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Anti-Frog People Strike Again
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:11:59 CST, Altum wrote:
That sucks. Out of curiosity, what happens if you can't catch all the frogs? It's nice to have good relationships with neighbors, but it sounds like they're asking for something that's almost impossible. It really does "suck" as frogs have been a big focus in my ponding life. How I got these neighbors, of all people, next to us is beyond me, but oh well. I can't move, and the city backs them. As far as catching the frogs, luckily it is a formal pond, so I can manage it at night they don't see me coming and aren't scared of the flashlight. So I net them right off the surface. These people are just lucky we're not ornery cause next backyard party of theirs my DH could gas up his big old chipper vac. beg ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Anti-Frog People Strike Again
"~ jan" wrote in message ... These people are just lucky we're not ornery cause next backyard party of theirs my DH could gas up his big old chipper vac. beg ~ jan Better still, file a noise complaint. They're disturbing the quiet enjoyment of your frogs. |
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~ jan wrote: On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:41:36 CST, Kurt wrote: Reminds me of an upscale area next to State Park out here in Ventura County. Ranger told me that one wealthy idiot who lives in big bux home has been raising hell with Park Service to get owls removed from park because they keep him up at night. AhMazing! I hope the Ranger laughed. ~ jan She had a good attitude about it, but you know it bothers her. Another story about the same park (Located in Thousand Oaks) When I was hiking around there last Summer, I remarked to the same ranger about the abundance of water in the waterfalls and stream despite it being middle of Summer. Water was fairly stinky in standing water areas. "Yes, all that water comes from lawn and car wash runoff. We spend a lot of time trying to keep the area kids out of the water." -- To reply by email, remove the word "space" |
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Anti-Frog People Strike Again
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:12:10 CST, "drsolo" wrote:
you need to make the case for those frogs holding down the mosquito and fly populations. they are fighting West Nile Virus, etc. Ingrid Oh, I have a story about that: Surprise at My Ponds (6/27/2006) Tuesday morning I stepped out to get the paper to see 2 guys in blue shirts walking off my property with a mosquito dipper in their hands. "WHAT THE H*LL?" I think as I note their truck is parked 3 houses up. "WHAT THE H*LL?" I think again. I was just a tad ticked. Now... many of you will remember my troubles with neighbors who don't appreciate nature, in particular tree frogs mating. To see why they had been on my property without even a courtesy knock, I headed up to where their truck was parked. They see me coming, and it's like, "Oops, we're caught." So they walk back towards me. I ask, "So you guys don't come knock when you come on private property?" "Well, ah, we were just checking the area and noticed your pond and took a quick check." To which I said there was no way they could have "noticed" from the street. So I told them what I thought, that they got a complaint and rather than come talk to me, thinking they were avoiding a confrontation, they got one anyway. Had they come knocked I would have showed them the whole yard and that there are more water holding receptacles on my property than my lily pond to be worried about. Of course they're all safe, between fish, taddies, or Bt. That's when the one guy mentioned it was a yellow tub, one I set up to quarantine a T.lily, that got their attention. The yellow tub can only be seen if you walk right up to the fence, so much for "just noticed it." I think what they did was use the dipper over the fence, BECAUSE the gate is LOCKED. Who'd of thought I'd be keeping out ADULTS!!!! Needless to say, they didn't find anything! (Now that would have been embarrassing!) When I came inside I was still upset, and I had yet to remember my yard being locked, so I was wondering where else had these guys put their little "who knows where it has been" dipper? So I decided to call the Mosquito District and talk to the Manager. I discussed the situation with him, and he told me they should have knocked. He also said they had gotten a complaint in the area, so they were checking the whole neighborhood. I mentioned the situation with my neighbor (I wish I would have added if there are more mosquitos in the neighborhood it is because I had to remove 37 frogs!). He said that my address didn't stick out as one being on the list. I also mentioned the dipper and that *I assumed* they didn't sterilize that between tests? He knew right away I was concerned about cross contamination. So the yellow tub is being drained (no T.lily yet) and sun dried. He did say that they weren't suppose