"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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"FragileWarrior" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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Dogs are another story. They train their humans to do antisocial or
illegal things.

eYOW! Whatta bizarre statement.

My dogs are trained as Therapy Dogs and visit hospitals, nursing
homes and handicapped children. (And one of my horses is going to do
the same soon.)
As for me, I've never even gotten so much as a speeding ticket. All
in all, my dogs and myself are pretty social and always law abiding,
I think.



Admittedly, my negative experiences are with people who walk dogs in
my neighborhood. Even the so-called "good dog owners" who clean up
after their dogs are idiots. Why do I say that? Look at the brief
conversation below and tell me what's wrong with it. Scenario: Dog, on
leash, taking a leak at the perimeter of a flower bed that is two feet
from the street.

Me: Excuse me, would you please NOT let your dog use my property as a
toilet in the future?
Dog criminal: Why?


That's it. What's wrong with the conversation?


Why are you asking me? What does your local dog ordinance say? If the
law is on your side, then talk to the law. A photograph of the deed
being done is good proof of who the culprit is, too.

One dipshit owner does not make all dogs and all owners scoundrels.

"immike" wrote in news:1172587097.115103.96190
@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

I Beg You...PLEASE DON"T PLANT THE MINT!

My neighbor planted some on his side of the fence years ago and it
crept into my yard. I mowed and mowed and it crept and crept
eventually into my roses and across the walk and...EVERYWHERE!!!
Arrghh!

I now have new neighbors and they dug up their mint and I spent THREE
DAYS digging up mine. I'm sure I'll see more this year as it will grow
from every piece of root I missed.

So I beg you...PLEASE STOP!!!

I can't wait till spring!

How about a lovely hosta garden, they will spread out and keep all the
weeds down around them.

Mike



Sorry. Mint.

And I don't live near anyone else. My dogs and my mint and my horses are
here purely for my enjoyment.

Jangchub wrote in
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:56:56 -0500, William Wagner
wrote:

I'd stay away from Ajuga and Hops. Mint was never a problem here
easily pulled. Lemon Balm pops up here and there. Then again I have
black bamboo about.
Actually Chick weed and moss are getting my attention more these days.
Moss on our brick patio was not fazed by being limed. I just bought a
torch for deicing that can double as a moss slayer.

Bill whose front yard is nothing but Pachysandra and perennials.

I couldn't believe when I saw three varieties of moss at HOME DEPOT!
I bought a quart of each and just now divided them into 18 plants. I
did the same thing with pineapple sage, lysimachia, tomatoes, etc.
When I shop for plants I always make sure there is more than one plant
in each pot.


Are you Scots? Me, too.

What zone are you in? Are these plants being put out now?

Jangchub wrote in
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:39:30 +0000 (UTC), FragileWarrior
wrote:

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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Dogs are another story. They train their humans to do antisocial or
illegal things.

eYOW! Whatta bizarre statement.

My dogs are trained as Therapy Dogs and visit hospitals, nursing homes
and handicapped children. (And one of my horses is going to do the
same soon.) As for me, I've never even gotten so much as a speeding
ticket. All in all, my dogs and myself are pretty social and always
law abiding, I think.


Don't give the contrarian any ammo.

I take excellent care of my animals and we work together to give back to
the community. I really dislike to be mass-lumped into a dipshit owner
catagory for no good reason.


If you want to have a test person
for your therapy horse, bring him/her here to me!

Did you see my horse in my Neon? He's a mini horse. Rides for long
periods of time in the backseat of my car -- even going down the I-70 and
into Indy for horse demos and such.

Go to: http://community.webshots.com/user/deerhnd
and look in the HORSES folder. There's a photo of him taken through the
back window of the car. FoxNews out of Indy once took footage of me
loading him into the car and driving away from one of the museums where
we had spent the day but I don't know if they ever aired it. We
certainly get interesting looks driving in the city. When I pull to a
stop light, I count to three and then look to either side of me to see
who noticed there's a horse in the car next to them. hee

I adore animals,
insects, worms, all living things. I would love to have room for a
few mules. They are so much more interesting to me than many humans.

Yes, Buddha was right about many things.

