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22-04-2005, 11:56 PM
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[IBC] It's spring and I need sprouting advice :D
I have used 1 qt glass jars over cuttings and I woudl
thing that sprouting seeds under cling wrap would have a sililar effect, but after many successful attemts, I did have one mini greenhouse get a fungus and everything died. As to patience. Many come to bonsai later in life. For us seed growing bonsai is not viable. I hope you are about 20 years old and can see this project through. kits **** "Expectations are resentments under construction." Anne Lamott ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Edmund Castillo++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#2
23-04-2005, 12:38 AM
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To all:
I have never tried this method, but I read where you take a large soda bottle and cut around the black bottom, and plant your seeds in sand. Then place the rest of the bottle on top. Tape it in several places. Leaving the top open helps change the air, but still works like a mini green house... It sounds plausible.... But, as I said, I haven't tried it. Carl Carl L. Rosner - near Atlantic City zone 6/7 www.carlrosner.com http://www.yessy.com/arteacher3725 http://rosner.becanz.net ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Edmund Castillo++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#3
23-04-2005, 12:55 AM
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Respectfully, I'd like to disagree.
I've heard many people say the journey is the prize, they seek the peace and joy of working with nature. You are all presuming that Berti's primary motivation is to show Bonsai at the monthly club meeting or to complete the "project". While I take no issue with those who find value in these pursuits, their reasons are not mine. I fully expect those trees I don't kill to outlive my association with them. I hope someone else will choose to care for them when we part company. If at 85 I choose to plant a few acorns I won't be worrying about seeing them become great Bonsai but will instead be thinking about the great oaks I've seen and will smile when I see them poking their heads up from the dirt. -Don 1+ years experience in bonsai. As to patience. Many come to bonsai later in life. For us seed growing bonsai is not viable. I hope you are about 20 years old and can see this project through. kits ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Edmund Castillo++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#5
23-04-2005, 01:54 AM
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You presume as much as you feel I am presuming that I
know Berti's motives as you feel you must know mine. He said he wanted to start bonsai from seed. My intrpretation of that is that he wants a bonsai tree. He also seems to want the journey of getting there from seed. As said earlier by another, he may want to get another plant while his seeds mature enough to become bonsai if what he wants is a bonsai. So we don't actually know what he wants besides asking how long he has to wait for the seeds to sprout, a possible indication of impatience on his part. My comment was only intended to indicate passage of time. I have over 300 bonsai in and out of pots. That is not counting the 50 or so various cuttings I have to repot next week or last year's cuttings. I do know the joy of the journey. The care of my trees is provided for in my will. They will continue. Respectfully, Kitsune Miko --- Don Walker wrote: Respectfully, I'd like to disagree. I've heard many people say the journey is the prize, they seek the peace and joy of working with nature. You are all presuming that Berti's primary motivation is to show Bonsai at the monthly club meeting or to complete the "project". While I take no issue with those who find value in these pursuits, their reasons are not mine. I fully expect those trees I don't kill to outlive my association with them. I hope someone else will choose to care for them when we part company. If at 85 I choose to plant a few acorns I won't be worrying about seeing them become great Bonsai but will instead be thinking about the great oaks I've seen and will smile when I see them poking their heads up from the dirt. -Don 1+ years experience in bonsai. As to patience. Many come to bonsai later in life. For us seed growing bonsai is not viable. I hope you are about 20 years old and can see this project through. kits ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Edmund Castillo++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ **** "Expectations are resentments under construction." Anne Lamott ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Edmund Castillo++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#6
23-04-2005, 03:44 AM
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Seed germination needs right temperature and HUMIDITY for which one has to wait
for the right season. However since those conditions can be created artificially, there are many ways of doing that. I have successfully grown scores of CACTI and other SUCCULENT plants by enclosing the entire pot of seeds in a clean transparent polybag! At the beginning of the winter (here it is mid November) I sterilise the clay pot and the porous medium in an oven! Once it cools down, I sprinkle the seeds on the medium and immerse it in water mixed with some Bavistan ( a fungicide). Once it is drenched, I put it overnight to drain excess water. Next morning I ENCLOSE the pot in a clean transparent polybag and put it in the bright light (NOT in full Sun). Within less than a week the seeds germinate. After about three months I open the bag and spray the plantlets daily. Another couple of days I remove the bag and keep it in the filtered sunlight gradually exposing these to more sunlight. I cannot say whether this method will work for trees and shrubs used for making Bonsai, in the temperate climate of the West. But it will be worth giving it a try. Regards to all. Anil Kaushik Bonsai Club (India) Chandigarh "The City Beautiful" this method does work IF you keep it out of direct sun and thus turn it into an oven Did it with my school classes for years. Pauline ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Edmund Castillo++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#7
