Well friends, they say that the more you wanna know the less they tell
you, or something like that.....since Friday was three days after I
took the stress test, I called the doctor............HUGE
SIGH.....................apparently he doesn't discuss results over
the phone.....ok, so when is the soonest I can talk to him?? THURSDAY
NEXT WEEK??????????????????? crap.

So that makes me think that if it were something really serious, he
would have called me, I hope. Not having insurance makes me wonder
though....but according to a few people at work, he's one of the good
heart specialists. (I can't afford him). Ann, I love you for your
concern, and you too, Pat. I wondered if it was an anxiety attack
too, Cheryl. But I've HAD those before. they went away. This weight
in the middle of my chest and the pinchy kinda numb feeling in my arms
has stayed with me now since last Thursday, sometimes worse and other
times just noticible. I had a moment of clarity at work the other
day, though. I had been asked to completely sweep the back five
aisles of the nursery where the pool chemicals, dog pens, pavers,
FERTILIZERS and WEED AND FEED, fencing stuff, and such are at. Most
people who have been to Lowe's and in the nursery are aware of these
back aisles where the extra stuff is located. We keep these area's
and the aisles of the plant tables clean anyway, but apparently some
uppety muck was coming to the store and the store manager knew I'd do
a thorough job and wanted me to get in between the pallets and such.

It was a georgous day. One of the last ones. WArm, slight wind. Sunny
and just beautiful. I don't like push brooms and I really needed an
angle one, and it took me five hours to do a complete and thorough
job. In between the sweeping, I helped customers and such, but pretty
much stayed back there cleaning up missed spots and crevices. I
raised alot of dust even though I know HOW to sweep. Now I wonder if
I inhaled fine particles of weed and feed?? or fertilizers? I didn't
just swing that broom wildly, but there was ALOT of dust because
that's the back area that stays dry with the tin roof. It's possible
something got into my lungs and is affecting me since it's that close
to my heart. If the doctor tells me me heart is fine, then I will
approach this too, as well as the possiblity of a blockage.....not
looking forward to them checking me for a blockage, but I can't live
like this, not knowing. And the pressure and discomfort is still
there. Even today. So it's not just anxiety (well, I know I'm under
stress, Squire didn't have work the last ten days, which was perfect
timing, oldest son lost his temporary job and got the flu and has been
sick the whole time I've been down, I missed four days of my work
which gave me a miniscule check (not that it was large to begin with
since they've cut my hours to 20 a week) but with Squire not working
these last ten days, that means no check next week, with nothing from
me as I get paid alternate weeks, thanksgiving is a pay period for me
but payday is the day AFTER............and all the remaining bills are
due Wednesday. I have to laugh.............G

Seriously, I decided that I can't just stop, so I get up and am glad I
am up and still have a warm house that is packed to the ceiling with
cactus and tropicals needing a spot to sit, grateful that so far, I've
got my daughter and her girls and husband coming from NAshville, and
oldest son's friends and their boys coming down from Chicago for roast
beast day, and everyone will chip in something and we'll have a great
time. I got a tearful surprise yesterday when I got to work. Lowe's
gave everyone a $25 coupon at Food Lion and that enabled us to get a
turkey for the feast, and when someone remarked to me that it was our
big Thanksgiving and CHristmas bonus, woo hoo, I told them with tears
in my eyes that no, it was rather wonderful considering we weren't
going to be able to have much of a dinner this year due to
circumstances. it took them aback and they remarked that I had just
made them realize it wasn't the "little $25" but the idea of what it
was and they felt badly that they didn't appreciate it as much as I
did.

I still go to work, I still push myself too far, but so far, other
than sore muscles, I'm hanging in there and once I find out something
solid, I will let ya'll know. My love comes out to ya'll for being
there for me, wheather I hear from you or see you I know you're out
there. I didn't post what I did for attention, I just sometimes need
to know I'm not alone with my life struggles. And we're all going thru
this if not worse. Our love and respect for one another is one of the
reasons I love this newsgroup (despite the bickering, because a good
relationship has those bickering moments, makes the make up and smooth
overs that much more fun!)

