In article
,
Artful Dodger wrote:

On Oct 25, 6:58*am, Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote:
Cheryl Isaak wrote:
On 10/24/08 6:08 PM, in article
, "Frank"
frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote:

Plants are dead or dying from frost. *As Gibbons said, "Time for the
meat course." *I'm hunting.

Send some venison my way please.

A bout of achy knee and achy shoulder has kept me from doing my fall
clean
up. *Never did re-do the iris bed or weed out more garlic chives. I will
go
cut the seed heads off and throw them on the "lawn".

Cheryl

My freezer's filling up and my adult sons have turned there nose up at
venison in the past but, now with current economy, their tastes are
changing.

The other day, I had a bowl of chestnut soup from my chestnuts and a
venison steak from doe contributor for lunch. Life could not be better.

I only had venizon once, and that was in New Zealand, at one of their
Maori "barbecues"
called a Hongi (sp?). They roast the meat in a pit. I didn't like the
taste at all, and am
wondering if venizon from different climates//zones/ hemispheres
would taste different.
Does it depend on
area, or or what they eat, or what?

Frank- Hide quoted text -

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In the past (1985) I would wait for my car pool ride to show up.
Three times Ralph was late as he hit a deer on the way to pick me up.
Once hit he would take the deer home where his Dad if living today
would be about 95 pickled it.

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

On 10/28/08 1:40 PM, in article
, "paghat"
wrote:

In article , Cheryl Isaak
wrote:

On 10/28/08 9:17 AM, in article ,
"Jangchub" wrote:

On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:09:25 -0700, "Zoot" wrote:

...

BUT! Just because governments do these things does not automatically make
that government a socialistic government. It is how much they do these
things that earns them the title of Socialistic or not. There is a line
drawn, past which you would consider the government to be a socialist
government. On the other side, you don't consider them to be so. Where is
that line drawn right now? Where will that line move to if McCain is
president? If Obama is president?

Let's forget the election for a minute. Where does Bush drawthis
line? Did you know the bail out had no contingency plan? The banks
did not have to list out what they were going to do with the billions
of dollars and now they are just sitting on it instead of using it to
help people with the mortgage debacle. Oop, I made a mistake. It's
not 700 billion, it's 850 billion, not to mention the trillions spent
on the war by the capitalist government.


Hey - don't forget the Democrats had a hand in the "bail out" and Obama and
Barney Frank took lots of money from Freddie and Fannie.


Cheryl

There are enough valid criticisms of Obama one wonders why the loonies go
for lies and racism. Obama -- relative to most politicians I've
reluctantly supported for lack of better -- is not as imperfect as the
rest. But from two great idealistic poetic speeches that indicated a
capacity for humanity and leadership, he's fallen a few pegs as a mere
politician guarded about what he stands for this week, and as much in the
pockets of the invested as every other politician. He still plans to carry
on the war, but mostly in Afghanistan instead of mostly in Iraq; he
unfortunately supports the very "trickle down" economics of bailing out
wallstreet while home forclosures continue to skyrocket; and for the
abjectly impoverished, he's remained as quiet as a mouse. I still "hope"
for he's a bit more than the lesser of two evils, which is all I've been
able to vote for in the past. Time will tell.

-paghat the ratgirl
So you're telling me that Obama and Frank didn't take huge amounts of money
from Freddie and Fannie??

I really can't stomach any of the four potential presidents....

C

On 10/28/08 1:55 PM, in article ,
"Jangchub" wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:24:21 -0400, Cheryl Isaak
wrote:

On 10/28/08 9:17 AM, in article ,
"Jangchub" wrote:

On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:09:25 -0700, "Zoot" wrote:

...

BUT! Just because governments do these things does not automatically make
that government a socialistic government. It is how much they do these
things that earns them the title of Socialistic or not. There is a line
drawn, past which you would consider the government to be a socialist
government. On the other side, you don't consider them to be so. Where is
that line drawn right now? Where will that line move to if McCain is
president? If Obama is president?

Let's forget the election for a minute. Where does Bush drawthis
line? Did you know the bail out had no contingency plan? The banks
did not have to list out what they were going to do with the billions
of dollars and now they are just sitting on it instead of using it to
help people with the mortgage debacle. Oop, I made a mistake. It's
not 700 billion, it's 850 billion, not to mention the trillions spent
on the war by the capitalist government.


Hey - don't forget the Democrats had a hand in the "bail out" and Obama and
Barney Frank took lots of money from Freddie and Fannie.


Cheryl

So did McCaine, for that matter. Check who lobbied for McCaine and
what was done. Bush effed it up, or Phil Graham's credit default
swaps started it and the dems had no choice but to go along with it.

Victoria


So why is the bail out so larded out with pork - for groups like ACORN????

C

In article ,
Cheryl Isaak wrote:

On 10/28/08 1:55 PM, in article ,
"Jangchub" wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:24:21 -0400, Cheryl Isaak
wrote:

On 10/28/08 9:17 AM, in article ,
"Jangchub" wrote:

On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:09:25 -0700, "Zoot" wrote:

...

