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"Chookie" wrote in message
... In article , "0tterbot" wrote: right. after a bit of back-and-forthing, yeomans have sent me their catalogue, and various other burblings. i'm a bit horrified that they are pro-nuclear. and also a bit horrified about other spelling mistakes (actual mistakes) in their leaflets - but let's not go there again. perhaps i am also horrified that, for a machinery company, they have a LOT of opinions (albeit badly-spelled ;-). I find some of the opinions of the Diggers Club a bit horrific (particularly the nonsense they talk about native plants), but I still buy their seeds. oh, i agree (if you're talking about their tendency to dismiss "native plants" almost entirely out of hand!!! it's pretty outrageous). but digger's don't undermine themselves in a breezily scary way - it's more a preference & gardeners know their own preferences, so i suppose i feel that doesn't matter in my own relationship with digger's. digger's don't suggest for example that nuclear energy is not only economic for australia, but that we can dump nuclear waste "in the titanic"(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) i'm starting to wonder if the yeomans family aren't just crazy hillfolk with engineering degrees. (who won't just use their dictionaries.) kylie |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
... I can hear the delightful (gag!) Christopher Pyne pontificating in the background on TV and already I'm soooooo sick of vaudeville that I'll be incredibly relieved when the Fed election is finally over. How any electorate could send him to Parliament is beyond me - must be a majority of total Wallies in his electorate. i see that your reading of my post was ruined by the presence of christopher pyne on lateline g. I also have real thing about spelling mistakes and especially ones from organisation that should be capable of doing a better job. It' so sloppily unprofessional. that's it. along with the oddball opinions, it creates doubt in one's mind. But having said that, I have heard lots of good reports of the Yeomans Plows (gag again!) to the utterly uninformed eye, they seem very flexible! and i do like that idea of ripping without turning (which obviously isn't a new idea). for a machinery company, they have a LOT of opinions God!!! So does the delectible Christopher Pyne. If his whiny tone of voice is any indication, the Govt must be getting very nervous. i think they are ready to soil their frilly knickers. did you see p. costello the other night? it took us 1/2 hour to work out what the hell was wrong with him. eventually dh hit upon it - he was acting exactly like john clarke impersonating p. costello. it was _surreal_. creepy though he can be, i don't mind p. costello as he has that saving grace - a sense of humour, but i think maybe paul keating was right - he's all tip & no iceberg now. tee hee. So what is it you don't understand. Not that I can necessarily help you but their may be some comfort in mutual ignorance. i can't even seem to work out what a "coulter" is! I've asked them to send me their "RED BOOK" but that was some time ago now and the sodding thing still hasn't arrived. Now that the rain ahs arrived we need to get moving on a suitable plough to fit our tractor's capacity. if you would like mine, i would be happy to send it as i have doubts it's any use to me - i just don't need that sort of scale & i think i must have thought they'd have some sort of tiny all-in-one object for the smaller user. they got it to me in a couple of days, very efficient. let me know if you would like it. kylie |
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God!!! So does the delectible Christopher Pyne. If his whiny tone of voice is any indication, the Govt must be getting very nervous. I wish he'd shut up or the anchor person would put an apple in his mouth before roasting him. I Loooove the ABC people....all the other stations do is put some desperately keen decorative young journo in to ask mundane questions that they think are *very* original....whereas ABC journos just love making the pollies squirm....especially Kerry O'Brien. I wonder how many pollies go off and cry with humiliation in the ABC toilets after being interviewed by him... |
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"0tterbot" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message I can hear the delightful (gag!) Christopher Pyne pontificating in the background i see that your reading of my post was ruined by the presence of christopher pyne on lateline g. Yup! I'm only glad I was in another room and didn't actually listen to anything he said. My rather large blundstone might otherwise have put a hole in the TV. I also have real thing about spelling mistakes and especially ones from organisation that should be capable of doing a better job. It' so sloppily unprofessional. that's it. along with the oddball opinions, it creates doubt in one's mind. I must admit that I don't mind oddball opinions if it's not opinions being foisted on me by politicians who actually have to power to impact on my life. I might argue strongly against them but I find that they make me think about why I don't like them so I think they are often a good brain tester. But having said that, I have heard lots of good reports of the Yeomans Plows (gag again!) to the utterly uninformed eye, they seem very flexible! and i do like that idea of ripping without turning (which obviously isn't a new idea). In agricultural terms I think it was new to this country and given that they also export to the US, I think they were certainly there in the earliest of days. If you read the Yeoman's books you'll se what I mean. I know there are at least some chapters available online if not the whole of the first book. Yeomans was the equivalent of the Peter Andrews (of natural sequence farming fame) of his day. You may also be