"Judith Lea" wrote in message
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In article , Mike
writes
There are two wonderful version of this in relation to Freemasons. One
version within a Lodge which covers Lodge procedure and another outside
the
Lodge with covers the myth of Secrets!!!

They both came up in one of my Lodges last month :-))

I'm shocked - my family would never post regarding Freemasonry - the
Grand Master would not tolerate such irreverent comment. Furthermore,
it's not done to advertise that one is a Freemason, this is something
that all Freemasons respect and observe.

--
Judith Lea

That might have been true in years gone by but with a continuing decline in
'membership' they 'aint' quite as fussy as they used to be.....perhaps
Freemasons 'should respect and observe' but reality is another thing. If I
be wong I will 'tear out my heart' for my mistake.

I'm shocked - my family would never post regarding Freemasonry - the
Grand Master would not tolerate such irreverent comment. Furthermore,
it's not done to advertise that one is a Freemason, this is something
that all Freemasons respect and observe.

--
Judith Lea

Judith I am afraid you are of the old school who were so secretive about
their Freemasonry, that it was 'their' secrecy which gave the 'secret
society' image.

Freemasonry is now very open and we are encouraged to talk about it,
advertise it and point people who have the wrong image, such as yourself and
I see Sacha has poked her nose in as well to make the point that neither of
you are up to date.

Sorry, but you are both wrong.

Mike
The truth will prevail

I'm shocked - my family would never post regarding Freemasonry - the
Grand Master would not tolerate such irreverent comment. Furthermore,
it's not done to advertise that one is a Freemason, this is something
that all Freemasons respect and observe.

--
Judith Lea


http://www.grandlodge-england.org/ma...reemasonry.htm


Secrecy

The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with its traditional modes of
recognition. It is not a secret society, since all members are free to
acknowledge their membership and will do so in response to enquiries for
respectable reasons. Its constitutions and rules are available to the
public. There is no secret about any of its aims and principles. Like many
other societies, it regards some of its internal affairs as private matters
for its members.

Charity is at the heart of Freemasonry

The three Great Principles by which we stand are Brotherly Love, Relief, and
Truth. Freemasons are taught to practise charity and to care, not only for
their own, but also for the community as a whole, both by charitable giving,
and by voluntary efforts and works as individuals.

From its earliest days, Freemasonry has been concerned with the care of
orphans, the sick and the aged. This work continues today. In addition,
large sums are given to national and local charities.

Masonic charity is exercised at every level, individual Lodges make gifts
and give aid to their own communities and every Province also gives large
sums of money to regional causes. Nationally, our efforts are chanelled
through four main charity organisations, they a

The Grand Charity
The Royal Masonic Trust for Girls and Boys
The Royal Masonic Benevolent Institution
The New Masonic Samaritan Fund


Might I respectfully suggest that if you are both still living in the 20th
Centruy with regards Freemasonry, then you both do a little bit of study and
bring yourselves into the 21st Century.

Don't preach on something you know nothing of the present day workings

Mike
The truth will prevail

Unfortunately, given the intended focus of this group and the irrelevant
posts on Freemasonry, that has to be corrected to 'most Freemasons respect
and observe'. But I agree, I don't know of any Freemason - and I've known
several, including a Grand Master of his Lodge - who would discuss
Freemasonry in this way. I do wonder what Crowe's fellow Masons would
think
of his behaviour.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)


Well to start with you have proved yet again you do not understand
Freemasonry. There is only one Grand Master. A Master of his Lodge is not a
Grand Master.

I will be the Master of one of my Lodges in 2007 and another in 2008. I will
let you know when I am the Master of my 3 Lodge after the Installation of a
new Master on Saturday.

Hope that educates you somewhat

Mike
The truth will prevail

Judith I am afraid you are of the old school who were so secretive about
their Freemasonry, that it was 'their' secrecy which gave the 'secret
society' image.

Freemasonry is now very open and we are encouraged to talk about it,
advertise it and point people who have the wrong image, such as yourself
and
I see Sacha has poked her nose in as well to make the point that neither
of
you are up to date.

Sorry, but you are both wrong.

Mike
The truth will prevail

I do believe sustantial search on the internet will produce all of the so
called secrets...may take some time but they are there.....if that not be
true I will never again shake hands with a thumb of my right hand in a
ceratin place....

snip

Don't preach on something you know nothing of the present day workings

I have just spoken to a Freemason friend and described your 'writings'. He
was *horrified* at your behaviour and the form your remarks about
Freemasonry take. In fact, he asked if you can possibly and genuinely be a
Freemason. Having had a tour of a Temple, and having had some of the
workings of the order explained to me by a Grand Master, I am well aware
that it is less secretive than it used to be. I know, too, that it retains
its self-respect, however!
May I suggest that you take your attempts at self-aggrandisement to another
place altogether and allow people here to discuss gardening, plants and
related matters without the constant drivel about the
fascinating-only-to-himself Life of Crowe.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

--
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"middleton.walker" wrote in message
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Judith I am afraid you are of the old school who were so secretive about
their Freemasonry, that it was 'their' secrecy which gave the 'secret
society' image.

Freemasonry is now very open and we are encouraged to talk about it,
advertise it and point people who have the wrong image, such as yourself
and
I see Sacha has poked her nose in as well to make the point that neither
of
you are up to date.

Sorry, but you are both wrong.