BUT! Just because governments do these things does not automatically make
that government a socialistic government. It is how much they do these
things that earns them the title of Socialistic or not. There is a line
drawn, past which you would consider the government to be a socialist
government. On the other side, you don't consider them to be so. Where is
that line drawn right now? Where will that line move to if McCain is
president? If Obama is president?

Let's forget the election for a minute. Where does Bush drawthis
line? Did you know the bail out had no contingency plan? The banks
did not have to list out what they were going to do with the billions
of dollars and now they are just sitting on it instead of using it to
help people with the mortgage debacle. Oop, I made a mistake. It's
not 700 billion, it's 850 billion, not to mention the trillions spent
on the war by the capitalist government.


Hey - don't forget the Democrats had a hand in the "bail out" and Obama and
Barney Frank took lots of money from Freddie and Fannie.


Cheryl

So did McCaine, for that matter. Check who lobbied for McCaine and
what was done. Bush effed it up, or Phil Graham's credit default
swaps started it and the dems had no choice but to go along with it.

Victoria


So why is the bail out so larded out with pork - for groups like ACORN????

C

Inform me of what ACORN did. I know that they registered about 1.2
million voters. Some of the registrations were obvious (Mickey Mouse)
deceptions (my understanding is that these were tagged as questionable
and turned in as the law requires). Some registrations were duplicates
and about a third of them were valid. Other than that, I am unaware of
any improper funding of ACORN but I am a busy boy and something may have
gotten by me.

If you don't like Obama or McCain, I would strongly recommend voting for
a third party candidate. I expect pretty much the same thing from the
Democratic Party as I do from the Republican Party but I think the Dems
will put less sand in the vaseline;O)
--

Billy
Republican and Democratic "Leadership" Behind Bars
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net

In article ,
Jangchub wrote:

"There are known knowns. These are things we
know that we know. There are known unknowns.
That is to say, there are things that we know
we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns.
There are things we don't know we don't know."

Donald Rumsfeld

But one thing that Rumsfeld and Cheney knew was that they weren't going
to liquidate their stock holdings which have soared with their
management of a war without end. I find any reference to them
distasteful, except to hear, perhaps, that they are an their way to the
Hague.

Short days on the north side of a hill. Rain expected thur. through Tue.
I've planted Brussel sprouts, cabbage, onion, and garlic. The leeks
still aren't as large as I would like them. Any advice on when to
harvest?
--

Billy
Republican and Democratic "Leadership" Behind Bars
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net

"paghat" wrote in message

There are enough valid criticisms of Obama one wonders why the loonies go
for lies and racism. Obama -- relative to most politicians I've
reluctantly supported for lack of better -- is not as imperfect as the
rest. But from two great idealistic poetic speeches that indicated a
capacity for humanity and leadership, he's fallen a few pegs as a mere
politician guarded about what he stands for this week, and as much in the
pockets of the invested as every other politician. He still plans to carry
on the war, but mostly in Afghanistan instead of mostly in Iraq; he
unfortunately supports the very "trickle down" economics of bailing out
wallstreet while home forclosures continue to skyrocket; and for the
abjectly impoverished, he's remained as quiet as a mouse.

:-)) Pretty good summation of how middle of the road he is. I'd lay money
there won't be any surprises from him if he makes it to be President.
Reality and vested interests will kick in real fast and he'll find he can't
do as much as he hoped/promised.

He'll also fall from his current popularity very fast once the electors who
thought he was a saviour realise that he's just human like the rest of us.
That's always the fate for the charismatic.

"Artful Dodger" wrote in message

I only had venizon once, and that was in New Zealand, at one of their
Maori "barbecues"
called a Hongi (sp?).
___________________

Hangi.

On 10/28/08 9:58 PM, in article
, "Billy"
wrote:

In article ,
Cheryl Isaak wrote:

On 10/28/08 1:55 PM, in article ,
"Jangchub" wrote:

On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:24:21 -0400, Cheryl Isaak
wrote:

On 10/28/08 9:17 AM, in article ,
"Jangchub" wrote:

On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:09:25 -0700, "Zoot" wrote:

...

BUT! Just because governments do these things does not automatically make
that government a socialistic government. It is how much they do these
things that earns them the title of Socialistic or not. There is a line
drawn, past which you would consider the government to be a socialist
government. On the other side, you don't consider them to be so. Where is
that line drawn right now? Where will that line move to if McCain is
president? If Obama is president?

Let's forget the election for a minute. Where does Bush drawthis
line? Did you know the bail out had no contingency plan? The banks
did not have to list out what they were going to do with the billions
of dollars and now they are just sitting on it instead of using it to
help people with the mortgage debacle. Oop, I made a mistake. It's
not 700 billion, it's 850 billion, not to mention the trillions spent
on the war by the capitalist government.


Hey - don't forget the Democrats had a hand in the "bail out" and Obama and
Barney Frank took lots of money from Freddie and Fannie.


Cheryl

So did McCaine, for that matter. Check who lobbied for McCaine and
what was done. Bush effed it up, or Phil Graham's credit default
swaps started it and the dems had no choice but to go along with it.

Victoria


So why is the bail out so larded out with pork - for groups like ACORN????