"FragileWarrior" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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"FragileWarrior" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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Dogs are another story. They train their humans to do antisocial or
illegal things.

eYOW! Whatta bizarre statement.

My dogs are trained as Therapy Dogs and visit hospitals, nursing
homes and handicapped children. (And one of my horses is going to do
the same soon.)
As for me, I've never even gotten so much as a speeding ticket. All
in all, my dogs and myself are pretty social and always law abiding,
I think.



Admittedly, my negative experiences are with people who walk dogs in
my neighborhood. Even the so-called "good dog owners" who clean up
after their dogs are idiots. Why do I say that? Look at the brief
conversation below and tell me what's wrong with it. Scenario: Dog, on
leash, taking a leak at the perimeter of a flower bed that is two feet
from the street.

Me: Excuse me, would you please NOT let your dog use my property as a
toilet in the future?
Dog criminal: Why?


That's it. What's wrong with the conversation?


Why are you asking me? What does your local dog ordinance say? If the
law is on your side, then talk to the law. A photograph of the deed
being done is good proof of who the culprit is, too.

One dipshit owner does not make all dogs and all owners scoundrels.

This example has nothing to do with dog ordinances. And, there's no reason
(or easy way) to photograph plants covered in ****. The issue is this: If a
property owner asks you not to do something on their property, you do not
ask why. You obey. If you disagree with what I've just said, then I have the
right to urinate on your dog, in your mail box, or anything on that
property, and there's nothing you can do about it.

With me so far?

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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"FragileWarrior" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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"FragileWarrior" wrote in
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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Dogs are another story. They train their humans to do antisocial
or illegal things.

eYOW! Whatta bizarre statement.

My dogs are trained as Therapy Dogs and visit hospitals, nursing
homes and handicapped children. (And one of my horses is going to
do the same soon.)
As for me, I've never even gotten so much as a speeding ticket.
All in all, my dogs and myself are pretty social and always law
abiding, I think.



Admittedly, my negative experiences are with people who walk dogs in
my neighborhood. Even the so-called "good dog owners" who clean up
after their dogs are idiots. Why do I say that? Look at the brief
conversation below and tell me what's wrong with it. Scenario: Dog,
on leash, taking a leak at the perimeter of a flower bed that is two
feet from the street.

Me: Excuse me, would you please NOT let your dog use my property as
a toilet in the future?
Dog criminal: Why?


That's it. What's wrong with the conversation?


Why are you asking me? What does your local dog ordinance say? If
the law is on your side, then talk to the law. A photograph of the
deed being done is good proof of who the culprit is, too.

One dipshit owner does not make all dogs and all owners scoundrels.

This example has nothing to do with dog ordinances.

Of course it does. If there is a law against it, then evoke the law.

And, there's no
reason (or easy way) to photograph plants covered in ****.

Get the dog lifting it's leg. Let the police extroplate from there.


The issue
is this: If a property owner asks you not to do something on their
property, you do not ask why.


Is there a law against asking why?


You obey. If you disagree with what I've
just said, then I have the right to urinate on your dog, in your mail
box, or anything on that property, and there's nothing you can do
about it.


No, I believe that is classified as assault AND indecent exposure. Do so
and you'd be in much, much, MUCH more trouble than the dog owner. But,
hey, don't let me stop you from trying it. Get back to us on how that
works out for you.


With me so far?


No. Guess not.

"FragileWarrior" wrote in message
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Why are you asking me? What does your local dog ordinance say? If
the law is on your side, then talk to the law. A photograph of the
deed being done is good proof of who the culprit is, too.

One dipshit owner does not make all dogs and all owners scoundrels.

This example has nothing to do with dog ordinances.

Of course it does. If there is a law against it, then evoke the law.

Our dog ordinances say dog owners must clean up after their animals. Not
likely with dog ****.



And, there's no
reason (or easy way) to photograph plants covered in ****.

Get the dog lifting it's leg. Let the police extroplate from there.

Yeah. I'll stand outside all day with a camera. :-)



The issue
is this: If a property owner asks you not to do something on their
property, you do not ask why.


Is there a law against asking why?

