On 8/12/06 10:20, in article
, "Cat(h)"
wrote:


Farm1 wrote:
"Cat(h)" wrote in message
Farm1 wrote:

Would anyone like to have a go at putting on screen how they
pronouce
tinus?

IMHO every language has its own bias in pronoucing latin words - and
seen as latin is no longer a spoken language, there is only a very
limited ability to provide a "correct" benchmark.

Yep, agreed. I know that from my own (limited) attempts to learn
Latin.


Having said all that, how do you pronounce "tinus"?

I would say teenus - just don't ask me why :-)
BTW, I would say Vayebernem, too, because I've been here just *too*
long, and only got interested in gardening since becoming a full-time
anglophone :-)

I'm puzzled by the Vayeburnum thing. We pronounce it Veyeburnum tyenus,
though I'm sure 'teenus' is correct, thinking of the Latin pronunciation of
'i'. Or do you mean 'aye' as in 'aye aye sir'? ;-)
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

Sacha wrote:
On 8/12/06 10:20, in article
, "Cat(h)"
wrote:


Farm1 wrote:
"Cat(h)" wrote in message
Farm1 wrote:

Would anyone like to have a go at putting on screen how they
pronouce
tinus?

IMHO every language has its own bias in pronoucing latin words - and
seen as latin is no longer a spoken language, there is only a very
limited ability to provide a "correct" benchmark.

Yep, agreed. I know that from my own (limited) attempts to learn
Latin.


Having said all that, how do you pronounce "tinus"?

I would say teenus - just don't ask me why :-)
BTW, I would say Vayebernem, too, because I've been here just *too*
long, and only got interested in gardening since becoming a full-time
anglophone :-)

I'm puzzled by the Vayeburnum thing. We pronounce it Veyeburnum tyenus,
though I'm sure 'teenus' is correct, thinking of the Latin pronunciation of
'i'. Or do you mean 'aye' as in 'aye aye sir'? ;-)

I do... eye is indeed a better spelling to convey the intended
phonetics.

And at the risk of repeating myself, I would not get too excited about
what is "correct" and "incorrect" pronounciation. Not too many native
speakers about to put us straight on that one... Surely, for a
horticulturalist, or indeed a pedestrian such as I, the most important
thing is to get the name of the plant right.

For some obscure reason, this reminds me of the priceless passage in
the Life of Brian, when the roman centurion punishes Brian for his poor
latin grammar when grafiting "Romans go Home"

T'must be Friday.

Cat(h)

"Cat(h)" wrote in message
s.com...

Sacha wrote:
On 8/12/06 10:20, in article
, "Cat(h)"
wrote:


Farm1 wrote:
"Cat(h)" wrote in message
Farm1 wrote:

Would anyone like to have a go at putting on screen how they
pronouce
tinus?

IMHO every language has its own bias in pronoucing latin words - and
seen as latin is no longer a spoken language, there is only a very
limited ability to provide a "correct" benchmark.

Yep, agreed. I know that from my own (limited) attempts to learn
Latin.


Having said all that, how do you pronounce "tinus"?

I would say teenus - just don't ask me why :-)
BTW, I would say Vayebernem, too, because I've been here just *too*
long, and only got interested in gardening since becoming a full-time
anglophone :-)

I'm puzzled by the Vayeburnum thing. We pronounce it Veyeburnum tyenus,
though I'm sure 'teenus' is correct, thinking of the Latin pronunciation
of
'i'. Or do you mean 'aye' as in 'aye aye sir'? ;-)

I do... eye is indeed a better spelling to convey the intended
phonetics.

And at the risk of repeating myself, I would not get too excited about
what is "correct" and "incorrect" pronounciation. Not too many native
speakers about to put us straight on that one... Surely, for a
horticulturalist, or indeed a pedestrian such as I, the most important
thing is to get the name of the plant right.

For some obscure reason, this reminds me of the priceless passage in
the Life of Brian, when the roman centurion punishes Brian for his poor
latin grammar when grafiting "Romans go Home"

T'must be Friday.

Cat(h)

It is Friday. Did we decide how to pronounce Garage. Most folk round here
pronounce it Garidge-but the Cynthia Bucket lot say Ga rhaj.

Rupert (W.Yorkshire) wrote:
It is Friday. Did we decide how to pronounce Garage. Most folk round here
pronounce it Garidge-but the Cynthia Bucket lot say Ga rhaj.

I'm a bit schizophrenic on that one. Most of the locals here say
garidge, and I sometimes revert to type and say garahj (not so much the
Bucket as the Dupont in me).
I was going to say that it is Hiacynth, not Cynthia, Bucket and then it
struck me that one is the mirror image of the other.

It definitely *is* Friday.

Cat(h)

On 8/12/06 12:33, in article
, "Cat(h)"
wrote:


Rupert (W.Yorkshire) wrote:
It is Friday. Did we decide how to pronounce Garage. Most folk round here
pronounce it Garidge-but the Cynthia Bucket lot say Ga rhaj.

I'm a bit schizophrenic on that one. Most of the locals here say
garidge, and I sometimes revert to type and say garahj (not so much the
Bucket as the Dupont in me).
I was going to say that it is Hiacynth, not Cynthia, Bucket and then it
struck me that one is the mirror image of the other.

It definitely *is* Friday.

Cat(h)

Jilly Cooper's very funny book 'Class' says that the upper classes and
working classes have more in common than either has with the middle class.
One of those things is the pronunciation of the place you park your car and
both says 'garidj'. And neither give a damn what others think of them ;-)
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

In article , Sacha writes:
|
| Jilly Cooper's very funny book 'Class' says that the upper classes and
| working classes have more in common than either has with the middle class.
| One of those things is the pronunciation of the place you park your car and
| both says 'garidj'. And neither give a damn what others think of them ;-)

Not to say that both are damn near extinct nowadays!