interested in the Potter Farms in Victoria of you need to regenerate farming land. i think they are ready to soil their frilly knickers. Yup. They are starting to ask to be called by their first name these days. amazing how and election can know off their arrogance. did you see p. costello the other night? it took us 1/2 hour to work out what the hell was wrong with him. eventually dh hit upon it - he was acting exactly like john clarke impersonating p. costello. it was _surreal_. creepy though he can be, i don't mind p. costello as he has that saving grace - a sense of humour, but i think maybe paul keating was right - he's all tip & no iceberg now. tee hee. I actually don't find Costello creepy at all. The real problem for many pollies is that they are very differnt in the flesh than they appear on the box or in the 10 second grabs on the radio. He is a very decent human being (with that good sense of humour you mentioned) and I could cope with the Libs being in govt if he was at the helm (except I do have some concerns given that he was the legal eagle involved in the infamous Dollar Sweets court case). He isn't up himself like some. I also like Bronwyn Bishop. Pity she gets such undeserved bad press - she actually has a conscience. But I agree with Keating. Since Costello didn't make his run when he last threatened to, he won't now have a chance. So what is it you don't understand. Not that I can necessarily help you but their may be some comfort in mutual ignorance. i can't even seem to work out what a "coulter" is! Its the cutting bit. Probably best to show you a pic so look at: http://www.unibar.com.au/products/ag/ub44-900.html It's the round discs in front of the shanks. I've asked them to send me their "RED BOOK" but that was some time ago now and the sodding thing still hasn't arrived. Now that the rain ahs arrived we need to get moving on a suitable plough to fit our tractor's capacity. if you would like mine, i would be happy to send it as i have doubts it's any use to me - i just don't need that sort of scale & i think i must have thought they'd have some sort of tiny all-in-one object for the smaller user. they got it to me in a couple of days, very efficient. let me know if you would like it. Thanks for the offer but since I've already asked them for it, I'm probably in the system somewhere - I mailed them so I might just have to do as you did and go online if it's not here in a couple of days. |
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"meee" wrote in message
God!!! So does the delectible Christopher Pyne. If his whiny tone of voice is any indication, the Govt must be getting very nervous. I wish he'd shut up or the anchor person would put an apple in his mouth before roasting him. I Loooove the ABC people....all the other stations do is put some desperately keen decorative young journo in to ask mundane questions that they think are *very* original.... I think that describing the people on the commercial channels as being "journos" is far too complimentary. They arent' a journo's bootstraps to my way of thinking. whereas ABC journos just love making the pollies squirm....especially Kerry O'Brien. I wonder how many pollies go off and cry with humiliation in the ABC toilets after being interviewed by him... I think the woman on Lateline is even better than Kerry. She is so smilingly polite and charming and laughs with them but then won't let them off the hook till they actually answer the question that she asked them. They squirm and prevaricate but each time she brings them right back and eventually gets an answer out of them. Don't know her name, but she will go far is she doesn't move over to a commercial channel. |
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"Stuart Naylor" wrote in message
... On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:25:42 +1100, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "meee" wrote in message I Loooove the ABC people....all the other stations do is put some desperately keen decorative young journo in to ask mundane questions that they think are *very* original.... whereas ABC journos just love making the pollies squirm....especially Kerry O'Brien. I wonder how many pollies go off and cry with humiliation in the ABC toilets after being interviewed by him... I think the woman on Lateline is even better than Kerry. She is so smilingly polite and charming and laughs with them but then won't let them off the hook till they actually answer the question that she asked them. They squirm and prevaricate but each time she brings them right back and eventually gets an answer out of them. Don't know her name, but she will go far is she doesn't move over to a commercial channel. I've never watched Lateline because it comes on too late for me. But one talented ABC personality left Melbourne ABC Radio and took up a position in morning radio ABC Sydney and is now on Lateline. Was she blonde or dark haired, were you thinking of Virginia Trioli? Dark hair but I don't think I've ever caught her name, I've just noticed how good she is, extremely charming and appears to be so quite naturally which tends to lull them into a false sense of security that she'll have not noticed that they didn't answer the question but she's like a terrier and doesn't let them off the hook at all. Very talented and a very good mind. |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... "meee" wrote in message God!!! So does the delectible Christopher Pyne. If his whiny tone of voice is any indication, the Govt must be getting very nervous. I wish he'd shut up or the anchor person would put an apple in his mouth before roasting him. I Loooove the ABC people....all the other stations do is put some desperately keen decorative young journo in to ask mundane questions that they think are *very* original.... I think that describing the people on the commercial channels as being "journos" is far too complimentary. They arent' a journo's bootstraps to my way of thinking. Too true. Probably graduates of the aAustralian school of Film and TV.... whereas ABC journos just love making the pollies squirm....especially Kerry O'Brien. I wonder how many pollies go off and cry with humiliation in the ABC toilets after being interviewed by him... I think the woman on Lateline is even better than Kerry. She is so smilingly polite and charming and laughs with them but then won't let them off the hook till they actually answer the question that she asked them. They squirm and prevaricate but each time she brings them right back and eventually gets an answer out of them. Don't know her name, but she will go far is she doesn't move over to a commercial channel. Where she's have a career of, oh, five years......SBS is also good. |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
... I've never watched Lateline because it comes on too late for me. But one talented ABC personality left Melbourne ABC Radio and took up a position in morning radio ABC Sydney and is now on Lateline. Was she blonde or dark haired, were you thinking of Virginia Trioli? Dark hair but I don't think I've ever caught her name, I've just noticed how good she is, extremely charming and appears to be so quite naturally which tends to lull them into a false sense of security that she'll have not noticed that they didn't answer the question but she's like a terrier and doesn't let them off the hook at all. Very talented and a very good mind. ya, it was virginia trioli last friday. i'm not sure if she'll always be there or if it's temporary - i adored maxine mckew passionately & so i can't really accept anyone else of a friday :-) but, all things must change. kylie |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
... that's it. along with the oddball opinions, it creates doubt in one's mind. I must admit that I don't mind oddball opinions if it's not opinions being foisted on me by politicians who actually have to power to impact on my life. I might argue strongly against them but I find that they make me think about why I don't like them so I think they are often a good brain tester. i should probably rephrase that, as i don't mind oddball opinions either in fact. well, i'm sure i object to some of them. what i object to is oddball bits within an otherwise non-oddball system of belief/thought/argument. e.g.: there's nothing oddball about espousing ripping systems to regenerate soil and doing various things to promote soil health nor the idea that soil health is the key to saving us all. BUT, if within that system of thought the yeomans are _also_ espousing nuclear energy as part of the system when we all know it cannot be made economic for 30- 50 years; advocating broad-scale clearing (because they've decided carbon sequestration into soil, rather than or as well as trees is the key); and making bizarre claims such as that nuclear waste has a 90% breakdown within 50 years when no other person (e.g. nuclear scientists) say any such thing (even most plastics don't break down that fast!). the first example makes no sense - it's totally uneconomic; any benefit would simply be too slow and any potential advantage is tainted by the question of what to do with the waste (obviously "we" can't just "put it in the titanic"). the second example is daft because even if carbon sequestration into soil is "better" than into trees, trees clearly have many other uses other than as carbon sinks. and afaik, the third claim is simply wrong. i could give other examples but i'm concerned i'm just whingeing :-) the whacko booklet is quite recent but is already out of date, that would be one problem (e.g. no mention of geothermal energy). so yeah, people can be oddball & that's fine, but if they're promoting a system, the whole system has to be consistent & logical on its own terms. In agricultural terms I think it was new to this country and given that they also export to the US, I think they were certainly there in the earliest of days. If you read the Yeoman's books you'll se what I mean. I know there are at least some chapters available online if not the whole of the first book. Yeomans was the equivalent of the Peter Andrews (of natural sequence farming fame) of his day. mm, but ripping-without-turning was/is entirely promoted in australia by the permies, i thought(?) not to put too fine a point on it, the yeomans are pretty obscure. if they stuck to their part (making machinery for those types of ends) without telling everyone to chop down trees and go nuclear & that there's "no point" in anyone saving energy(!), maybe things would be different! (similar to my gripe about the biodynamic set ;-) I actually don't find Costello creepy at all. i find his love affair with those hillsong snots to be very, very creepy and dubious. other than that, and most of his politics and policies, i don't have a problem with him :-) The real problem for many pollies is that they are very differnt in the flesh than they appear on the box or in the 10 second grabs on the radio. He is a very decent human being (with that good sense of humour you mentioned) and I could cope with the Libs being in govt if he was at the helm i'd prefer it, to tell you the truth. i think that moment came last year, was not taken up, & there's going to be a few people sorry that it didn't happen. (except I do have some concerns given that he was the legal eagle involved in the infamous Dollar Sweets court case). He isn't up himself like some. I also like Bronwyn Bishop. Pity she gets such undeserved bad press - she actually has a conscience. i think she's a bitch from hell who also plays the man but not the ball in a humourless evil way, but then again i rather like amanda vanstone for her forthrightness, which makes people fall off their chairs sometimes when i say that :-) Its the cutting bit. Probably best to show you a pic so look at: http://www.unibar.com.au/products/ag/ub44-900.html It's the round discs in front of the shanks. heavens, i thought those were wheels of some kind. Thanks for the offer but since I've already asked them for it, I'm probably in the system somewhere - I mailed them so I might just have to do as you did and go online if it's not here in a couple of days. have a moan at them about their terrible spelling - it makes them sit up & take notice ;-) kylie |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: Have you used Eden seeds at all? No -- are they less, um, forthright than Clive Blazey? -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled." Kerry Cue |
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"0tterbot" wrote in message
... "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... that's it. along with the oddball opinions, it creates doubt in one's mind. I must admit that I don't mind oddball opinions if it's not opinions being foisted on me by politicians who actually have to power to impact on my life. I might argue strongly against them but I find that they make me think about why I don't like them so I think they are often a good brain tester. i should probably rephrase that, as i don't mind oddball opinions either in fact. well, i'm sure i object to some of them. what i object to is oddball bits within an otherwise non-oddball system of belief/thought/argument. e.g.: there's nothing oddball about espousing ripping systems to regenerate soil and doing various things to promote soil health nor the idea that soil health is the key to saving us all. BUT, if within that system of thought the yeomans are _also_ espousing nuclear energy as part of the system when we all know it cannot be made economic for 30- 50 years; advocating broad-scale clearing (because they've decided carbon sequestration into soil, rather than or as well as trees is the key); and making bizarre claims such as that nuclear waste has a 90% breakdown within 50 years when no other person (e.g. nuclear scientists) say any such thing (even most plastics don't break down that fast!). the first example makes no sense - it's totally uneconomic; any benefit would simply be too slow and any potential advantage is tainted by the question of what to do with the waste (obviously "we" can't just "put it in the titanic"). the second example is daft because even if carbon sequestration into soil is "better" than into trees, trees clearly have many other uses other than as carbon sinks. and afaik, the third claim is simply wrong. i could give other examples but i'm concerned i'm just whingeing :-) the whacko booklet is quite recent but is already out of date, that would be one problem (e.g. no mention of geothermal energy). Just got home from a few days away travelling and the Yeoman's Red Book has arrived - not yet had time to do more then flip through it - saw the coulters you mentioned! Was it the Red Book you received from them? Look forward to looking for their wacky ideas. so yeah, people can be oddball & that's fine, but if they're promoting a system, the whole system has to be consistent & logical on its own terms. Not sure I'd agree with that. Some parts of systems can be good whilst others parts of a system may be totally impractical, not working, a total loon idea etc - depends on the system. But will look at the yeomans in a systems light before saying more. In agricultural terms I think it was new to this country and given that they also export to the US, I think they were certainly there in the earliest of days. If you read the Yeoman's books you'll se what I mean. I know there are at least some chapters available online if not the whole of the first book. Yeomans was the equivalent of the Peter Andrews (of natural sequence farming fame) of his day. mm, but ripping-without-turning was/is entirely promoted in australia by the permies, i thought(?) Yeoman's has been around much longer then permaculture - wouldn't surprise me if the permies got the idea from Yeoman's to beging with. not to put too fine a point on it, the yeomans are pretty obscure. Not in agricultural terms where Yeomans is quite well known. In agri terms, it is the permies who are considered to be tree hugging loons by the more unenlightened agribods. if they stuck to their part (making machinery for those types of ends) without telling everyone to chop down trees and go nuclear & that there's "no point" in anyone saving energy(!), maybe things would be different! (similar to my gripe about the biodynamic set ;-) ZI guess it's like most things in life - we need to take from it the bits we like, experiment with them and themn either tweak them, live with them or abandon them. I actually don't find Costello creepy at all. i find his love affair with those hillsong snots to be very, very creepy and dubious. Yup. But then if you look at politics in its entirety over a long time frame, you'll find that the recent tilt to the right (both religion and in terms of the drys vs the wets) just about all of the would be players are flirting with religion. Not only that but the house is now infested with religious groups who meet for regular prayer fests. Dunno whatever happened to the idea of "representation". If they were truly representative, most of them would be heathens like the rest of us. other than that, and most of his politics and policies, i don't have a problem with him :-) The real problem for many pollies is that they are very differnt in the flesh than they appear on the box or in the 10 second grabs on the radio. He is a very decent human being (with that good sense of humour you mentioned) and I could cope with the Libs being in govt if he was at the helm i'd prefer it, to tell you the truth. i think that moment came last year, was not taken up, & there's going to be a few people sorry that it didn't happen. (except I do have some concerns given that he was the legal eagle involved in the infamous