23-04-2005, 08:19 AM
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Kitsune Miko schrieb:
I have used 1 qt glass jars over cuttings and I woudl thing that sprouting seeds under cling wrap would have a sililar effect, but after many successful attemts, I did have one mini greenhouse get a fungus and everything died. I'll be watching them closely, however they are not sealed off anyway. There's plenty of ventilation. As to patience. Many come to bonsai later in life. For us seed growing bonsai is not viable. I hope you are about 20 years old and can see this project through. I can and I will. kits Berti |
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#8
23-04-2005, 08:31 AM
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Don Walker schrieb:
Respectfully, I'd like to disagree. I've heard many people say the journey is the prize, they seek the peace and joy of working with nature. You are all presuming that Berti's primary motivation is to show Bonsai at the monthly club meeting or to complete the "project". While I take no issue with those who find value in these pursuits, their reasons are not mine. I fully expect those trees I don't kill to outlive my association with them. I hope someone else will choose to care for them when we part company. If at 85 I choose to plant a few acorns I won't be worrying about seeing them become great Bonsai but will instead be thinking about the great oaks I've seen and will smile when I see them poking their heads up from the dirt. -Don 1+ years experience in bonsai. Indeed, just to clarify this, I do not require a bonsai right away. If I did, I could have bought one as-is. My primary goal is to grow a bonsai. I do not care much for displaying it until it is presentable, if at all. Although this is - as may have become apparent - my first project in that direction, I do have enough experience with plants in general and bonsai specifically to not underestimate the time it takes to grow an adult tree of miniature proportions. Anyone can buy a bonsai, some species will almost care for themselves. But, I ask you, is that the true spirit of bonsai? Owning the tree? For me it is not. If asked, I want to be able to reply "This one I grew myself" not "You can get them at a discount 10 Bucks right across the street from where I work. I water them myself." Berti |
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#9
23-04-2005, 09:32 AM
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In a message dated 4/23/2005 3:52:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes: Anyone can buy a bonsai, some species will almost care for themselves. But, I ask you, is that the true spirit of bonsai? Owning the tree? For me it is not. If asked, I want to be able to reply "This one I grew myself" not "You can get them at a discount 10 Bucks right across the street from where I work. I water them myself." These we call Mallsai. You can't buy a decent Bonsai pot for $10. We should all live our lives as we see fit (within reason and the rules of society) so if growing Bonsai from seed is how you wish to approach, great. But, for me Bonsai is about caring for the tree. This is a lot more than watering. It involves all of the horticultural skills as well as some art. I can go to a nursery in Vero Beach, Florida and buy a Bonsai that has been in training for many years. The day I buy it it will be a stunning tree. But, after a year of "just watering" it will be a nice tree that needs attention (pruning, maybe repotting, etc.), After two years it will not be stunning anymore. I have been doing Bonsai for some time and have a few trees grown from seed (pomegranates for example) but I can't think of any in a Bonsai pot. I do have some decent Chinese Elms, Boxwoods and F. saclisifolia that I started as cuttings. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Edmund Castillo++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#10
23-04-2005, 09:41 AM
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At 09.31 23/04/2005, Berti Ferranti wrote:
Indeed, just to clarify this, I do not require a bonsai right away. If I did, I could have bought one as-is. My primary goal is to grow a bonsai. I do not care much for displaying it until it is presentable, if at all. Berti Hi Berti , just a consideration :you will grow for now a plant ,not bonsai .To become a bonsai you will grow with the plant and when you two will have some right criteria ,then you will consider it like a bonsai and it is a long trip if you begin from seeds (but this is your choice). Good luck , marco ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Edmund Castillo++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#11
23-04-2005, 10:16 AM
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I will post a pic on the IBC gallery of my Pomegranate grown from seed 7
