On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:36:07 -0700 (PDT), Artful Dodger
wrote:

Hardly anybody posting. Is it the change in seasons? The advent of
(sob) the early dark? Or -- the elections?

I am so tense, I feel it affecting me not only psychologically, but
perhaps even physically.

If I were a praying person, I would pray that my beloved country
doesn't fall back into the hands of the villains who
have been running it into the ground for more than the last 8 years.

I have found reading newsgroups less frequently. There are few posts,
don't have binary groups, spam, criticism, and election threads are a
few reasons. I have increased reading of specific-interest blogs,
something that I thought I would never get involved.

Cheryl Isaak wrote:
On 10/24/08 6:08 PM, in article
, "Frank"
frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote:

Plants are dead or dying from frost. As Gibbons said, "Time for the
meat course." I'm hunting.

Send some venison my way please.

A bout of achy knee and achy shoulder has kept me from doing my fall clean
up. Never did re-do the iris bed or weed out more garlic chives. I will go
cut the seed heads off and throw them on the "lawn".


Cheryl

My freezer's filling up and my adult sons have turned there nose up at
venison in the past but, now with current economy, their tastes are
changing.

The other day, I had a bowl of chestnut soup from my chestnuts and a
venison steak from doe contributor for lunch. Life could not be better.

Frank

Artful Dodger wrote:
On Oct 24, 3:06 pm, Bill wrote:
In article ,
Bill R wrote:

Artful Dodger wrote:
Hardly anybody posting. Is it the change in seasons? The advent of
(sob) the early dark? Or -- the elections?
For me its not the elections. This is the "off season" for gardening
and there isn't much to post.
Also, this news group has gone WAY down hill in the last few years. At
one time it was "all gardens all the time". Now there is so much off
topic stuff that it isn't worth reading most of the time.

Yeah, what happened to all the regulars? I miss you, folks; give a
sign of life!
More off topic stuff.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/mihaly_csikszentmihalyi_on_flow.html

Bill going up hill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA


I used to post at least weekly in this newsgroup (more often during the
growing season) but I got feed up with all the "newbies" who seem to
think that this is a "anything goes" news group. I read this group for
gardening discussions, NOT all the off topic stuff that now seems to be
the daily normal. When I tried to get this group back to gardening (by
asking people not to post all the political or other stuff) I got bashed
for it so I (mostly) stopped posting. Life is too short to fight with
all the people who think that they have the right to discuss anything
that they want here. There are much better ways to spend my time. All
the "off topic" people can have this group. I've given up on it.
--
Bill R.


e-mail address disguised to reduce spam

In article ,
Bill R wrote:

Artful Dodger wrote:
Hardly anybody posting. Is it the change in seasons? The advent of
(sob) the early dark? Or -- the elections?


For me its not the elections. This is the "off season" for gardening
and there isn't much to post.

Also, this news group has gone WAY down hill in the last few years. At
one time it was "all gardens all the time". Now there is so much off
topic stuff that it isn't worth reading most of the time.

Bill R do you know what a kilefile is ? Usenet without a kilefile is
madness. You must have a newsreader not goggle groups or you opt to
suffer.
There is no need for a net policeman just the ability to create the
usenet you like. Hazard is you may miss a few gems. I kill threads
first and then a few individuals who I¹d never consider breaking bread
with.

Bill gardening on and off for 50 years.

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

I used to post at least weekly in this newsgroup (more often during the
growing season) but I got feed up with all the "newbies" who seem to think
that this is a "anything goes" news group. I read this group for
gardening discussions, NOT all the off topic stuff that now seems to be
the daily normal. When I tried to get this group back to gardening (by
asking people not to post all the political or other stuff) I got bashed
for it so I (mostly) stopped posting. Life is too short to fight with all
the people who think that they have the right to discuss anything that
they want here. There are much better ways to spend my time. All the
"off topic" people can have this group. I've given up on it.
--
Bill R.


e-mail address disguised to reduce spam

We need a new gardening forum. One where we actually talk about gardening. I
got sick and tired of the whining about Bush this and Bush that and people
murdering animals etc, that I finally kill-filed them. Now it's too quiet
here :-)

I don't have any problems on which I need to seek advice and I'm sure
no-one is interested in the state of my compost or what my sweet peas are
doing. There has to be some sort of reason to post.


I'm envious! Here in the Willamette Valley, western Oregon, USA, the frosts
have killed the tender plants and the not-so-tender plants are on their last
legs.

I have beets and carrots and cabbages doing good, but something here devours
my radishes and turnips - it is ruining all of them, and I have no clue what
it is or how to stop. Something bores into them right below the surface of
the dirt, and every single radish and turnip has been ruined because of
them. I'd nuke the little *******s if I knew what would work.

