My neighbor and I too have trouble with one cat in particular crapping in our flower beds. However,
he seems to hide it very well. I don't have my vegetable garden fenced in and have no problems with rabbits,
although they are around as I found a nest in my yard under a couple bags of mulch. Rabbits love tulips, crocus, and
other flowers as well as vegetables but again I have no problem. If this stray cat is the reason then for now I am willing to clean up after him.
I have no way of knowing for sure. I'm sure he is helping to keep the rodent population down as well. I will say
this though. If I start having problems with vegetables and flowers being consumed I will first speak to the owner.
If that does not work then I will do the most humane thing possible to get rid of him which will including calling
the city first. which incidently I did when I first moved in. In two weeks I caught two stray cats I didn't know were
around. The one we knew of avoided the trap. Then I thought to myself he may be the reason I don't have rabbit problems
so I let it go. If all else fails I will buy my own trap, trap him, and take him to the game lands and put a bullet in his head.

cheers,
sparkie





On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 06:57:36 -0400, "Dvd" wrote:


"JNJ" wrote in message
news
I swear I'm going to start shooting these blasted cats. I just walked out
to the kitchen to get some apple juice. I look out the front door and
notice a neighborhood cat squatting in my new bed -- you know, the one I
just created and mulched over. Broad daylight, 3:30 in the afternoon and
this cat is using my new bed for a litter box.

See the cat poll
http://home.golden.net/~dhobson/catpoll.htm

Tom Jaszewski wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:06:19 -0600, John DeBoo
wrote:


Since I don't have the bucks to invest in a paintball gun (which I
admit sounds like a viable alternative) nor do I wish to clean up
the paint should I miss 'Precious', I use BBs. I don't want to harm
them either thus I only pump once, twice at the very most so if I
should hit them the BB won't penetrate the skin



According to Karen Davis of your Community Outreach, when asked if BB
gunning was acceptable in your community, or "Is it legal to shoot
roaming cats with a BB gun."


"Yes, that would certainly be considered animal cruelty here as well.
However, we must have a formal complaint before we can send an officer
out to investigate."

Karen Davis
Public Outreach
764-1137

Hey Tommy - kiss my ass!

"JNJ" wrote in message
Maybe I can create a motion sensitive device that will send a focused beam
of electricity at the cat when it squats -- a Tesla ray gun. Turn them into
instant fertilizer.

I wonder if these fishermen are gardeners gone mad from cat scat.

http://heraldsun.news.com.au/printpa...741856,00.html

HeyJNJ,
I have four cats and they are all trained to stay out of my flower beds and
veggie garden, but I've noticed my neighbours putting chicken wire down on
their flower beds. They say that it stops the cats from being able to dig,
so the cats move on to somewhere else.
J.Lane
"JNJ" wrote in message
news
I swear I'm going to start shooting these blasted cats. I just walked out
to the kitchen to get some apple juice. I look out the front door and
notice a neighborhood cat squatting in my new bed -- you know, the one I
just created and mulched over. Broad daylight, 3:30 in the afternoon and
this cat is using my new bed for a litter box. We had a torrential
downpour
last night here -- all of the mulch (cypress mulch by the way) is still
wet
and it didn't stop him.

Maybe I can create a motion sensitive device that will send a focused beam
of electricity at the cat when it squats -- a Tesla ray gun. Turn them
into
instant fertilizer.

GRRRRRRR....

James

maybe your cats are in their flower beds?

"J. Lane" wrote:

HeyJNJ,
I have four cats and they are all trained to stay out of my flower beds and
veggie garden, but I've noticed my neighbours putting chicken wire down on
their flower beds. They say that it stops the cats from being able to dig,
so the cats move on to somewhere else.


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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:06:43 -0600, John DeBoo
wrote:

Hey Tommy - kiss my ass!


perhaps you'll enjoy kissing the investigators?

....and don't forget their FISH and BIRDS too!

Did you ever stop and think that a Cat is not a Dog? You can't just
leash a cat into your yard like a dog. Just because something works
for a dog doesn't mean it applies to other animals.

I assume that you sit on your porch at night with a shotgun shooting
at rabbits and frogs just in case they get in your flowerbed as well?