C

Inform me of what ACORN did. I know that they registered about 1.2
million voters. Some of the registrations were obvious (Mickey Mouse)
deceptions (my understanding is that these were tagged as questionable
and turned in as the law requires). Some registrations were duplicates
and about a third of them were valid. Other than that, I am unaware of
any improper funding of ACORN but I am a busy boy and something may have
gotten by me.

The original bail out had millions for ACORN. The current one funnels money
to ACORN in lesser amounts.

ACORN paid (yup paid) people to register - some claim to have done it
multiple times at the behest of ACORN employees.

If you don't like Obama or McCain, I would strongly recommend voting for
a third party candidate. I expect pretty much the same thing from the
Democratic Party as I do from the Republican Party but I think the Dems
will put less sand in the vaseline;O)

I've been thinking about it. What happened to all those Libertarian party
loyalists that were going to move to NH? I'd welcome them with open arms.

Cheryl

In article ,
Cheryl Isaak wrote:

The original bail out had millions for ACORN. The current one funnels money
to ACORN in lesser amounts.
Cite please

ACORN paid (yup paid) people to register - some claim to have done it
multiple times at the behest of ACORN employees.

Paying people to register voters is not unusual. It also explains the
sloppiness of the registrations. Here in California, a Republican voter
registration was lead by a man who isn't a resident of California (a
no-no). Petitions that are claimed to be aimed at predators of children,
have turned out to be Republican registration forms.

Again, ACORN flagged the obviously fraudulent registration forms but
they are legally bound to turn them in.

Gotta run.
--

Billy
Republican and Democratic "Leadership" Behind Bars
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Cheryl Isaak wrote:

The original bail out had millions for ACORN. The current one funnels money
to ACORN in lesser amounts.
Cite please

ACORN paid (yup paid) people to register - some claim to have done it
multiple times at the behest of ACORN employees.

Paying people to register voters is not unusual. It also explains the
sloppiness of the registrations. Here in California, a Republican voter
registration was lead by a man who isn't a resident of California (a
no-no). Petitions that are claimed to be aimed at predators of children,
have turned out to be Republican registration forms.

Again, ACORN flagged the obviously fraudulent registration forms but
they are legally bound to turn them in.

Gotta run.

Saw a guy on TV talking about this. Seems it is one thing to register
but showing up to vote includes some safe guards that stymies fraud.
The guy some political scientist from some university. Sorry for no
sources as I think the acorn issue is a non issue.

Concerning issues. Heard a quote from the man who helped with fiscal
issues 15 or 20 years ago.

³We need more civil and electrical engineers and less financial
engineers.³ Perhaps Paul Volker? SP?

Anyway the issue is infrastructure.

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article ,
Bill wrote:

In article ,
Bill R wrote:

Artful Dodger wrote:
Hardly anybody posting. Is it the change in seasons? The advent of
(sob) the early dark? Or -- the elections?


For me its not the elections. This is the "off season" for gardening
and there isn't much to post.

Also, this news group has gone WAY down hill in the last few years. At
one time it was "all gardens all the time". Now there is so much off
topic stuff that it isn't worth reading most of the time.

More off topic stuff.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/mihaly_csikszentmihalyi_on_flow.html

Bill going up hill

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1770.htm

³How can a people who have struggled long years under oppression throw
off their oppressors and establish a free society? The problems are
immense, but their solution lies in the education and enlightenment of
the people and the emergence of a spirit that will serve as a foundation
for independence and self-government.³

Lots more timeless ideas to chew on at the URL.

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Cheryl Isaak wrote:

The original bail out had millions for ACORN. The current one funnels money
to ACORN in lesser amounts.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/.../thecrypt/main
4483168.shtml

Is this what you are talking about?
--

Billy
Republican and Democratic "Leadership" Behind Bars
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net

He'll also fall from his current popularity very fast once the electors
who
thought he was a saviour realise that he's just human like the rest of us.
That's always the fate for the charismatic.


Maybe. But if they have a voting majority in the senate, it won't matter
what We, The People, think about him. And if he successfully places a few
far-left judges in the Supreme Court, we could impeach him the next day but
it will be many years before we recover from what he will do to this
country.

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"Artful Dodger" wrote in message

I only had venizon once, and that was in New Zealand, at one of their
Maori "barbecues"
called a Hongi (sp?).
___________________

Hangi.

The hongi is a Maori greeting. They press noses to mingle the breath.

A hangi is cooked underground on hot stones, and covered for hours.

Most restaurants in New Zealand now offer venison from farmed deer.

In article ,
"Geopelia" wrote:

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"Artful Dodger" wrote in message

I only had venizon once, and that was in New Zealand, at one of their
Maori "barbecues"
called a Hongi (sp?).
___________________

Hangi.

The hongi is a Maori greeting. They press noses to mingle the breath.

A hangi is cooked underground on hot stones, and covered for hours.

Most restaurants in New Zealand now offer venison from farmed deer.

Guess you know about Whale Rider?

http://www.amazon.com/Whale-Rider-Ke...B0000CABBW/ref
=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1225488824&sr=8-1


Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA