), I think the rainwater from the roof is already going to a soakaway. Accept the inevitable and design in a water garden at the lowest point for the water to drain into. An automatic bilge pump arrangement can be set up to dump any surplus into a nearby drain (which I am assuming will run at a lower level than your garden). -- Brian "posting from Sutton, winner of The English And Welsh Village Of The Year Award" |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:03:16 -0000, "Brian Watson"
wrote: "Curiosity" wrote in message .. . I was a bit dismayed to see that most of my rear garden is now a pond about 3 to 4 inches deep. The plot has been carved out of a field used for grazing sheep, I guess the ground has been compacted by the building work and is accepting the runoff from the field. Any suggestions, I am guessing some sort of buried holy pipe leading to a pit full of rubble (soakaway ?), I think the rainwater from the roof is already going to a soakaway. Accept the inevitable and design in a water garden at the lowest point for the water to drain into. The plot is absolutely flat with no slope at all. An automatic bilge pump arrangement can be set up to dump any surplus into a nearby drain (which I am assuming will run at a lower level than your garden). There is a land drain running along the edge of the field, unfortunately it runs alongside someone else's plot. I have been monitoring the build for almost 9 months and have never seen this amount of surface water before. Another thought occurs to me might to raise the level of the garden slightly above the field with another load of topsoil ?. |
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from Curiosity contains these words: I have recently visited my new bungalow which is nearing completion, the builder is turfing the front garden but the rest of the garden is up to me. I was a bit dismayed to see that most of my rear garden is now a pond about 3 to 4 inches deep. The plot has been carved out of a field used for grazing sheep, I guess the ground has been compacted by the building work and is accepting the runoff from the field. It looks like I will have to hire a rotavator and put in some sort of land drainage. Any suggestions, I am guessing some sort of buried holy pipe leading to a pit full of rubble (soakaway ?), I think the rainwater from the roof is already going to a soakaway. I think you have answered your own question in the subject field. But if you are hell-bent on terra-firma I'd spread a lorryload of mushroom compost mixed with sharp sand, and top-dress with whiting. That's calcium carbonate, not Merlangus merlangus, BTW. The worms will soon get it back to free-draining condition. (FSVO 'soon') -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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"Curiosity" wrote in message
... Hi I have recently visited my new bungalow which is nearing completion, the builder is turfing the front garden but the rest of the garden is up to me. I was a bit dismayed to see that most of my rear garden is now a pond about 3 to 4 inches deep. The plot has been carved out of a field used for grazing sheep, I guess the ground has been compacted by the building work and is accepting the runoff from the field. It looks like I will have to hire a rotavator and put in some sort of land drainage. Any suggestions, I am guessing some sort of buried holy pipe leading to a pit full of rubble (soakaway ?), I think the rainwater from the roof is already going to a soakaway. TIA Paul Hi, I specialize in new gardens so this is familiar! The soil structure has been damaged to some depth. Digging bores may help initially. You need to turn a good depth to sort the problem out. The old fashion double-dig is best and you get to work some added nutrients in as well. If the sub-soil is clay and near the surface then add some land-drain piping or a channel dug and part filled with gravel running into your soak-away. If the soil is not clay you could upset the water levels for your finished garden. Neil Faulkner www.conceptgardens.com |
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Curiosity wrote: Hi I have recently visited my new bungalow which is nearing completion, the builder is turfing the front garden but the rest of the garden is up to me. I was a bit dismayed to see that most of my rear garden is now a pond about 3 to 4 inches deep. The plot has been carved out of a field used for grazing sheep, I guess the ground has been compacted by the building work and is accepting the runoff from the field. It looks like I will have to hire a rotavator and put in some sort of land drainage. Any suggestions, I am guessing some sort of buried holy pipe leading to a pit full of rubble (soakaway ?), I think the rainwater from the roof is already going to a soakaway. No, DON'T do that! This is a FAQ. Since you are having a bungalow built, you have a case against the architect or builder if your hypothesis is correct. The first thing to do is to get the soil checked. If you are on impermeable subsoil (e.g. clay), a soakaway will just fill up in winter. You will need a drainage channel to somewhere that will take the surplus. If not, then you can get the BUILDER to provide a proper soakaway, and do make sure that it is man enough for the job, which usually means a LOT bigger than you think. Similarly, if the solution is a drainage channel. If you are on impermeable soil and there is nowhere to drain the water to, the problem is SERIOUS. Get an expert in. In all cases, you may well need a solicitor, and I would advise talking to one, pronto. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Was the land flooded or at least very damp last year? If it was, it