Of course not. But, the laws against trespassing do not require that the
landowner explain anything. You know that.




You obey. If you disagree with what I've
just said, then I have the right to urinate on your dog, in your mail
box, or anything on that property, and there's nothing you can do
about it.


No, I believe that is classified as assault AND indecent exposure. Do so
and you'd be in much, much, MUCH more trouble than the dog owner. But,
hey, don't let me stop you from trying it. Get back to us on how that
works out for you.


Assault? Not really. Got a car you love? What if I walk onto your property
and start spray painting it a new color? Why would I do this? Because it was
a convenient place to stop and paint a car! No different than doing what's
convenient for your dog. Now, you'll say the car is damaged, but it's not.
It'll still do what a car needs to do. The ****ed-on plants may not, or they
might, so let's choose the latter and call the two situations equal.


See what you're doing here? You're trying to twist your interpretation of
law (and common decency) to suit a particular type of pet. You're doing this
because the dog needs to walk, and it needs to crap & **** while being
walked. Therefore, you have made behavioral adjustments because of the dog.
Another way to describe this is training. You have been trained by your pet.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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"FragileWarrior" wrote in message
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Why are you asking me? What does your local dog ordinance say? If
the law is on your side, then talk to the law. A photograph of the
deed being done is good proof of who the culprit is, too.

One dipshit owner does not make all dogs and all owners scoundrels.

This example has nothing to do with dog ordinances.

Of course it does. If there is a law against it, then evoke the law.

Our dog ordinances say dog owners must clean up after their animals.
Not likely with dog ****.



And, there's no
reason (or easy way) to photograph plants covered in ****.

Get the dog lifting it's leg. Let the police extroplate from there.

Yeah. I'll stand outside all day with a camera. :-)



The issue
is this: If a property owner asks you not to do something on their
property, you do not ask why.


Is there a law against asking why?

Of course not. But, the laws against trespassing do not require that
the landowner explain anything. You know that.




You obey. If you disagree with what I've
just said, then I have the right to urinate on your dog, in your
mail box, or anything on that property, and there's nothing you can
do about it.


No, I believe that is classified as assault AND indecent exposure.
Do so and you'd be in much, much, MUCH more trouble than the dog
owner. But, hey, don't let me stop you from trying it. Get back to
us on how that works out for you.


Assault? Not really.

****ing on someone is assault and public indecency. Ask a policeman.
Or, as I suggested, try it. Get back to me after you make bail.

Got a car you love? What if I walk onto your
property and start spray painting it a new color? Why would I do this?
Because it was a convenient place to stop and paint a car! No
different than doing what's convenient for your dog. Now, you'll say
the car is damaged, but it's not. It'll still do what a car needs to
do. The ****ed-on plants may not, or they might, so let's choose the
latter and call the two situations equal.

This is truly bizarre.

See what you're doing here? You're trying to twist your interpretation
of law (and common decency) to suit a particular type of pet. You're
doing this because the dog needs to walk, and it needs to crap & ****
while being walked. Therefore, you have made behavioral adjustments
because of the dog. Another way to describe this is training. You have
been trained by your pet.


*I'm* twisting logic? You're talking about ****ing on people and in
mailboxes and vandalizing cars and *I'M* twisting logic? My my.

To reiterate a point you seem unable to grok: my animals stay on my
property. I'm sorry your neighbor's animals don't do that but, truth be
told, I feel much more sorry for your neighbors AND their animals.

Nice talking to you but it won't happen again in the future.

"FragileWarrior" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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"FragileWarrior" wrote in message
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Why are you asking me? What does your local dog ordinance say? If
the law is on your side, then talk to the law. A photograph of the
deed being done is good proof of who the culprit is, too.

One dipshit owner does not make all dogs and all owners scoundrels.

This example has nothing to do with dog ordinances.

Of course it does. If there is a law against it, then evoke the law.

Our dog ordinances say dog owners must clean up after their animals.
Not likely with dog ****.



And, there's no
reason (or easy way) to photograph plants covered in ****.

Get the dog lifting it's leg. Let the police extroplate from there.