I hope you are all doing well, and look forward to the conversations
that spring up during these fallow times. Let the catalogs continue!
(I've already gotten a lion's share of them)

Garden note: it's a cold, rainy, foggy day outside after we had our
first hard freeze. the perennials that are still blooming are standing
strong, but the rest of the garden is starting to look like a bad hair
day. The leaves have all pretty much been blown off the trees with
exception to some die hard ones like my black cherry tree in the east
side. It's hanging firm with them still. The pink butterfly bush
that resides in the corner of the NSSG still has leaves and now is
sporting new silvery green leaves at the bases of those leaves. I hate
to cut it back come spring, but I will anyway to have more flowers.

The Mexican sage I got from Reba down the road hung in there during
those bitter winds and 20o temperatures, but I attribute it also to
the fact that it's sitting at the back of the south facing raised
garden and the dogrun provided it a little backside micro climate. I
just hope it makes it thru the winter and returns for me come
springtime. It's a nice clump.

The mums all look like they've gone thru a wringer washer, and the
figs on the tree are finally at the familiar stage. Droopy and dark
and hanging below those huge fuzzy leaves that are starting to drop
off. And everywhere, HUGE pawlonia leaves are everywhere. Filling up
the fountain, draped over the fairy perching at the top of the BBQ
wall in back, the water is cold and thick with a layer of leaves
floating on top, the canna I forgot to bring in sticking out still
green (I'll have to plant her Sunday so she will return for me next
spring, she is glorious!) Not to mention there are still two burning
bush babies, a red rhodie, a Dorothy Wycliff pieris and something else
I can't remember to plant somewhere quickly as they won't survive the
winter in their pots since the tomato box is now full of plants. And
there are still bags of bulbs to tuck into that box wanting to start
their root growth before the temperatures chills the soil too much
before their winter sleep.

Ever the gardener, and plodding onward. And actually looking forward
to those Siberian irises that gardengal is sending me next spring!
(not to mention who returns for me and who can I replace?)

Again, thanks for your time, I will keep ya'll posted as I know
things. Stay safe adn warm and think of fairies tucked under leaves
and clumps of next year's perennials snoozing while others are still
busy doing their fall jobs and upcoming winter ones.

madgardener up on the rainy and cold ridge, back in fairy holler,
overlooking a mist and cloud shrouded English Mountain in Eastern
Tennessee, zone 7, Sunset zone 36

A blood test would indicate whether you had a heart attack. If you had, you would be
in the hospital now. Doctors do not fool around with heart disease, if there is
reason to suspect a heart attack they go all out.
Have you had high blood pressure and havent been treating it?
Anxiety attacks come in all kinds of variety. once those muscles are contracted for
significant periods of time they can ache like a muscle spasm for days.
Yes, you could be having a reaction to toxins as well, be sure to mention that to the
doc. not to mention all the stress you are under right now. Ingrid


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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:29:41 GMT, wrote:

A blood test would indicate whether you had a heart attack. If you had, you would be
in the hospital now. Doctors do not fool around with heart disease, if there is
reason to suspect a heart attack they go all out.

that blood test is given in a series of 3, 8 hours apart. i know
doctors do not fool around....but occasionally they overlook stuff,
and i think having to wait until thursday for test results, IS VERY
STRESS-INDUCING!
Anyway, did they rule out the heart attack? if so, HOW?

I hope you are OK, anxiety attacks is very treatable these days. I am
a lifetime veteran from two parents who had them, they are chemical in
origin. or maybe some people just get one or three in a lifetime, but
I personally never met anyone like that....

Let us know about this, i am now STRESSED over it.

hermine

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:29:41 GMT, wrote:

A blood test would indicate whether you had a heart attack. If you had, you would be
in the hospital now. Doctors do not fool around with heart disease, if there is
reason to suspect a heart attack they go all out.
Have you had high blood pressure and havent been treating it?
Anxiety attacks come in all kinds of variety. once those muscles are contracted for
significant periods of time they can ache like a muscle spasm for days.
Yes, you could be having a reaction to toxins as well, be sure to mention that to the
doc. not to mention all the stress you are under right now. Ingrid
((((((((((hug))))))))))))) yes, I don't think it was a heart attack.
(they said my blood was fine, my husband even says the doctor who came
down to talk to us while I was still in ER mentioned that my
colesterole was fine, I don't remember that one) and they labled it
"atypical heart pains" the symptoms are exactly what I am
experiencing, including that pinchy, kinda numbish feeling in my arms
like my circulation is being cut off somewhere, the pain though does
get more pressure feeling with physical activity. My stress test was
probably outstanding as I focased, breathed thru my nose and refused
to talk while they put me thru it. down to the last push I kept on
even though I was showing signs of blowing out. The nurse who was
monotoring me said I made it the whole way including the minute and
half they usually tried to push others doing the test. If he says I
have a strong heart, good. I want to know why my chest hurts so much
now. (it might take me a long time for the toxins in that dust to
leave my lungs, especially since I haven't coughed up anything
suspicious, and how long does that crap stay in our lungs anyway??) I
appreciate your responding back honey. off to work with me..I have a
NINE hour day today (I know I wanted hours, but NINE?? sheesh)
maddie


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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:41:06 GMT, hermine stover
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:29:41 GMT, wrote:

A blood test would indicate whether you had a heart attack. If you had, you would be
in the hospital now. Doctors do not fool around with heart disease, if there is
reason to suspect a heart attack they go all out.

that blood test is given in a series of 3, 8 hours apart. i know
doctors do not fool around....but occasionally they overlook stuff,
and i think having to wait until thursday for test results, IS VERY
STRESS-INDUCING!
Anyway, did they rule out the heart attack? if so, HOW?

I hope you are OK, anxiety attacks is very treatable these days. I am
a lifetime veteran from two parents who had them, they are chemical in
origin. or maybe some people just get one or three in a lifetime, but
I personally never met anyone like that....

Let us know about this, i am now STRESSED over it.

hermine

don't stress until I give you reason to sugar. I promise I will let
ya'll know what it is even if it's a shining report and it's all my
stresses. I don't care that I haven't insurance, and the bills coming
from all of this will be laughable. Just that I am still waltzing with
the IRS over all that crap still has me in a sort of amused disgust
and I refuse to let that bug me. (I know it's in the back of my mind,
and it will remain there until they dismiss our case or settle once
again for something, anything, which is why the impending hospital
bills are so funny. They can't come close to what the IRS still says
we owe them despite our refinancing our house in March and paying them
$13,000 and everything that entailed. I'll send 'em $10 a month and
they'll take it or they can drag me thru the ropes......let 'em come!
I just want to know what is wrong with me so I can get on with my life
thanks for the concern, Hermine.
maddie

Hey MG -- I've been in the heart-go-round for a while now and just had a
pacemaker implanted a couple of weeks back. If you have any questions or
need to talk, feel free to e-mail me.

My experience with my own cardiologist has shown that they will take it easy
with non-life-threatening conditions, waiting until appointments and so
forth. When it's a serious condition requiring immediate attention though,
they don't fool around.

FWIW, here is some information on some of the more common tests they might
run. Since I've no idea how familiar you are with these things, I'll
explain each briefly -- drop a note if you have any questions.

Blood tests are used to rule out heart attacks that have recently
occurred -- they search for a protein released during the heart attack.
Unfortunately, that protein is gone after about 24 hours if memory serves,
so this has limited value. To know for certain whether or not a heart
attack has occurred, they'll want to do an angiogram -- this is where they
insert a cath up the leg into the heart and examine the tissue for damage.

One of the most common tests they run is an echocardiogram. This is
basically the same a sonogram but directed at the heart. It's non-invasive
and gives information on heart function.

Naturally, they'll run one or more EKGs -- I'm sure you're familiar with
these by now. They had them going when they ran the stress test and they
probably already gave you one when you came into the office. An abnormal
EKG can show a lot of things and may show the need for further testing.

If they suspect a blockage they may choose to do an angiogram or they may
choose to do a cardiolite stress test. A cardiolite stress test is a
non-invasive test given in two phases on different days. On day 1 they
inject a radioactive dye into your system, put you on the treadmill to get
your heart rate up, then have you lay on a table that shoots a 3D image of
your heart beating. The image is reconstructed by the computer and allows
them to see blood flow through the heart. On day #2 (1-5 days later
typically) they do everything the same but without the treadmill (at rest).