If pet owners were more responsible and kept THEIR cats in THEIR
yards as I do with MY dogs, instead of allowing them to roam free
and crap in my yard and/or cause MY dogs to bark while THEIR cat
site on my 7' fence and glares at MY dogs, then I wouldn't have a
problem with THEIR cats. But since this is not the case I choose
to
shoot at them with a BB gun. I'm damned if I'll pay to rent a
trap
to catch their cat only to have them let it go as soon as Animal
Control leaves. I don't want to hurt the cats, just discourage
them
from crapping in my yard and teasing my Min Pins. As for Animal
Abuse, give me a break and join the REAL world! *
--
Lucy
--------------------------------------------------------------------
----
posted via www.GardenBanter.co.uk

You can't just leash a cat into your yard like a dog.

Yes, you damn well can!!!!!!! Plenty of people do!

"Cat, the new white meat"

Graham

In article , "graham"
wrote:

You can't just leash a cat into your yard like a dog.

Yes, you damn well can!!!!!!! Plenty of people do!

"Cat, the new white meat"

Graham

Though the greater part of me laments the days when every neighborhood had
dogs & children & cats & chickens running loose without fences or
supervision or cages or leashes, short of cutting back the human
population by about three-fourths immediately, we are not apt ever to see
those days again, not in regions anywhere near cities, towns, or suburbs.

It was once regarded as normal to let the dogs do as they pleased & if
they did per chance begin biting children or killing chickens, the dogs
were sumarily shot, and no one was sued. Today it is simply illegal to let
them run loose. It was once normal if one's five-year-old child played in
an empty lot or the nearest woods with a couple other little friends, but
now without adult supervision, a parent could be arrested for criminally
endangering a child or putting it at risk of being carted off & molested
by some adult member of our increasingly psychotic society.

I've lived long enough to see so many ordinary behaviors become
criminalized, & our rights & privileges whittled away from ourselves, our
children, our pets, for all sorts of rational-seeming reasons. The only
wonder is that with everything else restricted or banned, how is that in
most places it is still at least legal to let the cats roam loose,
annoying the bejabbers out of non-cat people. It's easy to see in what
direction we're "evolving" & the same sorts of neighbors who helped pass
laws so your rooster won't wake them up in the morning, so your dog won't
be unfenced or unleashed, so you can't have a pony or a llama or sweet
little jenny inside the city limits, so that even your safely caged pet
python is illegal in a growing number of places -- does anyone REALLY
think this same spreading attitude against animals will permit cats to
roam at will for a great many years yet to come?

To me it is strange that the ferret, which is the third-most-popular pet
mammal (other than rodents) after dogs & cats, is an illegal pet in
California. The pet skunks I cared for as a child, if I had them now, I
could be arrested, & my pets destroyed, if I had them today -- even such
domestic strains as the white, albino white, & chocoalte skunks raised in
southern skunkeries & hand-raised as the sweetest pets imaginable are no
an exception here in Washington. Nowadays increasing breeds of dogs are
being made illegal because of a few irresponsible owners turning public
sentiment even against Man's Best Friend. The way things are going, cat
lovers will have to count themselves lucky if cats are even still LEGAL a
few more years down the line! They carry more diseases to people, some of
them fatal, than do dogs, so just think of the excuses that can be made to
ban them.

This indicates the INEVITABLE future for cats, too. In fact indoor cats
that have no liberty to carouse neighborhoods live much longer lives than
outdoor cats, & it WILL be argued that letting cats run free is very cruel
& their shortened lives prove it.

I sure don't say it's a good thing that such restrictions are coming. I
really don't mind the neighbors' cats visiting me, never understood why
the occasional cat turn gets some non-cat people up in arms. But it's a
fact, the days of the free-range kitty is going to go the way of the
free-range family dog or even the free-range human being. Animal lovers
will say its to protect the life of the cat, others will say it's because
letting cats shit in neighbors' gardens is a public health issue, or that
letting cats roam about killing whatever little bit is left of native
fauna, particularly songbirds, is criminally irresponsible. Someday --
sooner than they may right now believe -- cat owners will risk fines,
arrest, or imprisonment, as well as the "putting down" of the kitties for
scratching a neighbor kid (a greatrer source of disease than dogbites, &
happens more often too), or for being off leash.