Yeah. I'll stand outside all day with a camera. :-)



The issue
is this: If a property owner asks you not to do something on their
property, you do not ask why.


Is there a law against asking why?

Of course not. But, the laws against trespassing do not require that
the landowner explain anything. You know that.




You obey. If you disagree with what I've
just said, then I have the right to urinate on your dog, in your
mail box, or anything on that property, and there's nothing you can
do about it.


No, I believe that is classified as assault AND indecent exposure.
Do so and you'd be in much, much, MUCH more trouble than the dog
owner. But, hey, don't let me stop you from trying it. Get back to
us on how that works out for you.


Assault? Not really.

****ing on someone is assault and public indecency. Ask a policeman.
Or, as I suggested, try it. Get back to me after you make bail.

Assault? A plant is a living thing. Why isn't ****ing on a plant considered
assault? Can I **** on your dog? Is your dog more precious than my plants?

Indecency? A dog's penis is no more or less "indecent" than a human's.
What's with the double standard?



Got a car you love? What if I walk onto your
property and start spray painting it a new color? Why would I do this?
Because it was a convenient place to stop and paint a car! No
different than doing what's convenient for your dog. Now, you'll say
the car is damaged, but it's not. It'll still do what a car needs to
do. The ****ed-on plants may not, or they might, so let's choose the
latter and call the two situations equal.

This is truly bizarre.

Why bizarre? Let's say your hobby is restoring antique cars. You spend many
hours lovingly working on them, and there's never enough time. My hobby is
gardening. I spend as much time gardening as you do working on your antique
cars. If your dog can **** on my hobby, why can't I **** on yours?




See what you're doing here? You're trying to twist your interpretation
of law (and common decency) to suit a particular type of pet. You're
doing this because the dog needs to walk, and it needs to crap & ****
while being walked. Therefore, you have made behavioral adjustments
because of the dog. Another way to describe this is training. You have
been trained by your pet.


*I'm* twisting logic? You're talking about ****ing on people and in
mailboxes and vandalizing cars and *I'M* twisting logic? My my.


I'm twisting logic? I've just taught you how you've created an imaginary
fantasy world of laws and morals to adjust for the antisocial needs of dogs.
Your world conveniently ignores actual laws which are the same everywhere in
America and in many Western countries. You're silly.



To reiterate a point you seem unable to grok: my animals stay on my
property. I'm sorry your neighbor's animals don't do that but, truth be
told, I feel much more sorry for your neighbors AND their animals.


I understand that YOUR animals stay on your property. The point here is when
some say "I'm a good dog owner - my dogs don't roam the neighborhood without
me", they're not quite correct. Even on a leash, many "good dog owners"
still don't get it.

In article ,
says...
"FragileWarrior" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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Dogs are another story. They train their humans to do antisocial or
illegal things.

eYOW! Whatta bizarre statement.

My dogs are trained as Therapy Dogs and visit hospitals, nursing homes and
handicapped children. (And one of my horses is going to do the same
soon.)
As for me, I've never even gotten so much as a speeding ticket. All in
all, my dogs and myself are pretty social and always law abiding, I think.



Admittedly, my negative experiences are with people who walk dogs in my
neighborhood. Even the so-called "good dog owners" who clean up after their
dogs are idiots. Why do I say that? Look at the brief conversation below and
tell me what's wrong with it. Scenario: Dog, on leash, taking a leak at the
perimeter of a flower bed that is two feet from the street.

Me: Excuse me, would you please NOT let your dog use my property as a toilet
in the future?
Dog criminal: Why?


That's it. What's wrong with the conversation?


The thing that is missing from your scenario is big FENCE (or
wall, or 2+ metre hedge) that prevents the dog - or anybody else
- from using your property as a toilet.

There are a few people in my street with fences and hedges right
up to the public footpath.

Unfortunately, this may be against gubmint regulations in your
area.


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wrote in message
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In article ,
says...
"FragileWarrior" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
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Dogs are another story. They train their humans to do antisocial or
illegal things.

eYOW! Whatta bizarre statement.

My dogs are trained as Therapy Dogs and visit hospitals, nursing homes
and
handicapped children. (And one of my horses is going to do the same
soon.)
As for me, I've never even gotten so much as a speeding ticket. All in
all, my dogs and myself are pretty social and always law abiding, I
think.