If you're suffering an arrythmia (odd beat) they might do an
electrophysiology study (similar to an angiogram in process but with
different items examined) or they could put you on a monitor for 24 hours
(in or out of the office).

These are some of the more common tests they'll run in the early sessions.
I know what it's like to be sort of flying in the wind with heart issues --
I've been fairly well alone with my own. If you need to talk about any of
it, e-mail me, 'k?

Hope some of this helps.

James

"madgardener" wrote in message
...
Well friends, they say that the more you wanna know the less they tell
you, or something like that.....since Friday was three days after I
took the stress test, I called the doctor............HUGE
SIGH.....................apparently he doesn't discuss results over
the phone.....ok, so when is the soonest I can talk to him?? THURSDAY
NEXT WEEK??????????????????? crap.

So that makes me think that if it were something really serious, he
would have called me, I hope. Not having insurance makes me wonder
though....but according to a few people at work, he's one of the good
heart specialists. (I can't afford him). Ann, I love you for your
concern, and you too, Pat. I wondered if it was an anxiety attack
too, Cheryl. But I've HAD those before. they went away. This weight
in the middle of my chest and the pinchy kinda numb feeling in my arms
has stayed with me now since last Thursday, sometimes worse and other
times just noticible. I had a moment of clarity at work the other
day, though. I had been asked to completely sweep the back five
aisles of the nursery where the pool chemicals, dog pens, pavers,
FERTILIZERS and WEED AND FEED, fencing stuff, and such are at. Most
people who have been to Lowe's and in the nursery are aware of these
back aisles where the extra stuff is located. We keep these area's
and the aisles of the plant tables clean anyway, but apparently some
uppety muck was coming to the store and the store manager knew I'd do
a thorough job and wanted me to get in between the pallets and such.

It was a georgous day. One of the last ones. WArm, slight wind. Sunny
and just beautiful. I don't like push brooms and I really needed an
angle one, and it took me five hours to do a complete and thorough
job. In between the sweeping, I helped customers and such, but pretty
much stayed back there cleaning up missed spots and crevices. I
raised alot of dust even though I know HOW to sweep. Now I wonder if
I inhaled fine particles of weed and feed?? or fertilizers? I didn't
just swing that broom wildly, but there was ALOT of dust because
that's the back area that stays dry with the tin roof. It's possible
something got into my lungs and is affecting me since it's that close
to my heart. If the doctor tells me me heart is fine, then I will
approach this too, as well as the possiblity of a blockage.....not
looking forward to them checking me for a blockage, but I can't live
like this, not knowing. And the pressure and discomfort is still
there. Even today. So it's not just anxiety (well, I know I'm under
stress, Squire didn't have work the last ten days, which was perfect
timing, oldest son lost his temporary job and got the flu and has been
sick the whole time I've been down, I missed four days of my work
which gave me a miniscule check (not that it was large to begin with
since they've cut my hours to 20 a week) but with Squire not working
these last ten days, that means no check next week, with nothing from
me as I get paid alternate weeks, thanksgiving is a pay period for me
but payday is the day AFTER............and all the remaining bills are
due Wednesday. I have to laugh.............G

Seriously, I decided that I can't just stop, so I get up and am glad I
am up and still have a warm house that is packed to the ceiling with
cactus and tropicals needing a spot to sit, grateful that so far, I've
got my daughter and her girls and husband coming from NAshville, and
oldest son's friends and their boys coming down from Chicago for roast
beast day, and everyone will chip in something and we'll have a great
time. I got a tearful surprise yesterday when I got to work. Lowe's
gave everyone a $25 coupon at Food Lion and that enabled us to get a
turkey for the feast, and when someone remarked to me that it was our
big Thanksgiving and CHristmas bonus, woo hoo, I told them with tears
in my eyes that no, it was rather wonderful considering we weren't
going to be able to have much of a dinner this year due to
circumstances. it took them aback and they remarked that I had just
made them realize it wasn't the "little $25" but the idea of what it
was and they felt badly that they didn't appreciate it as much as I
did.