Here are a couple cool websites about cat leashing; you might as well
start preparing now:
http://freeairpress.com/Cats/leash.html
http://www.peoriahs.org/catleash.html

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

You could just pave over everything and stick in plastic and wood flowers,
carpet with artifical turf, etc. That would keep out all the annoying
"criters" I curse the squirrels for digging up my freshly planted
annuals, the kingfisher for eating my most attractive goldfish, my cats for
wiping out my rodent population, etc. but I leave it at that and acknowledge
they the have as much right to the earth as I do and that I no more "own" my
piece of acreage than those before me who dumped their garbage on it or
those after me that will probably dig up all my treasured plants and put in
a pool to drown their own or a neighbor's kid in.

DK

"Some One" wrote in message
. ca...
...and don't forget their FISH and BIRDS too!

Did you ever stop and think that a Cat is not a Dog? You can't just
leash a cat into your yard like a dog. Just because something works
for a dog doesn't mean it applies to other animals.

I assume that you sit on your porch at night with a shotgun shooting
at rabbits and frogs just in case they get in your flowerbed as well?

If pet owners were more responsible and kept THEIR cats in THEIR
yards as I do with MY dogs, instead of allowing them to roam free
and crap in my yard and/or cause MY dogs to bark while THEIR cat
site on my 7' fence and glares at MY dogs, then I wouldn't have a
problem with THEIR cats. But since this is not the case I choose
to
shoot at them with a BB gun. I'm damned if I'll pay to rent a
trap
to catch their cat only to have them let it go as soon as Animal
Control leaves. I don't want to hurt the cats, just discourage
them
from crapping in my yard and teasing my Min Pins. As for Animal
Abuse, give me a break and join the REAL world! *
--
Lucy
--------------------------------------------------------------------
----
posted via www.GardenBanter.co.uk

[someone said]
You can't just leash a cat into your yard like a dog.


Though the greater part of me laments the days when every neighborhood had
dogs & children & cats & chickens running loose without fences or
supervision or cages or leashes, short of cutting back the human
population by about three-fourths immediately, we are not apt ever to see
those days again, not in regions anywhere near cities, towns, or suburbs.

It was once regarded as normal to let the dogs do as they pleased & if
they did per chance begin biting children or killing chickens, the dogs
were sumarily shot, and no one was sued. Today it is simply illegal to let
them run loose. It was once normal if one's five-year-old child played in
an empty lot or the nearest woods with a couple other little friends, but
now without adult supervision, a parent could be arrested for criminally
endangering a child or putting it at risk of being carted off & molested
by some adult member of our increasingly psychotic society.

I've lived long enough to see so many ordinary behaviors become
criminalized, & our rights & privileges whittled away from ourselves, our
children, our pets, for all sorts of rational-seeming reasons. The only
wonder is that with everything else restricted or banned, how is that in
most places it is still at least legal to let the cats roam loose,
annoying the bejabbers out of non-cat people. It's easy to see in what
direction we're "evolving" & the same sorts of neighbors who helped pass
laws so your rooster won't wake them up in the morning, so your dog won't
be unfenced or unleashed, so you can't have a pony or a llama or sweet
little jenny inside the city limits, so that even your safely caged pet
python is illegal in a growing number of places -- does anyone REALLY
think this same spreading attitude against animals will permit cats to
roam at will for a great many years yet to come?

To me it is strange that the ferret, which is the third-most-popular pet
mammal (other than rodents) after dogs & cats, is an illegal pet in
California. The pet skunks I cared for as a child, if I had them now, I
could be arrested, & my pets destroyed, if I had them today -- even such
domestic strains as the white, albino white, & chocoalte skunks raised in
southern skunkeries & hand-raised as the sweetest pets imaginable are no
an exception here in Washington. Nowadays increasing breeds of dogs are
being made illegal because of a few irresponsible owners turning public
sentiment even against Man's Best Friend. The way things are going, cat
lovers will have to count themselves lucky if cats are even still LEGAL a
few more years down the line! They carry more diseases to people, some of
them fatal, than do dogs, so just think of the excuses that can be made to
ban them.

This indicates the INEVITABLE future for cats, too. In fact indoor cats
that have no liberty to carouse neighborhoods live much longer lives than
outdoor cats, & it WILL be argued that letting cats run free is very cruel
& their shortened lives prove it.