Admittedly, my negative experiences are with people who walk dogs in my
neighborhood. Even the so-called "good dog owners" who clean up after
their
dogs are idiots. Why do I say that? Look at the brief conversation below
and
tell me what's wrong with it. Scenario: Dog, on leash, taking a leak at
the
perimeter of a flower bed that is two feet from the street.

Me: Excuse me, would you please NOT let your dog use my property as a
toilet
in the future?
Dog criminal: Why?


That's it. What's wrong with the conversation?


The thing that is missing from your scenario is big FENCE (or
wall, or 2+ metre hedge) that prevents the dog - or anybody else
- from using your property as a toilet.

There are a few people in my street with fences and hedges right
up to the public footpath.

Unfortunately, this may be against gubmint regulations in your
area.

It's not allowed here, either. And, it's a ridiculous idea. I shouldn't have
to spend money to prevent antisocial behavior.

By the way, the problem with the conversation above is that the dog owner
gave the wrong response. The correct response is "Sure. No problem". There
is no other correct response.

FragileWarrior wrote:
I have a large area between our front walkway and the stockade fence that
I'm tired of mowing. Since it is almost entirely in shade, I think I'd
like to turn it into a mint garden this year. I don't care about spreading
because if the mint goes under the fence and into the yard it just makes
the dogs smell nice. I also have no objection to just mowing it like lawn
if it crops up where I don't want it.

What's the best way to make sure that I get garden there and not mint
sprinkled with regrown grass? I was going to rent a tiller and turn up the
sod but then what? Do I remove the sod chunks or do I just chop it, turn
it under and hope it becomes green manure and not more grass? Is it better
to remove all the sod and then replace the missing dirt with top soil? If
some grass sprouts up down the line, will the mature mint plants smother it
out?

All opinions and experiences welcome.

Thx.


It depends what kind of grass it is. If it's bermudagrass nothing will
work all that well.

I would probably use Roundup to kill the grass. Wait a few days, then
mow it really short, and plant over the top of it. Use some kind of
mulch. If you disturb the soil, weed seeds that have been lying dormant
for years will start to sprout.

Best regards,
Bob

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:21:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


Move to the country on huge property where people don't walk dogs.
Let it go.


You are illustrating the multifaceted problem for me. Thank you.

Facet 1: Some dog owners think everyone is supposed to love their dog. That
is incorrect.
Facet 2: Some dog owners don't understand the concept of private property.
If I tell you not to do something on my land, you have no legal leg to stand
on by refusing to obey.


I fully understand. Kill a cow, not problem. If they did that to
poodles and wore their fur the entire earth would freak out!

I am not telling you to be okay with this problem, but unfortunately
the only way around it is to do one of the two things I suggested. We
have cat and dog ordinances here and my neighbor still continues to
let his cats out. Nobody likes him, but his entire life is full of
horrible strife. Nobody gets out of here alive, if you get my drift.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:43:37 +0000 (UTC), FragileWarrior
wrote:

Sorry. Mint.

And I don't live near anyone else. My dogs and my mint and my horses are
here purely for my enjoyment.

You know, pennyroyal is actually proven to repel fleas and is low
growing. It's also not AS invasive as peppermint and has a stronger
fragrance. I believe it only gets to about six inches. That may be
an option for you.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:44:42 +0000 (UTC), FragileWarrior
wrote:


I couldn't believe when I saw three varieties of moss at HOME DEPOT!
I bought a quart of each and just now divided them into 18 plants. I
did the same thing with pineapple sage, lysimachia, tomatoes, etc.
When I shop for plants I always make sure there is more than one plant
in each pot.


Are you Scots? Me, too.

What zone are you in? Are these plants being put out now?

I'm in Texas USDA Zone 8b. Last average frost is in two weeks. I
have not planted anything out yet, but the flats are out there and I
can bring them in if it gets below 45. I have some S. greggii and
lambs ears, etc. Now is still early enough for that, but it was 87
degrees yesterday and 82 today. We call that cool! Brrrrr.