My garden is limited by being really very small. I just "did" a 12" x 48" bed next
to our "sidewalk" and filled it with bulbs. In summer I will overplant with arabis
that looks great over bulbs.
http://weloveteaching.com/landscape/10-25-2008.jpg
not much to see yet. I gotta find the mulch for it.

weekends are set to putting the gardens and fish "to bed". gotta drag my figs into
the heated garage before the first freeze maybe tomorrow.

getting ready for Halloween today handing out organic suckers to kids (tasty!) and
sugar free candy.

the elections have me so nervous I am eating carbs... desserts just to calm my nerves
and ease the knot in my stomach. I have gone back to listening to Olbermann and now
added Maddow and compulsively reading serveral newspapers and blogs. I dont think I
could stand it if Obama didnt win. I had a hard time accepting Hilary didnt get the
nomination. Happily all our money is in the 3 homes we own. One was inherited and we
bought the other 2 low and arent selling. Housing prices where we live are moderate
but stable. Our jobs are secure and even our renters have secure jobs. Even tho
the urge to stop buying anything is strong I feel somebody in this economy needs to
continue spending some money. So we go out to eat once a week as usual. I buy
second hand on eBay. I am even going to adopt another dog that needs a home from a
pound. Lots of people are turning them in when they lose their homes. We will see
how it goes, if we can give our neighbor work (carpenter). Try to spread whatever
extra we have around to hire people who have worked on our houses in the past.

Ingrid

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:36:07 -0700 (PDT), Artful Dodger wrote:
Hardly anybody posting. Is it the change in seasons? The advent of
(sob) the early dark? Or -- the elections?
I am so tense, I feel it affecting me not only psychologically, but
perhaps even physically.

In article ,
Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote:

Bill wrote:
In article
,
Artful Dodger wrote:

Hardly anybody posting. Is it the change in seasons? The advent of
(sob) the early dark? Or -- the elections?

I am so tense, I feel it affecting me not only psychologically, but
perhaps even physically.

If I were a praying person, I would pray that my beloved country
doesn't fall back into the hands of the villains who
have been running it into the ground for more than the last 8 years.

Take a look at Obie almost 40 years latter.

FYI Ron Howard screwed us on Imagine stock. Now he will screw us with
Obammy.

Vote for Obama is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

You want four more years of a Republican administration? Man, you're a
glutton for punishment.
Bush ran as a smaller government, free market candidate. He has
increased the size of government by turning America into a police state.
The housing bubble has burst but the security bubble grows.
After his administration "took" office he had an energy summit that
didn't invite any public advocacy groups. Only energy groups were
invited like Enron and his buddy, "Kenny boy". Next thing you knew was
Kenny boy was scamming California on electricity purchases. Then Kenny
boy was encouraging his workers to invest in Enron stock. Bush with drew
from the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty ad refused the Kyoto Protocol.
Then Bush got us into a vanity war with Iraq, based if you can believe
him, on the journalism of Judith Miller, who was being fed information
by "Scooter Libby" (Cheney's aid). How many people have died or have
been scarred by Bush's grab for Iraq's oil? After hurricane Katrina,
FEMA didn't try to get New Orleans's residents back into their homes but
gave carte blanche to real estate developers like Donald Trumph. He
closed public schools and fired their teachers in order to create a
private voucher school system which has failed. He has done away with
the eight hundred year old tradition of habeas corpus, if you are
designated by him to be an "illegal combatant". Imprisoned in an
undisclosed prison without legal counsel. His Secretary of the Treasury
Henry Paulson, "in 2004, at the request of the major Wall Street
investment houses, including Goldman Sachs, then headed by Paulson, the
U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission agreed unanimously to release
the major investment houses from the net capital rule, the requirement
that their brokerages hold reserve capital that limited their leverage
and risk exposure."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Paulson
Now Paulson controls $700 BILLION of tax payers money to dole out as he
sees fit with no government oversight.

It will be a generation, at least before our country recovers from the
last eight years of Bush Kleptocracy and you want more?

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/f...stiglitz200811
by the former Senior Vice President and Chief Economist of the World
Bank, Joseph Stiglitz.

Maybe you just identify with McCain because he graduated 894 out of a
class of 899.
--

Billy
Republican and Democratic "Leadership" Behind Bars
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net

"Zoot" wrote in message

I don't have any problems on which I need to seek advice and I'm sure
no-one is interested in the state of my compost or what my sweet peas are
doing. There has to be some sort of reason to post.

I'm envious!

:-)) Well, if it's any consolation, I'm envious of all you mob living in
the Northern hemisphere as winter draws on here but you lot are all writing
about your spring and how things are doing.

And when that happens, there are a lot of you doing the same thing. There
are only a few of us here who live in the Southern hemisphere who post here
regulalry so you have lots more company than we do.

Here in the Willamette Valley, western Oregon, USA, the frosts
have killed the tender plants and the not-so-tender plants are on their
last legs.