I still go to work, I still push myself too far, but so far, other
than sore muscles, I'm hanging in there and once I find out something
solid, I will let ya'll know. My love comes out to ya'll for being
there for me, wheather I hear from you or see you I know you're out
there. I didn't post what I did for attention, I just sometimes need
to know I'm not alone with my life struggles. And we're all going thru
this if not worse. Our love and respect for one another is one of the
reasons I love this newsgroup (despite the bickering, because a good
relationship has those bickering moments, makes the make up and smooth
overs that much more fun!)

I hope you are all doing well, and look forward to the conversations
that spring up during these fallow times. Let the catalogs continue!
(I've already gotten a lion's share of them)

Garden note: it's a cold, rainy, foggy day outside after we had our
first hard freeze. the perennials that are still blooming are standing
strong, but the rest of the garden is starting to look like a bad hair
day. The leaves have all pretty much been blown off the trees with
exception to some die hard ones like my black cherry tree in the east
side. It's hanging firm with them still. The pink butterfly bush
that resides in the corner of the NSSG still has leaves and now is
sporting new silvery green leaves at the bases of those leaves. I hate
to cut it back come spring, but I will anyway to have more flowers.

The Mexican sage I got from Reba down the road hung in there during
those bitter winds and 20o temperatures, but I attribute it also to
the fact that it's sitting at the back of the south facing raised
garden and the dogrun provided it a little backside micro climate. I
just hope it makes it thru the winter and returns for me come
springtime. It's a nice clump.

The mums all look like they've gone thru a wringer washer, and the
figs on the tree are finally at the familiar stage. Droopy and dark
and hanging below those huge fuzzy leaves that are starting to drop
off. And everywhere, HUGE pawlonia leaves are everywhere. Filling up
the fountain, draped over the fairy perching at the top of the BBQ
wall in back, the water is cold and thick with a layer of leaves
floating on top, the canna I forgot to bring in sticking out still
green (I'll have to plant her Sunday so she will return for me next
spring, she is glorious!) Not to mention there are still two burning
bush babies, a red rhodie, a Dorothy Wycliff pieris and something else
I can't remember to plant somewhere quickly as they won't survive the
winter in their pots since the tomato box is now full of plants. And
there are still bags of bulbs to tuck into that box wanting to start
their root growth before the temperatures chills the soil too much
before their winter sleep.

Ever the gardener, and plodding onward. And actually looking forward
to those Siberian irises that gardengal is sending me next spring!
(not to mention who returns for me and who can I replace?)

Again, thanks for your time, I will keep ya'll posted as I know
things. Stay safe adn warm and think of fairies tucked under leaves
and clumps of next year's perennials snoozing while others are still
busy doing their fall jobs and upcoming winter ones.

madgardener up on the rainy and cold ridge, back in fairy holler,
overlooking a mist and cloud shrouded English Mountain in Eastern
Tennessee, zone 7, Sunset zone 36

Imagination!?

Imagination can cause one small twinge of pain to become prolonged agony
especially when coupled with fear or "anxiety"

Saw it happen dozens of times when I was a medical specialist working in the
ER during my time in the army.

Shepherd

madgardener expounded:

I had a moment of clarity at work the other
day, though. I had been asked to completely sweep the back five
aisles of the nursery where the pool chemicals, dog pens, pavers,
FERTILIZERS and WEED AND FEED, fencing stuff, and such are at. Most
people who have been to Lowe's and in the nursery are aware of these
back aisles where the extra stuff is located.

Never mind the weed 'n feed, that's awful stuff (it makes me sick to
breath the fumes!), but the physical dust will definitely make you
feel like you're breathing with two bricks instead of lungs in your
chest! That could be it, along with the exertion of pushing the
broom, you know, we don't use those chest muscles (we must, we must,
we must increase our bust and all!!! G) and if you do work your
chest and pull something, it could feel like something is crushed. Ad
onto that the chemicals, and I'll bet it'd cause some of what your
feeling! I hope that's all it is and that it clears out for you soon!

