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Goldfish dying of heat?
My goldfish pond has had happy fish in it for 4 years now and suddenly I've
had 2 of them die within a week. No signs of disease or trauma...I live in south TX where the temp has averaged 100 lately, I'm wondering if the water is too hot for the poor guys. I know they do best in cooler waters. My plants are fine, lilies blooming, frogs living happily in the water too. Any ideas? Craig |
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Do you provide any additional shade? It helps, although I measurd my ponds temps around the very shallow areas and in some areas the water is in the high 80s to low 90's and it seems to be where most of my koi & GF like to spend the day at rooting. Granted they have cooler water if they elect to go there, but 9 out of 10 times they are in and along the very shalalow edge half in and half out of the water rooting. My wifes half barrel setup gets into the real high 80';s without shade and they fish have always done fine.......Just what temp is your ponds water.......how much water is i the pond? Its unlikely the water will be the same as outside air and may surprise you as to what it really is. Have you checked your waters parameters? Lots of things can kill them and not be very visible, besides temp. On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 00:29:16 GMT, "Emily & Craig Cagle" wrote: ===My goldfish pond has had happy fish in it for 4 years now and suddenly I've ===had 2 of them die within a week. No signs of disease or trauma...I live in ===south TX where the temp has averaged 100 lately, I'm wondering if the water ===is too hot for the poor guys. I know they do best in cooler waters. My ===plants are fine, lilies blooming, frogs living happily in the water too. ===Any ideas? === ===Craig === ============================================== Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked! "The original frugal ponder" ~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o |
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"Emily & Craig Cagle" wrote in message ... My goldfish pond has had happy fish in it for 4 years now and suddenly I've had 2 of them die within a week. No signs of disease or trauma...I live in south TX where the temp has averaged 100 lately, I'm wondering if the water is too hot for the poor guys. I know they do best in cooler waters. My plants are fine, lilies blooming, frogs living happily in the water too. Any ideas? ======================== You don't have a thermometer for your pond? You can get one at HomeDepot for pools for less than $5.00. I'm here hot and sunny middle TN. The water got up to 92 in my 800 gallon pond for several days in a row. It's in full sun most of the day and only partly shaded with water lilies. When it's that hot the fish rest quietly on the bottom under the larger lily. So far no deaths. Can you provide some extra shade over you pond or perhaps add extra aeration during these really hot days? -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. My Pond Page http://tinyurl.com/cuq5b ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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"Emily & Craig Cagle" wrote in message
... My goldfish pond has had happy fish in it for 4 years now and suddenly I've had 2 of them die within a week. No signs of disease or trauma...I live in south TX where the temp has averaged 100 lately, I'm wondering if the water is too hot for the poor guys. I know they do best in cooler waters. My plants are fine, lilies blooming, frogs living happily in the water too. Any ideas? Craig My shade cloth shaded 150 gallon stocktank, my only pond with goldfish, regularly gets to the mid-80s in this Southcentral TX heat. I make sure the fountain runs constantly and the water level stays high. So far my 5 goldfish are doing ok but all are fairly young (less than 3 years old). I had several older goldfish, and one butterfly koi, that committed suicide - I found them on the ground outside the pond - a month or so ago. It wasn't so hot then but we had some nasty thunder and lightning that might have startled them into making fatal leaps. Maybe your two were already a bit weak and the heat stressed them? But shade is definitely a good idea. Home Depot, Lowes, sometimes Wal-Mart, sell shade cloth. You can buy a roll, or some places will sell parts of a roll. If you don't need a lot the latter is a better deal. I don't worry about morning sun, BTW, but I do shade against afternoon sun. Gail near San Antonio TX |
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Craig,
Is it possible that they are low on oxygen. Larger fish require more oxygen in the water than small fish and so the big fish usually die first. You have to remember that as the temperature of the water goes up its capability to hold oxygen goes down. The stiller the water, means that there is no surface exchange of gases and this too can cause low oxygen in the water. My fish are outside and the water temps are in the 80's, but there is moving cascading water and I have a blower running three airstones in the pond. Tom L.L. ------------------------------------------------------ "Emily & Craig Cagle" wrote in message ... My goldfish pond has had happy fish in it for 4 years now and suddenly I've had 2 of them die within a week. No signs of disease or trauma...I live in south TX where the temp has averaged 100 lately, I'm wondering if the water is too hot for the poor guys. I know they do best in cooler waters. My plants are fine, lilies blooming, frogs living happily in the water too. Any ideas? Craig |
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"Gail Futoran" wrote in message news:Zi0ze.394527$cg1.111901@bgtnsc04- Maybe your two were already a bit weak and the heat stressed them? But shade is definitely a good idea. Home Depot, Lowes, sometimes Wal-Mart, sell shade cloth. =================================== None of these stores carry shade cloth here in middle TN. Evidently they don't sell it in all areas. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. My Pond Page http://tinyurl.com/cuq5b ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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My goldfish pond has had happy fish in it for 4 years now and suddenly I've had 2 of them die within a week. No signs of disease or trauma...I live in south TX where the temp has averaged 100 lately, I'm wondering if the water is too hot for the poor guys. I know they do best in cooler waters. The warmer water gets, the harder it is for gasses (including oxygen) to stay dissolved in it. Heat can be a problem... and so can suffocation. One prescription is to make certain the water is circulating at all times; it is particularly helpful to move the bottom water. Heed the other's advice; get a thermometer and a shade canopy. You can make a temporary and cheap shade canopy with PVC construction pipe. If you're looking for something more aesthetic, you might build some kind of trellis that sits between the pond and the southwest. C// |
