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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:29:07 GMT, Phisherman wrote:
On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:43:47 -0500, Dan Hartung wrote: John A. Keslick, Jr. wrote: The Bushs claim they truly believe in a free nation with freedom of religion. Everyone welcome and treated equal. But wait, unless of course you are gay. Then they say you are not welcome in this country to share benefits of other religions. To fully answer your question, could you post a picture of the Bush? Here's one (and you can change it if you don't like it!)... A change might be good, but the alternatives available might not be much of a change(and if it is a change it might be a change for the worse). |
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"Cindy" expounded:
mothers seeking abortions Now there's an oxymoron for you. Women seeking abortions are not mothers. -- Ann, Gardening in zone 6a Just south of Boston, MA ******************************** |
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"Ann" wrote in message ... "Cindy" expounded: mothers seeking abortions Now there's an oxymoron for you. Women seeking abortions are not mothers. I guess you could make an argument either way depending on your view. I bet that the people I see picketing Planned Parenthood would disagree. |
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Are you saying one can't be a mother, and then later in life seek an abortion?
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"Dan Kaiser" wrote in message ... Are you saying one can't be a mother, and then later in life seek an abortion? With some of the kids in our neighborhood, I think it would be tempting! |
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LOL I was, of course, referring to a subsequent pregnancy.
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"Dan Kaiser" wrote in message ... LOL I was, of course, referring to a subsequent pregnancy. Yes, but if abortion could be retroactive .... |
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"Vox Humana" expounded:
Yes, but if abortion could be retroactive .... I actually knew a guy who described himself as a poster child for abortion ;- -- Ann, Gardening in zone 6a Just south of Boston, MA ******************************** |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:18:42 -0400, Ann wrote:
"Cindy" expounded: mothers seeking abortions Now there's an oxymoron for you. Women seeking abortions are not mothers. Not even if they already have a dozen kids? How would you characterize their relationship to those 12 kids then? |
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You do mean pro-choice. Cause nobody except a few lunatics are pro-abortion. The
term "pro-abortion" was coined by the anti-choice people (mostly white men) who wanted to twist the political language to fit their purpose of taking reproductive choices away from women. I dont like abortion either, my choice and thankfully never had to come up to that choice face to face. Pro-choice people have to often be over the top and strident cause many of the anti-choice people are crazy as hell, including gunning down doctors and threatening women exercising their choice. I live in Milwaukee.... a hot bed of the anti-choice nut cases. Ingrid Ann wrote: A woman losing a wanted pregnancy is nowhere near the same thing as a woman to aborts. And just to clarify (not that it'll stop all you howling pro-abortionists out there) I am totally against laws regulating abortion. I just don't like it and would never do it myself. Personal choice. I realize that's a threat to pro-abortionists, we're all supposed to love it. And to stop your next blast, I'm no christian. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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wrote in message ... You do mean pro-choice. Cause nobody except a few lunatics are pro-abortion. I have heard some pro-abortion advocates lately. Alexander Sanger, the grandson of Margaret Sanger, wrote a book on the subject called "Beyond Choice." I heard an interview with him on the Signorile show on Sirius Radio. He made some good points and didn't appear to be a lunatic. Unless you think that abortion is a moral issue instead of a medical issue, there is no reason to make moralistic judgment about the person who has an abortion. In fact, Sanger argues that a person who chooses an abortion can actually be doing the moral thing for herself, her family, and society. The anti-abortion movement has been wonderfully successful in framing the issue in religious and moralistic terms just as they have turned same-sex marriage into a religious argument instead of a civil rights or legal argument. http://www.alexandersanger.com/book.html |
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 05:18:56 +0100, Janet Baraclough..
wrote: The message from (The Watcher) contains these words: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 06:18:42 -0400, Ann wrote: "Cindy" expounded: mothers seeking abortions Now there's an oxymoron for you. Women seeking abortions are not mothers. Not even if they already have a dozen kids? How would you characterize their relationship to those 12 kids then? Maybe she thinks women whose babies are stillborn are also "not mothers". Reminds me of a guy I work with who thinks that if a father of 10 kids dies and leaves the mother and kids, what's left is no longer a "family". :/ |
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:33:14 GMT, "Vox Humana" wrote:
wrote in message ... You do mean pro-choice. Cause nobody except a few lunatics are pro-abortion. I have heard some pro-abortion advocates lately. Haven't heard any of them advocating bombing anti-choice people or shooting them, though? Alexander Sanger, the grandson of Margaret Sanger, wrote a book on the subject called "Beyond Choice." I heard an interview with him on the Signorile show on Sirius Radio. He made some good points and didn't appear to be a lunatic. Unless you think that abortion is a moral issue instead of a medical issue, there is no reason to make moralistic judgment about the person who has an abortion. In fact, Sanger argues that a person who chooses an abortion can actually be doing the moral thing for herself, her family, and society. The anti-abortion movement has been wonderfully successful in framing the issue in religious and moralistic terms just as they have turned same-sex marriage into a religious argument instead of a civil rights or legal argument. I wouldn't call them wonderfully successful. They're just playing their favorite card, which they try to use in EVERY situation, since they think THEIR religion should control every situation. |
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"Ann" wrote in message ... Janet Baraclough.. expounded: Maybe she thinks women whose babies are stillborn are also "not mothers". Oh, now, that's definitely the same thing. Anything to stretch a point. A woman losing a wanted pregnancy is nowhere near the same thing as a woman to aborts. And just to clarify (not that it'll stop all you howling pro-abortionists out there) I am totally against laws regulating abortion. I just don't like it and would never do it myself. Personal choice. I realize that's a threat to pro-abortionists, we're all supposed to love it. And to stop your next blast, I'm no christian. That is good! I would never want anyone in my family to have an abortion but I am pro-choice. You sound bitter. Richard |
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"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in message ... The message from Ann contains these words: Janet Baraclough.. expounded: Maybe she thinks women whose babies are stillborn are also "not mothers". Oh, now, that's definitely the same thing. Anything to stretch a point. When a less loaded term is used you instantly recognise that despite the death of the unborn child, the person who just gave birth is a mother. Perhaps if more people recognised that, abortion would never be used as backstop contraception. Maybe if people didn't turn a medical procedure into a moralist, judgmental battle it wouldn't be so traumatic. I don't think abortion should be used as a contraceptive method, but only because there are far less invasive methods available. Unfortunately, the very same people who have made the prohibition of abortion their raison d'être also want to ban any discussion of birth control methods, particularly if that discussion takes place in a school. Thank to idiots like George Bush, people are being subjected to the ridiculous "abstinence only" approach to sexuality. So having to use abortion as a method of contraception becomes more likely as does the transmission of disease. Thank you Jesus! |
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