I have beets and carrots and cabbages doing good, but something here
devours my radishes and turnips - it is ruining all of them, and I have no
clue what it is or how to stop. Something bores into them right below the
surface of the dirt, and every single radish and turnip has been ruined
because of them. I'd nuke the little *******s if I knew what would work.

Can't help you with that as I've not grown either of those for years. I'm
having a problem with birds called Choughs which can throw mulch at least 3
ft over their shoulder and kill anything by pulling it out unless it's
covered with bird netting. I have 1 raspberry plant left from a whole row
of them as I thought that at least raspberries would be strong enough to
survive their tugs. Sadly not, but I love these birds and their social
habits so I put up with them.

On 10/25/08 9:58 AM, in article
, "Frank"
frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote:

Cheryl Isaak wrote:
On 10/24/08 6:08 PM, in article
, "Frank"
frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote:

Plants are dead or dying from frost. As Gibbons said, "Time for the
meat course." I'm hunting.

Send some venison my way please.

A bout of achy knee and achy shoulder has kept me from doing my fall clean
up. Never did re-do the iris bed or weed out more garlic chives. I will go
cut the seed heads off and throw them on the "lawn".


Cheryl

My freezer's filling up and my adult sons have turned there nose up at
venison in the past but, now with current economy, their tastes are
changing.

The other day, I had a bowl of chestnut soup from my chestnuts and a
venison steak from doe contributor for lunch. Life could not be better.

Frank
I'm headed over. I'll have to punt on the soup (issues with nuts, pecans and
walnuts make my throat fill with mucus, but I test negative for "true
allergy" reactions, still avoid most tree nuts).

I'll make a tasty side dish of roasted root veggies.

Cheryl

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"Zoot" wrote in message

I don't have any problems on which I need to seek advice and I'm sure
no-one is interested in the state of my compost or what my sweet peas
are doing. There has to be some sort of reason to post.

I'm envious!

:-)) Well, if it's any consolation, I'm envious of all you mob living in
the Northern hemisphere as winter draws on here but you lot are all
writing about your spring and how things are doing.

And when that happens, there are a lot of you doing the same thing. There
are only a few of us here who live in the Southern hemisphere who post
here regulalry so you have lots more company than we do.

Living in zone 8A in central Texas. I have to be careful when reading posts
here with gardening/lawn advice as most don't apply to my area. You don't
have to live in another hemisphere to experience this. I will have to bring
in my home-grown lemon tree in a pot soon.
--
Dave

If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not
a cantaloupe.

On Oct 24, 2:36*pm, Artful Dodger wrote:
Hardly anybody posting. *Is it the change in seasons? *The advent of
(sob) the early dark? *Or -- the elections?

I am so tense, I feel it affecting me not only psychologically, but
perhaps even physically.

If I were a praying person, I would pray that my beloved country
doesn't fall back into the hands of the villains who
have been running it into the ground for more than the last 8 years.


The Google newsgroups are on LOCKDOWN again. I suspect the spammers
have been revolting after the most recent international BUST.

"Dioclese" NONE wrote in message
...
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"Zoot" wrote in message

I don't have any problems on which I need to seek advice and I'm sure
no-one is interested in the state of my compost or what my sweet peas
are doing. There has to be some sort of reason to post.

I'm envious!

:-)) Well, if it's any consolation, I'm envious of all you mob living in
the Northern hemisphere as winter draws on here but you lot are all
writing about your spring and how things are doing.

And when that happens, there are a lot of you doing the same thing.
There are only a few of us here who live in the Southern hemisphere who
post here regulalry so you have lots more company than we do.

Living in zone 8A in central Texas. I have to be careful when reading
posts here with gardening/lawn advice as most don't apply to my area. You
don't have to live in another hemisphere to experience this. I will have
to bring in my home-grown lemon tree in a pot soon.
--


I lived in Las Vegas for 15 years. My peach trees grew like crazy! Basil
exploded out of the ground. Mint takes over anywhere it finds water. But
squash? Eggplants? Peppers? I could never get them to survive July and
August. When the temp hit 120, half of my garden died and I eventually gave
up. Now I'm in Oregon, where my peach trees are dying from some unknown
bug/disease, my basil just sits there and molds, but my tomatoes and peppers
and eggplants are huge. Go figure...

Vote for Obama is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

You want four more years of a Republican administration? Man, you're a
glutton for punishment.
snip

Yes. Because what Obama would do to this country scares me to death.
Regardless of what Bush has done, Obama will do worse. Can you say
"Socialism"?

"Zoot" wrote in message
...

Vote for Obama is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

You want four more years of a Republican administration? Man, you're a
glutton for punishment.
snip

Yes. Because what Obama would do to this country scares me to death.
Regardless of what Bush has done, Obama will do worse. Can you say
"Socialism"?


Dang, there I go breaking my own rules about not talking politics. Liberal
extremism does that to me sometimes....