I sure don't say it's a good thing that such restrictions are coming. I
really don't mind the neighbors' cats visiting me, never understood why
the occasional cat turn gets some non-cat people up in arms. But it's a
fact, the days of the free-range kitty is going to go the way of the
free-range family dog or even the free-range human being. Animal lovers
will say its to protect the life of the cat, others will say it's because
letting cats shit in neighbors' gardens is a public health issue, or that
letting cats roam about killing whatever little bit is left of native
fauna, particularly songbirds, is criminally irresponsible. Someday --
sooner than they may right now believe -- cat owners will risk fines,
arrest, or imprisonment, as well as the "putting down" of the kitties for
scratching a neighbor kid (a greatrer source of disease than dogbites, &
happens more often too), or for being off leash.

Here are a couple cool websites about cat leashing; you might as well
start preparing now:
http://freeairpress.com/Cats/leash.html
http://www.peoriahs.org/catleash.html

-paghat the ratgirl

Looks like I was behind the times on that post. Cats outdoors & off
leashes have already been banned state-wide in Florida (will soon be
banned state-wide in Illinois), in several entire counties, & in such
diverse cities as Gaitherburg & Rockville MD & all Prince George County ;
Houston & Arlington TX (Austin considering it); Laurel City, Montana;
Naperville, IL; Hendersonville TN; Fayetteville Arkansas; Tulsa OK; San
Jose, CA & all of Holister County; Akron OH; & many other places, with Cat
Leash Laws under consideration in every other part of the country. Laws
typically levy fines of $100, sometimes less, but can be much more,
especially for repeat violators. Second offenses commonly require full
court appearances.

The Akron cat leash law resulted in thousands of cats just trapped &
killed. Witham & Charlotte Counties in Florida had cat leash laws before
it went state-wide, as did many Florida towns & cities. When the Witham
law went into effect, there were some outcries against it, but the voices
in favor far outnumbered the voices of cat advocates. And the only reason
a great many more cats weren't trapped & killed was because the Sherrif's
Animal Control Unit did not have funding for the extra staff to answer the
sudden radical increase in complaints demanding the trapping & removal of
neighbors' wayward cats.

Leash laws kill cats in two ways. First because any cat that is not also
collared & liscensed will be taken to animal control and in the majority
of cases destroyed. Second because cats on leashes frequently hang
themselves on trees and fences. For this reason a good cat collar has "pop
bead" break-away feature so that when it struggles in the hanging
position, the collar comes off before it strangles to death. Then it is
trapped for wandering free, taken to animal control, and destroyed.

The real reason so many legislators want these laws is NOT because of a
sudden burgeoning of hatred for cats. It's a windfall of hidden taxes.
Every time Bush cuts taxes for the richest 2% in the country, everyone
else gets higher local fees, fines, liscenses to pick up the slack --
fees, fines, & liscenses that regulate every aspect of daily life. The
Illinois legislation will permit multiple fees be charged every one who
has a cat even if their cat never roams free. High fees that will be
raised higher year by year. The public health & well being is NOT the real
consideration of (as present example) Illinois legisation. It is a MAJOR
revenue-enhancer for the state, as even if they don't get to fine you,
you'll be paying three separate fees or your cat is not legal. There will
be a cat REGISTRATION FEE, annual LISCENSE fee, a LITTER TAX if your cat
reproduces, FINES if your cat so much as suns itself on the sidewalk in
front of where it lives. Plus the cost of cutting out its sex organs, plus
the cost of legally required microchipping, because the Illinois
legislation also proposes to require microchipping of all cats. Note that
microchipping protects animals only if an owner signs up & pays for a 24
hour service for tracking lost animals; otherwise the whole purpose of
microchipping is to track down & levy fines against owners. If there is
insufficient funding to call & let an owner know its cat will be killed if
not picked up within the day, then no phone call will ever be made, but a
ticket will arrive in the mail since come what may money must be given to
the state. If Illinois does get this state-wide legislation in place,
which is by far the most draconian of cat leash laws to date, it will be
the model for all other states that need to come up with novel methods of
raising revenues -- & there aren't a lot of ways to get MULTIPLE hidden
taxes all in one swell foop, so this one's a big winner.