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

I just want to know what is wrong with me so I can get on with my life
thanks for the concern, Hermine.
maddie


Well, according to HERMINE, there are almost no times when it is OK to
write bad checks. but here are two times when it is OK.
1. paying the vet for some emergency
2. paying the doctor for some emergency

you can always make good later, but you must be given appropriate
treatment NOW. (If you are a living creature in crisis)...the idea
that health care is a LUXURY is disgusting to me).

so far i have never written a bad check deliberately.

but in these instances I would.
It is probably a good thing you spend so much time in the garden since
just plain LIVING is very stressful in our times...

I have actual anxiety, but not anxiety attacks, very different.
however, i know that anxiety attacks can mimic heart attacks, my
father had fake heart attacks all the years I knew him and he lived to
be close to a hundred.

herm

in anxiety attacks the intercostal muscles spasm. this can really really hurt. you
can tell cause if you just press down onto the muscles between the ribs they HURT.
second, I have had that numbish feeling in my arms due to nerve pinch in neck. I
have had shooting pains down my right arm due to nerve pinch starting at neck. so if
you passed the stress test, begin to not worry at all. you may also have had atrial
fibrillation, again, not life threatening if it comes and goes. the summer my mother
had open heart surgery I had fibrillation most of the summer, and not since then.
definitely stress related. Ingrid

madgardener wrote:
including that pinchy, kinda numbish feeling in my arms
like my circulation is being cut off somewhere, the pain though does
get more pressure feeling with physical activity.


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in anxiety attacks the intercostal muscles spasm. this can really
really hurt. you
can tell cause if you just press down onto the muscles between the
ribs they HURT.
second, I have had that numbish feeling in my arms due to nerve pinch
in neck. I
have had shooting pains down my right arm due to nerve pinch starting
at neck. so if
you passed the stress test, begin to not worry at all. you may also
have had atrial
fibrillation, again, not life threatening if it comes and goes. the
summer my mother
had open heart surgery I had fibrillation most of the summer, and not
since then.
definitely stress related.

No qualified medical Doctor (or nurse) would ever attempt to diagnose
via the internet, or even hint that their personal medical history is
applicable to the condition of an unexamined, undiagnosed stranger.

I know Ingrid's and similar posts are well-intentioned but wish people
would stop doing this, for Marilyn's sake. Unqualified people discussing
or suggesting what her symptoms signify, might increase her emotional
anxiety, heighten physical stress, or give her false reassurance. All
three of those have the potential to worsen her situation.

Kind thoughts and best wishes, M.

Janet.

Having been there with the hospital bills I know that you can contact thier
billing department and apply for the hospital charges to be dropped or
significantly reduced. I believe it's called a letter of need or something
like that. I've done it since I am unemployed even though I have insurance
that is paid for by my parents right now. I'm sure the hospital has some
kind of process in place for this kind of situation.

I recently was put in the hospital against my wishes when I went in for my
throat swelling. I made the mistake of saying the words chest and hurt in
the same sentence, and zap, in I went overnight. There are also several
things which will cause chest pain which have nothing to do with the heart.
Sometimes the cartillage in the sternum can be irritated and swell and hurt
like crazy, kind of an arthritis reaction. Also lung spasms can cause a lot
of pain and they can be caused by inhaling fumes or dust or toxins. (Been
there done all this)

Shell


"madgardener" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:41:06 GMT, hermine stover
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 15:29:41 GMT, wrote:

A blood test would indicate whether you had a heart attack. If you had,
you would be
in the hospital now. Doctors do not fool around with heart disease, if
there is
reason to suspect a heart attack they go all out.

that blood test is given in a series of 3, 8 hours apart. i know
doctors do not fool around....but occasionally they overlook stuff,
and i think having to wait until thursday for test results, IS VERY
STRESS-INDUCING!
Anyway, did they rule out the heart attack? if so, HOW?

I hope you are OK, anxiety attacks is very treatable these days. I am
a lifetime veteran from two parents who had them, they are chemical in
origin. or maybe some people just get one or three in a lifetime, but
I personally never met anyone like that....