to use that in a residential area, just observe. So shame on them, 2 counts! I guess I'll have to add that to my neighborhood frog letter next year, how I keep the mosquito larva controlled around here. I'm even being so careful as to put dunks in my filter barrels this year. I don't think the water moves enough, the surface looks way too calm for my comfort. After all, I don't want to be bit either! The manager asked how I would rate the mosquitoes this season, and I said they haven't been bad at all this year. Both DH & I have been bit once so far, the boys not at all. I usually put tons of spray or lotion on, and I haven't even been doing that. I've used some, but I tend to have to get bit a couple of times before I'm real good about it. ----- That was the story I sent out to local pond people last year. I wouldn't put it pass these people to complaint about the water falling from the filter to the pond next. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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~ jan wrote:
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:12:10 CST, "drsolo" wrote: you need to make the case for those frogs holding down the mosquito and fly populations. they are fighting West Nile Virus, etc. Ingrid Oh, I have a story about that: Surprise at My Ponds (6/27/2006) Tuesday morning I stepped out to get the paper to see 2 guys in blue shirts walking off my property with a mosquito dipper in their hands. "WHAT THE H*LL?" I think as I note their truck is parked 3 houses up. "WHAT THE H*LL?" I think again. I was just a tad ticked. Now... many of you will remember my troubles with neighbors who don't appreciate nature, in particular tree frogs mating. To see why they had been on my property without even a courtesy knock, I headed up to where their truck was parked. They see me coming, and it's like, "Oops, we're caught." So they walk back towards me. I ask, "So you guys don't come knock when you come on private property?" "Well, ah, we were just checking the area and noticed your pond and took a quick check." To which I said there was no way they could have "noticed" from the street. So I told them what I thought, that they got a complaint and rather than come talk to me, thinking they were avoiding a confrontation, they got one anyway. Had they come knocked I would have showed them the whole yard and that there are more water holding receptacles on my property than my lily pond to be worried about. Of course they're all safe, between fish, taddies, or Bt. That's when the one guy mentioned it was a yellow tub, one I set up to quarantine a T.lily, that got their attention. The yellow tub can only be seen if you walk right up to the fence, so much for "just noticed it." I think what they did was use the dipper over the fence, BECAUSE the gate is LOCKED. Who'd of thought I'd be keeping out ADULTS!!!! Needless to say, they didn't find anything! (Now that would have been embarrassing!) When I came inside I was still upset, and I had yet to remember my yard being locked, so I was wondering where else had these guys put their little "who knows where it has been" dipper? So I decided to call the Mosquito District and talk to the Manager. I discussed the situation with him, and he told me they should have knocked. He also said they had gotten a complaint in the area, so they were checking the whole neighborhood. I mentioned the situation with my neighbor (I wish I would have added if there are more mosquitos in the neighborhood it is because I had to remove 37 frogs!). He said that my address didn't stick out as one being on the list. I also mentioned the dipper and that *I assumed* they didn't sterilize that between tests? He knew right away I was concerned about cross contamination. So the yellow tub is being drained (no T.lily yet) and sun dried. He did say that they weren't suppose to use that in a residential area, just observe. So shame on them, 2 counts! I guess I'll have to add that to my neighborhood frog letter next year, how I keep the mosquito larva controlled around here. I'm even being so careful as to put dunks in my filter barrels this year. I don't think the water moves enough, the surface looks way too calm for my comfort. After all, I don't want to be bit either! The manager asked how I would rate the mosquitoes this season, and I said they haven't been bad at all this year. Both DH & I have been bit once so far, the boys not at all. I usually put tons of spray or lotion on, and I haven't even been doing that. I've used some, but I tend to have to get bit a couple of times before I'm real good about it. ----- That was the story I sent out to local pond people last year. I wouldn't put it pass these people to complaint about the water falling from the filter to the pond next. ~ jan Edit it down and send it to "Letters to the Editor" at your local newspapers, too! Mosquito larvae are good frog food, as you observed. ;-) -- Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ! ~Semper Fi~ |
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Anti-Frog People Strike Again