suggests it's the site not the builder at fault. Compaction by builders often makes sites look more flooded than before but if there's serious deterioration, it may be they've "broken" something. But you need proper advice on site. Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com A useful bit of gardening software at http://www.netservs.com/garden/ |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:30:23 +0100, martin wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:22 +0000 (GMT), (Steve Harris) wrote: Was the land flooded or at least very damp last year? If it was, it suggests it's the site not the builder at fault. Compaction by builders often makes sites look more flooded than before but if there's serious deterioration, it may be they've "broken" something. But you need proper advice on site. OP should bear in mind that after the recent rain fields are flooded in this part of the Netherlands, we don't see that often. Yes I agree here, this flooding has happened after the recent heavy snow falls in the area, I have never seen the garden flood like this over the previous 9 -10 months I have been visiting the building site. All other points noted and will investigate, thanks all for the advise, I will have a word with the builder. Paul |
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Curiosity wrote: Yes I agree here, this flooding has happened after the recent heavy snow falls in the area, I have never seen the garden flood like this over the previous 9 -10 months I have been visiting the building site. Well, that implies that you didn't see it last winter. If it hasn't happened earlier this year AND it drains away reasonably fast this time, then you probably have nothing much to worry about and you can get the builder to provide a soakaway. But it is also possible that it has taken this long since the rain started (last October?) for the subsoil to saturate and it will not now drain until March. In that case, fiddling with a soakaway will not help and you need to take serious action. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Curiosity" wrote in message ... On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:03:16 -0000, "Brian Watson" wrote: "Curiosity" wrote in message .. . I was a bit dismayed to see that most of my rear garden is now a pond about 3 to 4 inches deep. Accept the inevitable and design in a water garden at the lowest point for the water to drain into. The plot is absolutely flat with no slope at all. Welcome to the fens. :-/ Alternatively, take the advice to build up some parts and lower others and then follow my previous advice re draining it from the lowest point. Personally I am wary of this "you may have a case..." thing. Litigation is a pain in the wallet and you can easily turn this situation to your gardening advantage. -- Brian "I know about kittens and knitting. Will that do?" |
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from "Brian Watson" contains these words: The plot is absolutely flat with no slope at all. Welcome to the fens. :-/ Alternatively, take the advice to build up some parts and lower others and then follow my previous advice re draining it from the lowest point. Personally I am wary of this "you may have a case..." thing. Litigation is a pain in the wallet and you can easily turn this situation to your gardening advantage. Ah, but guess what Nick does for a living......... -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message
from "Brian Watson" contains these words: Alternatively, take the advice to build up some parts and lower others and then follow my previous advice re draining it from the lowest point. Personally I am wary of this "you may have a case..." thing. Litigation is a pain in the wallet and you can easily turn this situation to your gardening advantage. Litigation isn't necessary; there are trade and planning standards which housebuilders are meant to conform to, before the building's completion certificate and construction guarantee can be awarded. The building must pass planning and building control standards to satisfy building insurance companies and mortgage lenders. Regardless of whether the builder is responsible for landscaping the back garden, he's responsible for surface water drainage surrounding the house. Three inches of standing water throughout winter on a flat site might breach a dampcourse or rise up under floors. The OP can take it up with the builder (in writing), and then the planning dept, local building control etc. Ultimately, you with-hold payment until the building meets the legally required standard. Incidentally, you can only drain a garden from its lowest point if there's somewhere lower, and legal, for the water to go. Getting that wrong (piping it into next door's garden for example) is far more likely to involve the poster in litigation, than making sure the builder meets normal contract standards. Janet |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:36:17 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: Ah, but guess what Nick does for a living......... water diviner? -- Martin |
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martin wrote: On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:36:17 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: Ah, but guess what Nick does for a living......... water diviner? Nope. I have done it, but never professionally, and would not regard it as one of my main skills :-) Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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