Mike
The truth will prevail

I do believe sustantial search on the internet will produce all of the so
called secrets...may take some time but they are there.....if that not be
true I will never again shake hands with a thumb of my right hand in a
ceratin place....





http://www.grandcharity.org/main.htm

and a bit of a search there will show just how LOCAL people can gain from
their local Freemasons.

One of my Lodges gave £500.00 to one person raising money for a local
scheme. 2 other grants of £100.00 each were made to others.

FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW
If you belong to an organisation and are fund raising for something, a new
Scout Hut, refurbishment of the Church Bells etc etc, but it must be local,
contact your local Freemasons. No you don't have to be a registered chairty,
but it must be recognised in the comunity. Gardening Club want a new hut? or
wanting to take a group of OAP's to Chelsea ot Kew? Your local Freemasons
will assist in the financial efforts if you contact them.

As an example of one thing done here on the Isle of wight, the local amatuer
theatre, The Apollo, were fund raising to buy the building next door and
convert to a Bar and rehearsal rooms. The local Freemasons on the Island, we
had 18 Lodges then, we have another one opened since, put on a Revue. It ran
for 10 days if I remember right. All acts were staged by Freemasons who were
of course, in this 21st century were quite open about membership, and we
raised £10,000. Half, £5,000 went to the Apollo Theatre, the other £5,000.00
went to the Masonic Charities as in the above link.

You either listen to tittle tattle from those who don't know, or listen the
truth and check it out if you have doubts.

Mike
The truth will prevail

I am so sorry that you have been proved wrong yet again and suggest that
ONCE AGAIN you kill file me

Why do you bother???

Mike
The truth will prevail

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"Sacha" wrote in message
.uk...
snip

Don't preach on something you know nothing of the present day workings

I have just spoken to a Freemason friend and described your 'writings'.
He
was *horrified* at your behaviour and the form your remarks about
Freemasonry take. In fact, he asked if you can possibly and genuinely be
a
Freemason. Having had a tour of a Temple, and having had some of the
workings of the order explained to me by a Grand Master, I am well aware
that it is less secretive than it used to be. I know, too, that it
retains
its self-respect, however!
May I suggest that you take your attempts at self-aggrandisement to
another
place altogether and allow people here to discuss gardening, plants and
related matters without the constant drivel about the
fascinating-only-to-himself Life of Crowe.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

"Mike" wrote in message
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--
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"middleton.walker" wrote in message
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Judith I am afraid you are of the old school who were so secretive
about
their Freemasonry, that it was 'their' secrecy which gave the 'secret
society' image.

Freemasonry is now very open and we are encouraged to talk about it,
advertise it and point people who have the wrong image, such as
yourself
and
I see Sacha has poked her nose in as well to make the point that
neither
of
you are up to date.

Sorry, but you are both wrong.

Mike
The truth will prevail

I do believe sustantial search on the internet will produce all of the so
called secrets...may take some time but they are there.....if that not be
true I will never again shake hands with a thumb of my right hand in a
ceratin place....





http://www.grandcharity.org/main.htm

In the USA some of the very finest of Hospital Burn Centres are Masonic and
free.

"Mike" wrote in message
...

The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with its traditional modes of
recognition. It is not a secret society, since all members are free to
acknowledge their membership and will do so in response to enquiries for
respectable reasons.

Then why have a secret handshake?

--
Brian
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin

http://www.grandcharity.org/main.htm

In the USA some of the very finest of Hospital Burn Centres are Masonic
and
free.




and in this country, many mini busses and aids to hospitals and hospices are
funded and supplied by the Masonic Order.

It really annoys me that some people STILL air their views which are so
wrong and so damaging, which in turn, damages those around them who could do
with the help the Local Freemasons are more than willing to provide.

Let's hope that Sacha HAS kill filed me and doesn't make any more stupid
unfounded and so damaging statements

Mike
The truth WILL prevail

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"Brian Watson" wrote in message
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"Mike" wrote in message
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The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with its traditional modes of
recognition. It is not a secret society, since all members are free to
acknowledge their membership and will do so in response to enquiries for
respectable reasons.

Then why have a secret handshake?

A little word called tradition. But it is readily available to all on the
internet of you are SO interested.

Mike
The truth will prevail

--
Brian
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin

--
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"martin" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:44:18 +0000 (UTC), "Mike"
wrote:



Unfortunately, given the intended focus of this group and the
irrelevant
posts on Freemasonry, that has to be corrected to 'most Freemasons
respect
and observe'. But I agree, I don't know of any Freemason - and I've
known
several, including a Grand Master of his Lodge - who would discuss
Freemasonry in this way. I do wonder what Crowe's fellow Masons would
think
of his behaviour.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)


Well to start with you have proved yet again you do not understand
Freemasonry. There is only one Grand Master. A Master of his Lodge is not
a
Grand Master.

I will be the Master of one of my Lodges in 2007 and another in 2008. I
will
let you know when I am the Master of my 3 Lodge after the Installation of
a
new Master on Saturday.

but Sacha is only creating a smoke screen to hide that she really is
the Grand Master. The leather apron she wears when pruning is a dead
give away.
--
Martin

Not doing a very good job of propoting the good work and word then is she?
:-((

Mike
The truth will prevail

".

but Sacha is only creating a smoke screen to hide that she really is
the Grand Master. The leather apron she wears when pruning is a dead
give away.
--
Martin

Betcha it is not a very big one tho

--
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"middleton.walker" wrote in message
. ..

".

but Sacha is only creating a smoke screen to hide that she really is
the Grand Master. The leather apron she wears when pruning is a dead
give away.
--
Martin

Betcha it is not a very big one tho



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