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:12:42 CST, "drsolo" wrote:
I think some people are miserable and like to spread their misery around. Ingrid We've sure seen that the last couple of years, both in our backyards and usenet. :-( ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Anti-Frog People Strike Again
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:35:32 CST, "G Pearce"
wrote: I find it really hard to believe you net all your frogs and relocate them on an ongoing basis just to appease your snooty neighbours. Have you asked the police or wildlife people if you have any rights in this regard , or has this already been visited by you or your 'neighbour'. Yes, before ever talking to us, even anomalously they went straight to the city attorney and I got "the letter" regarding my "pets". I called the city attorney's office and they laughed. Said that the complaint was a first. Unfortunately the letter, detailing fines,etc. was nothing, imo, to laugh at. At the time I thought it was new neighbors across the way, but it is now obvious who has the problem. If I don't do something about it, I could be fined and even told to fill in the pond as it could be considered as harboring a nuisance animal. If I was an activist I could probably take this all public and make a laughing stock out of my neighbors, but one never knows.... and I'm not willing to risk it. As far as keeping the peace with them, I doubt that's possible. After they get their way on this, they will be bolder with the next complaint. We've already removed a tree for them, it was dropping little olives on their truck, even though he has a huge driveway and could have parked it elsewhere. Then 2-3 months later he sold it! Now a gosh-ugly trailer, always filled with junk is parked in the same location. :-( I'm half tempted to replant another tree. BTW - Didn't your son or sons have a band at one time - how did the neighbour deal with that?? Naaa, that was Kathy's. But if I win the lottery, I may sell cheap to the right LARGE MUSICALLY INCLINED family, must have LOTS of teenagers with noisy cars, etc. In the meantime, we do have one nasty noisy macho chipper we could start up. DH has a BIG maple to take down, so it should be running lots this spring/summer. beg About the time they complain about that, to my husband, well that should be interesting indeed. Since the tree & frogs were my soft spot. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Anti-Frog People Strike Again
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:36:00 CST, "Reel McKoi"
wrote: I'm wondering how Jan's neighbors tolerate the cicadas, birds and crickets of summer?!?!?! We don't have cicadas, so he lucked out there. If only we had them and they came at the same time as frogs so they drown each other out..... They probably put poison out for the crickets as they CAN be as loud as the frogs. About the time they tell me to hush the crickets, I may have to use some foul language I've learned here on usenet. ;-) ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Anti-Frog People Strike Again (going OT)
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:14:13 CST, "G Pearce"
wrote: Anywho - You did a very good job of pre-emptive damage control (probably a little late for Jan) Gale :~) Yea, it is a little hard to sound proof an outdoor pond. Trust me, if I could, I would. ;-) ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Anti-Frog People Strike Again
I am interested that wild frogs are considered your pets...in eco
friendly WA no less. They are wild animals that come and go at their own initiative. It is hard for a city to ban wild animals. I guess, however, that your pond is an attractant. I infer from your post that the city attorney laughed but said the ordinance could in fact be implemented against you. Bummer. Our toads would surely be the problem here, if someone were to complain. The tree frogs are peaceful compared to 'crickets on speed'. Jim |
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Anti-Frog People Strike Again
On Apr 8, 7:43 pm, ~ jan wrote:
As some of you know, I have neighbors that don't like my frogs. This spring I've been vigilant about keeping the population down to no more than 2-3 frogs before I go out and catch them. These neighbors have been gone most of spring break and knowing they would return today I caught all but 1 last night. During the night at least 1 or 2 joined it, which I'll catch tonight. Unfortunately my compromise isn't working. One of the frogs decided to croak during the day and I got "the complaint" e-mail. I was sent: "Once again the noise level is such that it is affecting my ability to sleep at night and to relax during the day and evening." And they HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN THERE!!! And only ONE frog was croaking!!! Not a whole chorus. And that is SO abnormal for them to croak during the day anyway. Needless to say, I no longer find the joy in my frogs thanks to these sh*tty neighbors, so I guess it will be no more frogs