Dollar Sweets court case). He isn't up himself like some. I also like Bronwyn Bishop. Pity she gets such undeserved bad press - she actually has a conscience. i think she's a bitch from hell who also plays the man but not the ball in a humourless evil way, Well from now on, watch her and actually lsiten to what she says. She is not humorous, but she is even handed in whom she gives a serve to and most (but not all in common with all of them) of what she says is worth listening to. She gave a serve to Howard recently on childcare ("he is a man!") and she was quite right again in being even handed about who got what. but then again i rather like amanda vanstone for her forthrightness, which makes people fall off their chairs sometimes when i say that :-) Which says more about them than it does you. Amanda has at least 3 really shitty jobs now that I can recall without even thinking about it, and she has handled them all reasonably well. When she has cleaned up the shit in all of those jobs, Howard has rewarded her by moving her to another shitty job, putting one of his toadies in her place and finally giving her the sack and promoting more toadies. He's not loyal, but then I guess Amamda could expect no more - she's too much of a wet for his very dry tastes. Thanks for the offer but since I've already asked them for it, I'm probably in the system somewhere - I mailed them so I might just have to do as you did and go online if it's not here in a couple of days. have a moan at them about their terrible spelling - it makes them sit up & take notice ;-) Will do when I get to it. |
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"Chookie" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: Have you used Eden seeds at all? No -- are they less, um, forthright than Clive Blazey? :-)) I suspect so as I've never, ever seen anything from them or about them except for the excellent list of seeds they produce. |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
... Just got home from a few days away travelling and the Yeoman's Red Book has arrived - not yet had time to do more then flip through it - saw the coulters you mentioned! Was it the Red Book you received from them? Look forward to looking for their wacky ideas. no - the red book is their catalogue, yes? the Wacky Ideas were in a seperate pamphlet (of which i received two). i thought the yeomans would enjoy the idea that i'm using the pamplets in a sheet compost, thus improving my soil g. Yeoman's has been around much longer then permaculture - wouldn't surprise me if the permies got the idea from Yeoman's to beging with. they certainly got their ideas from someone nutty. /runs away from the angry permies now chasing me with torches and pitchforks in fact, my newest digger's catalogue mentions wossisname yeomans. perhaps their day is coming!!!!! Yup. But then if you look at politics in its entirety over a long time frame, you'll find that the recent tilt to the right (both religion and in terms of the drys vs the wets) just about all of the would be players are flirting with religion. Not only that but the house is now infested with religious groups who meet for regular prayer fests. Dunno whatever happened to the idea of "representation". If they were truly representative, most of them would be heathens like the rest of us. amen!! Well from now on, watch her and actually lsiten to what she says. no way man. she frightens me. kylie |
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"0tterbot" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message Was it the Red Book you received from them? Look forward to looking for their wacky ideas. no - the red book is their catalogue, yes? Yes the Wacky Ideas were in a seperate pamphlet (of which i received two). i thought the yeomans would enjoy the idea that i'm using the pamplets in a sheet compost, thus improving my soil g. Didn't get to read their wackie ideas - didn't get the pamphlet. Yeoman's has been around much longer then permaculture - wouldn't surprise me if the permies got the idea from Yeoman's to beging with. they certainly got their ideas from someone nutty. /runs away from the angry permies now chasing me with torches and pitchforks I really can't understand your antipathy to permaculture Otter, much of it works well - in fact ost of the ideas that I've tried have. in fact, my newest digger's catalogue mentions wossisname yeomans. perhaps their day is coming!!!!! Perhaps it's just that the regular gardening world is finally beginning to discover the wider world of agriculture???? Well from now on, watch her and actually lsiten to what she says. no way man. she frightens me. She's actually very charming. Pity it doesn't come through in 10 second grabs. |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
... I really can't understand your antipathy to permaculture Otter, much of it works well - in fact ost of the ideas that I've tried have. i'm a pest, aren't i :-( much of my bias stems from badly-written books & the fact that the permies who used to live here managed to do so many incomprehensible and badly-thought-out things which i now must undo on my own time. i am aware that my bias is purely a bias. in fact, my newest digger's catalogue mentions wossisname yeomans. perhaps their day is coming!!!!! Perhaps it's just that the regular gardening world is finally beginning to discover the wider world of agriculture???? i actually think that the mass-soil-improvement idea is one whose time has come!! so good on cranky clive for mentioning it and spreading the word. it would go both ways though - agriculturalists could learn a great deal from good gardeners (not me, obviously ;-) She's actually very charming. Pity it doesn't come through in 10 second grabs. i am clearly insensible to whatever charm she has to offer, so i am more than happy to agree to disagree :-) kylie |
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