In favor of cat leash laws: bird advocates have claimed increasing
populations of some of the more easily captured songbirds after cat-leash
laws & mass-round-ups & cat-killings lowered the population of roaming
cats. It is estimated that in an average small city, cats kill a
quarter-million birds annually, with delicate birds more easily preyed
upon. Cats kept indoors also have longer average lifespans, no longer
susceptible to diseases from encounters with feral animals, getting run
over by cars, poisoned by irate neighbors, or mauled in cat fights or by
dogs. For these and other reasons, the Humane Society supports cat leash &
confinement laws.

So my prediction that cat leashing was going a FUTURE certainty was
offered too late to be merely alarmist. My sense that such laws would
mainly occur in cities & suburbs but not rural areas was dead wrong, as it
is already a counties-wide & state-wide bans are in effect or pending. It
is estimated that in less than ten years the age of the free-roaming cat
will be over. Since cat-disdain recurs so often in this gardening group,
among people who don't want cats fertilizng their gardens, I assume there
is more support for this than I personally feel. To me it's just one more
of the million little ways every breath any of us take, man or beast, is
criminalized or otherwise regulated by the government. These laws empower
loony animal-haters to harrass even the most responsible pet owners at
risk of fines or having animals carted off & destroyed to the delight of
Mister or Missus Evilshits who wish they could also burn down your whole
damn house with you & your kids in it, but will settle for the legal right
to trap & destroy your cat if it sets foot in their yard, or report you to
the government if your cat lounges even so far from the house as the
immediate sidewalk.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

Snip

So my prediction that cat leashing was going a FUTURE certainty was
offered too late to be merely alarmist. My sense that such laws would
mainly occur in cities & suburbs but not rural areas was dead wrong, as it
is already a counties-wide & state-wide bans are in effect or pending. It
is estimated that in less than ten years the age of the free-roaming cat
will be over. Since cat-disdain recurs so often in this gardening group,
among people who don't want cats fertilizng their gardens, I assume there
is more support for this than I personally feel. To me it's just one more
of the million little ways every breath any of us take, man or beast, is
criminalized or otherwise regulated by the government. These laws empower
loony animal-haters to harrass even the most responsible pet owners at
risk of fines or having animals carted off & destroyed Snip

We wouldn't need these laws if cat owners were responsible people and kept
their pets under control. We already license dogs so I really don't see
what all the fuss is about. And as for "loony animal haters", I've come
across far more loony cat lovers! They are certainly disease carriers and
I'm sure that these vermin carry a virus which turns otherwise normal human
beings into blithering idiots!

Graham

For some inexplicable reasons, (paghat)
wrote:

: Second because cats on leashes frequently hang
:themselves on trees and fences.

Why don't the people on the other end of the leashes notice that the
cat has hung itself on a tree or a fence? They can't be more than 6
to 12 feet away.

--
Wendy Chatley Green

You'll be alright, just as soon as
you have some *real* problems in life
to deal with, and spend enough years
with a good psychiatrist in order to
learn how to deal with your sickness.

Mentally average people, emotionally
adjusted to an average degree, don't
even kid about shooting animals.

Gee, James, animals were made with certain
natural instincts. Talk to God if you
want to complain about how the cats
behavior offends you. I'm willing to
bet he/she will have all kinds of (far more
serious) things to take you to task over that offend him/her.

Grow up.
Go feed starving people instead of worrying
about cats in your garden, and wasting time
in your life to post related tripe on the Internet.
Neither your garden, or you, are ever going to
make a bit of difference to this planet, to
civilization -- except to drag it farther down.

At least learn to keep your mouth shut, and
your fingers still, so you don't run about
proving what a dumb person you are any more
than you absolutely must.



"JNJ" wrote in message ...
I swear I'm going to start shooting these blasted cats. I just walked out
to the kitchen to get some apple juice. I look out the front door and
notice a neighborhood cat squatting in my new bed -- you know, the one I
just created and mulched over. Broad daylight, 3:30 in the afternoon and
this cat is using my new bed for a litter box. We had a torrential downpour
last night here -- all of the mulch (cypress mulch by the way) is still wet
and it didn't stop him.

Maybe I can create a motion sensitive device that will send a focused beam
of electricity at the cat when it squats -- a Tesla ray gun. Turn them into
instant fertilizer.

GRRRRRRR....

James