for me, if I can prevent them. :-( ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds:www.jjspond.us They are being absolutely unreasonable. Buy them some kind of 'PM' and tell them to grow up. A sound machine in their bedroom could give them the sound THEY want to hear. Your ponds and frogs are part of your 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness', and they need to get real. We all have noise to put up with. I have teens and a father with noisy pickup trucks and cars, and only God knows who is going where at all hours of the night and dark early mornings. Another neighbor works on boats and runs them dry or with a hose and they make a horrible racket, and the latest across the street is a new neighbor who owns a cleanup business and has 4 or 5 trucks parked all over his front lawn and comes and goes at weird hours. But I have never said a word to any of them and will not. Serously, these people are being whiners and thinking the world revolves around them. You can't be expected to keep the frogs out of your ponds, and you have the right to enjoy them. I've never been one to complain about the neighbors or cause fights with them, but I truly feel these people are out of line with their whiney emails. Just my opinion. Nan |
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Anti-Frog People Strike Again
I have asthma. I keep the windows closed and run the air conditioner most
nights even if I open the windows during the day. I dont hear ANYTHING with my windows closed (my house is 120+ yo). however, the ones who complain about noise are the ones who want to keep their windows open all night either because they are too cheap to run the AC or they dont like AC. what may prove useful is some Eau de'skunk sprayed periodically to encourage them to close their windows at night. Ingrid We all have noise to put up with. |
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Anti-Frog People Strike Again
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:24:02 CST, Marco Schwarz
wrote: Hmm.., is this possibly a question of so called "Good neighbourhood"..? Or does it have any *legal* background relating to your *special* location (or situation)..? Hi Marco, If I didn't answer your questions in my other posts, ask again. As I'm not quite sure what you're asking. ~ jan :-) ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:28:33 CST, "Phyllis and Jim"
wrote: I am interested that wild frogs are considered your pets...in eco friendly WA no less. They are wild animals that come and go at their own initiative. It is hard for a city to ban wild animals. I guess, however, that your pond is an attractant. I infer from your post that the city attorney laughed but said the ordinance could in fact be implemented against you. Bummer. Our toads would surely be the problem here, if someone were to complain. The tree frogs are peaceful compared to 'crickets on speed'.Jim Yes, the city would implement, though she said that since the frogs were seasonal, but the time they got to the point of even thinking of a fine, the problem would be gone. Another thing I'm not willing to risk. As of today I've put the small short sided stock tank down by the koi ponds on the other side of my house and plan to turn one of the male loose there, hoping he'll stay and not travel back up to the lily pond. I'll also put eggs in it to start a group that will hopefully returned there. I just can't be happy without frogs in my yard. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:37:48 CST, "Olde Hippee" wrote:
They are being absolutely unreasonable. Buy them some kind of 'PM' and tell them to grow up. A sound machine in their bedroom could give them the sound THEY want to hear. Your ponds and frogs are part of your 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness', and they need to get real. We all have noise to put up with. I have teens and a father with noisy pickup trucks and cars, and only God knows who is going where at all hours of the night and dark early mornings. Another neighbor works on boats and runs them dry or with a hose and they make a horrible racket, and the latest across the street is a new neighbor who owns a cleanup business and has 4 or 5 trucks parked all over his front lawn and comes and goes at weird hours. But I have never said a word to any of them and will not. Serously, these people are being whiners and thinking the world revolves around them. You can't be expected to keep the frogs out of your ponds, and you have the right to enjoy them. I've never been one to complain about the neighbors or cause fights with them, but I truly feel these people are out of line with their whiney emails. Just my opinion. Nan Thanks for the "meeting of the minds", Nan. I fully agree. In fact, I'm thinking I need to save some of these posts and C&P them to the neighbors if I have any more trouble with them. eg Ingrid: Regarding the skunks.... LOL! Only problem, we'd suffer also. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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