Let us know about this, i am now STRESSED over it.

hermine

don't stress until I give you reason to sugar. I promise I will let
ya'll know what it is even if it's a shining report and it's all my
stresses. I don't care that I haven't insurance, and the bills coming
from all of this will be laughable. Just that I am still waltzing with
the IRS over all that crap still has me in a sort of amused disgust
and I refuse to let that bug me. (I know it's in the back of my mind,
and it will remain there until they dismiss our case or settle once
again for something, anything, which is why the impending hospital
bills are so funny. They can't come close to what the IRS still says
we owe them despite our refinancing our house in March and paying them
$13,000 and everything that entailed. I'll send 'em $10 a month and
they'll take it or they can drag me thru the ropes......let 'em come!
I just want to know what is wrong with me so I can get on with my life
thanks for the concern, Hermine.
maddie

Not attempting to diagnose, just suggesting other things that might be
checked out by the doctors.

Shell


"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
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from contains these words:

in anxiety attacks the intercostal muscles spasm. this can really
really hurt. you
can tell cause if you just press down onto the muscles between the
ribs they HURT.
second, I have had that numbish feeling in my arms due to nerve pinch
in neck. I
have had shooting pains down my right arm due to nerve pinch starting
at neck. so if
you passed the stress test, begin to not worry at all. you may also
have had atrial
fibrillation, again, not life threatening if it comes and goes. the
summer my mother
had open heart surgery I had fibrillation most of the summer, and not
since then.
definitely stress related.

No qualified medical Doctor (or nurse) would ever attempt to diagnose
via the internet, or even hint that their personal medical history is
applicable to the condition of an unexamined, undiagnosed stranger.

I know Ingrid's and similar posts are well-intentioned but wish people
would stop doing this, for Marilyn's sake. Unqualified people discussing
or suggesting what her symptoms signify, might increase her emotional
anxiety, heighten physical stress, or give her false reassurance. All
three of those have the potential to worsen her situation.

Kind thoughts and best wishes, M.

Janet.

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:58:16 GMT, "Shell91"
wrote:

Not attempting to diagnose, just suggesting other things that might be
checked out by the doctors.

Shell
I was not also playing doctor, just trying to ease the anxiety of the
waiting. My husband had an incident we still call "THE NINE THOUSAND
DOLLAR CUP OF MAALOX"---- a fake heart attack. while he was held
captive in the hospital, he had one of the night nurses fax to me
proposals for garden designs. and then they forgot to discharge him, i
had to go there and yank needles out of his arms, setting off all
kinds of alarms. the doc wrote up the discharge notice, and THEY
FORGOT. he was just trapped in a bed like a lab animal. being billed
for that bed, too.

aside from the ANGST, it was nothing, but he did have impressive chest
pains.

I think the ol'madgardener should noodge the docs for information NOW.
is all i'm sayin'

hermine

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from contains these words:

in anxiety attacks the intercostal muscles spasm. this can really
really hurt. you
can tell cause if you just press down onto the muscles between the
ribs they HURT.
second, I have had that numbish feeling in my arms due to nerve pinch
in neck. I
have had shooting pains down my right arm due to nerve pinch starting
at neck. so if
you passed the stress test, begin to not worry at all. you may also
have had atrial
fibrillation, again, not life threatening if it comes and goes. the
summer my mother
had open heart surgery I had fibrillation most of the summer, and not
since then.
definitely stress related.

No qualified medical Doctor (or nurse) would ever attempt to diagnose
via the internet, or even hint that their personal medical history is
applicable to the condition of an unexamined, undiagnosed stranger.

I know Ingrid's and similar posts are well-intentioned but wish people
would stop doing this, for Marilyn's sake. Unqualified people discussing
or suggesting what her symptoms signify, might increase her emotional
anxiety, heighten physical stress, or give her false reassurance. All
three of those have the potential to worsen her situation.

Kind thoughts and best wishes, M.

Janet.

Long distant diagnoses by qualified doctors using computers has been going
on for quite some time.

Many people live great distances from large hospitals. Doctors have been
experimenting with having EKGs, EEGs, TPR and many other bits of information
on these patients sent to them by way of the internet from small local
clinics for many years now.

According to what I've heard and read in the news, such practices have been
met with great success.

Shepherd