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 8/12/06 14:05, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote:


In article , Sacha
writes:
|
| Jilly Cooper's very funny book 'Class' says that the upper classes and
| working classes have more in common than either has with the middle class.
| One of those things is the pronunciation of the place you park your car and
| both says 'garidj'. And neither give a damn what others think of them ;-)

Not to say that both are damn near extinct nowadays!

I think the lines are a lot more blurred than they were but it's surprising
how vituperative people can be about how others speak, the newspapers they
read, the sort of school they went to etc. In some ways, class is still
alive and kicking in UK but a lot of it seems to be based on jealousy or
perhaps, insecurity, IMO.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

"JennyC" wrote in message
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
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"Gill Matthews" account I no longer have
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Oh! Ours seems to have gone into hibernation in the palais de
hedgehog we
constructed for it

What does a hedgehog palace look like?

http://tinyurl.com/yf8kjp
or http://www.schwegler-nature.com/Hedgehog/index.htm


The Australian Echidna also has a spiny back and is a marsupial which
I think is pretty much unique to this region of the world. So what
family of animals does a hedgehog belong to?

=Erinaceinae from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedgehog

We occasionally get a hedgehog here in our city garden :~))


Yes something like the second pic and stuffed with confidential shreddings.
We would have used leaves but the bloody things didn't fall off the trees
until the torrential rain started when they came down in wet papier mache
format which didn't seem suitable. BTW we are thinking about transplanting
the Hedgehog to the allotment because our garden is small and traversing
between gardens is difficult round here because of the high brick walls
between them. We think the hedge hog got in the first place climbing up a
plank left by the builders. Does any one have any knowledge/experience of
hedgehog transplant?

Gill M

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
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"Gill Matthews" wrote after
"Alan Holmes" wrote after
"Gill Matthews" wrote after..
"Bob Hobden" wrote after
"Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote after
"cineman"
Now back to gardening, here in West Midlands last night the
temperature climbed to 14 degrees C now for time of year that is
positively tropical. Global warming would be welcome if it wasnt for
the High blustery winds we have had for several days now,
Cineman


Agreed. As from now it looks like we will be discusing the onset of
the first High winds rather than the first frosts.
It's all rather daft at the moment--Bananas still growing outside in
December--in Bloomin Yorkshire.

and Hedgehogs still eating the cats leftover breakfast.

Oh! Ours seems to have gone into hibernation in the palais de hedgehog
we constructed for it

I haven't seen a hedgehog here for years.

Here being Windsor!

well we are just down the road in Caversham

I'm a lot nearer to Windsor than that, about 5 miles downstream, and we
always have some around.

We used to have them, I have some photos of the hedgehogs eating the food
put out for the cats, but over the years they have just stopped coming here,
I'd blame the tree rats, but somehow I can't see them being responsible!

Alan


--
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
...
"Cat(h)" wrote in message
Farm1 wrote:

Would anyone like to have a go at putting on screen how they
pronouce
tinus?

IMHO every language has its own bias in pronoucing latin words - and
seen as latin is no longer a spoken language, there is only a very
limited ability to provide a "correct" benchmark.

Yep, agreed. I know that from my own (limited) attempts to learn
Latin.

Hence, anglophones will pronouced Viburnum "Vaybernem", while an
frog
such as yours truly would say "Veeburnum" (french narrow u). This
is
because "i" can sound like "aye" in English in certain positions
within
words, while "i" will never be pronounced that way. Similarly, the
French would not naturally pronounce "u" like "ou", though when we
are
taugh latin, we are taught that u in latin is to be pronounced ou.
We
are also told that c is hard in all cases (if memory serves me
right),
which it is not in French, etc.
Sorry if this sounds a little confused: the point I am making is
that
while there may be some official pronounciation standard for latin,
it
often falls down in the face of the person's own language bias.

For those reasons, i have limited patience for those who try to
correct
one-another in their pronounciation of what is after all a dead
language :-)

Having said all that, how do you pronounce "tinus"?

tynus!

Alan

"Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote in message

. Did we decide how to pronounce Garage. Most folk round here
pronounce it Garidge-but the Cynthia Bucket lot say Ga rhaj.

Oztraylians also say Ga Raj.

"Sacha" wrote in message
...

Jilly Cooper's very funny book 'Class' says that the upper classes
and
working classes have more in common than either has with the middle
class.
One of those things is the pronunciation of the place you park your
car and
both says 'garidj'. And neither give a damn what others think of
them ;-)

And both classes can swear like a bunch of drunken bullock drivers.

On 9/12/06 05:39, in article
, "Farm1"
please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

"Sacha" wrote in message
...

Jilly Cooper's very funny book 'Class' says that the upper classes
and
working classes have more in common than either has with the middle
class.
One of those things is the pronunciation of the place you park your
car and
both says 'garidj'. And neither give a damn what others think of
them ;-)

And both classes can swear like a bunch of drunken bullock drivers.


But of course!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

JennyC writes

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
...
"Gill Matthews" account I no longer have
wrote in message

Oh! Ours seems to have gone into hibernation in the palais de
hedgehog we
constructed for it

What does a hedgehog palace look like?

http://tinyurl.com/yf8kjp
or http://www.schwegler-nature.com/Hedgehog/index.htm


The Australian Echidna also has a spiny back and is a marsupial which
I think is pretty much unique to this region of the world. So what
family of animals does a hedgehog belong to?

=Erinaceinae

Erinaceidae (note spelling) is the hedgehog family ;-)

Order Insectivora, which also includes mole, desman and shrew families.
--
Kay