years ago. I show it as a detterent. I did everything wrong with this plant. I was grown in a small pot all the time and when the sacrificebranches died back after a frost, I started pruning for better ramification insted of growing more sarifice branches. By the time it was exposed to frost I was tired of it and didnīt care for a better trunk. And of course Sweden is not the best place for pomegranates either. All and all it has been a total waste of time, but i I have grown emotionally attached to it so I gave it pot this spring and I just canīt get rid of it, now it just takes space, the only good thing is that itīs small ;-). Henrik Gistvall, Uppsala, Sweden Berti Ferranti wrote: Don Walker schrieb: Respectfully, I'd like to disagree. I've heard many people say the journey is the prize, they seek the peace and joy of working with nature. You are all presuming that Berti's primary motivation is to show Bonsai at the monthly club meeting or to complete the "project". While I take no issue with those who find value in these pursuits, their reasons are not mine. I fully expect those trees I don't kill to outlive my association with them. I hope someone else will choose to care for them when we part company. If at 85 I choose to plant a few acorns I won't be worrying about seeing them become great Bonsai but will instead be thinking about the great oaks I've seen and will smile when I see them poking their heads up from the dirt. -Don 1+ years experience in bonsai. Indeed, just to clarify this, I do not require a bonsai right away. If I did, I could have bought one as-is. My primary goal is to grow a bonsai. I do not care much for displaying it until it is presentable, if at all. Although this is - as may have become apparent - my first project in that direction, I do have enough experience with plants in general and bonsai specifically to not underestimate the time it takes to grow an adult tree of miniature proportions. Anyone can buy a bonsai, some species will almost care for themselves. But, I ask you, is that the true spirit of bonsai? Owning the tree? For me it is not. If asked, I want to be able to reply "This one I grew myself" not "You can get them at a discount 10 Bucks right across the street from where I work. I water them myself." Berti ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Edmund Castillo++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Edmund Castillo++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#12
23-04-2005, 01:36 PM
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starting from seeds is really stretching it. Being you are just starting
BONSAI get a book on BONSAI. Learn about style and pruning. then buy some inexpensive plants and prune away. starting with a good size plant will get you success sooner than some seeds which take years to grow into a suitable size BONSAI. Pomegranits which is the same as Chinese Apples are sold in fruit stores. Those seeds take about a week to sprout.. I never tried Ficus from seeds. SteveW Long Island NY ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Edmund Castillo++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#13
23-04-2005, 01:41 PM
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I planted Pomegranite seeds 2 weeks ago. they took a week to sprout. i
didn't do anything more than throw some seeds in a large pot with potting mix. SteveW Long island NY ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Edmund Castillo++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#14
23-04-2005, 02:10 PM
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On Saturday 23 April 2005 13:36, Steven Wachs wrote:
starting from seeds is really stretching it. Being you are just starting BONSAI get a book on BONSAI. Learn about style and pruning. then buy some inexpensive plants and prune away. starting with a good size plant will get you success sooner than some seeds which take years to grow into a suitable size BONSAI. Pomegranits which is the same as Chinese Apples are sold in fruit stores. Those seeds take about a week to sprout.. I never tried Ficus from seeds. SteveW Sheesh. It seems to me that he can start however he likes. Back when I was a kid, my grandfather and I planted a little seed in the ground. I never even thought about it for years, but one day I suddenly realised that the huge tree outside their window was the one we planted together so long ago. I've also sprouted a few trees from seed without even trying, and now I have a number of seed trays sown out. If it doesn't work, so be it. Then, I'll keep tending my fully grown bonsai, and plant more seeds. But if it does, it'll be a pleasure to watch and help it grow, and every failure will lead to more appreciation of my successes. There's a lot to be said for starting from seed, and if people think they have the time and patience for it, there's no reason to tell them any different. Sure, they could buy a pre-grown tree in the meantime, and that might be good advice to give, but telling people not to grow from seed seems quite different to me. It's not *about* shaping branches for some of us, even if that is a large part of the final art. -- Lee. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Edmund Castillo++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#15
23-04-2005, 02:25 PM
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Lee Braiden wrote:
There's a lot to be said for starting from seed, and if people think they have the time and patience for it, there's no reason to tell them any different. Sure, they could buy a pre-grown tree in the meantime, and that might be good advice to give, but telling people not to grow from seed seems quite different to me. It's not *about* shaping branches for some of us, even if that is a large part of the final art. So. Can we leave this topic, keeping this good advice and philosophy in mind? Jim Lewis - - Hit THINK before you hit SEND ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Edmund Castillo++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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