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"Reel Mckoi" wrote in message
... "Gail Futoran" wrote in message news:Zi0ze.394527$cg1.111901@bgtnsc04- Maybe your two were already a bit weak and the heat stressed them? But shade is definitely a good idea. Home Depot, Lowes, sometimes Wal-Mart, sell shade cloth. =================================== None of these stores carry shade cloth here in middle TN. Evidently they don't sell it in all areas. Bummer! I guess I'll stop complaining about all the things I can't get in Southcentral TX (like snow shovels - don't ask, ok, there's a legit garden use). When I was in NH visiting my sister her local Ace Hardware store was a marvel to visit. (Here they're almost all gone the way of the dinosaurs.) Perhaps a different kind of home improvement/hardware store would carry the cloth. Gail -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. My Pond Page http://tinyurl.com/cuq5b ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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"Gail Futoran" wrote in message ... "Reel Mckoi" wrote in message ... "Gail Futoran" wrote in message news:Zi0ze.394527$cg1.111901@bgtnsc04- Maybe your two were already a bit weak and the heat stressed them? But shade is definitely a good idea. Home Depot, Lowes, sometimes Wal-Mart, sell shade cloth. =================================== None of these stores carry shade cloth here in middle TN. Evidently they don't sell it in all areas. Bummer! I guess I'll stop complaining about all the things I can't get in Southcentral TX (like snow shovels - don't ask, ok, there's a legit garden use). ## A worker at Lowe's told me shade cloth is used mainly by greenhouse owners, it's more a specialty item. They would not have enough call for it. Even the farmers Co-op didn't have it. You'll probably have to "import" snow shovels from NH. :-) Some stores here carry them but we get little snow. When I was in NH visiting my sister her local Ace Hardware store was a marvel to visit. (Here they're almost all gone the way of the dinosaurs.) ## We still have some ACE Hardware stores here. The help is knowledgeable and personal, but the prices are higher than other places. Perhaps a different kind of home improvement/hardware store would carry the cloth. ## We've run out of places to look and call. I'm using old thin and lace window curtains. They're over the pools behind the house where looks don't matter and are working. I had a huge box of them saved from over the years. I'm depending on water volume and water lilies to keep the ponds out front cool enough for the fish. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. My Pond Page http://tinyurl.com/cuq5b ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Thanks for all the feedback. I do have a waterfall and fountain that run
constantly, so I think there is plenty of water being moved. I am honestly an unscientific ponder, in that I don't check water quality and all that...I don't even own the tools to do so. Maybe now a therm. would be a good investment though. And I'll try to find a way to shade the area more. Thanks again Craig |
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If you can't find shade lcoth or other material to provid eshade, Big
Lots, Harbor Freight and Dollar stores etc have large 6 and 9 foot market (patio) umbrellas that can easily be used to provide some shade.....and they cost about $20.00. Just drive a piece of PVC pipe into the ground to provide a means of holding it up....... If your going to keep fish, i would get whats necessary to test the water and temp......At the least a Nitrite, Ammonia and PH test kit. I would put more of a priority on the test kits, than the thrermometer. Heck even a $1.50 floating glas termometer for aquarium use is better than nothing, and all Wal Marts carry them......... Regards On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:52:40 GMT, "Emily & Craig Cagle" wrote: ===Thanks for all the feedback. I do have a waterfall and fountain that run ===constantly, so I think there is plenty of water being moved. I am honestly ===an unscientific ponder, in that I don't check water quality and all that...I ===don't even own the tools to do so. Maybe now a therm. would be a good ===investment though. And I'll try to find a way to shade the area more. ===Thanks again === ===Craig === ============================================== Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked! "The original frugal ponder" ~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o |
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## We've run out of places to look and call. Picked at random: http://www.gemplers.com/keywords/shade-cloth.asp C// |
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"Courageous" wrote in message ... ## We've run out of places to look and call. Picked at random: http://www.gemplers.com/keywords/shade-cloth.asp C// ===================== Hi, and thanks. :-) That's the stuff we'd need. Since we've been burned ordering things online, "sight unseen" I doubt my husband would be happy to order something that way. The old lace curtains are working, they're free, esthetics are not a problem so we'll stick with them for now. I book-marked the site for him to look at anyway. Once we get this larger pond finished then we'll have time to see about making some type of permanent shade "thing" back there. The old tree was doing the job but unfortunately was too close to the house and had to go. -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. My Pond Page http://tinyurl.com/cuq5b ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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"Emily & Craig Cagle" wrote in message .. . Thanks for all the feedback. I do have a waterfall and fountain that run constantly, so I think there is plenty of water being moved. I am honestly an unscientific ponder, in that I don't check water quality and all that...I don't even own the tools to do so. Maybe now a therm. would be a good investment though. And I'll try to find a way to shade the area more. Thanks again ========================== Partial water changes using a dechlorinator are important. You can buy the test kits at any PetLand, SuperPets or PetsMart stores for under $20.00. Good luck! -- McKoi.... the frugal ponder... EVERYONE: "Please check people's headers for forgeries before flushing." NAMES ARE BEING FORGED. My Pond Page http://tinyurl.com/cuq5b ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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