In message , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
writes

"Robert" wrote in message
...

Sacha & La Puce

You really would both do a great service to urg if you would take your
interminable disagreements to email.

--
Robert

I don't mind at all but if there is a thread that annoys me I can just mark
it to be ignored. You should be able to do the same with Turnpike?


Turnpike does have this facility but I am sure that you would agree that
it would be more pleasant by far for the majority of the denizens of urg
if both Sacha and La Puce could resist the apparent temptation to wind
each other up at every opportunity - it achieves nothing and eventually
devalues the often useful advice that we know they are both capable of
providing.
--
Robert

Crowe wrote:

Might I respectfully suggest that your rather disgusting posting has no
place on urg.

Ah so your obnoxious and vindictive attacks are acceptable, whilst
someone else's rather accurate assessment of your sad disposition is
not? Well, Mr. So-called 'Sailor' with a failed web-site, I rather
think he has a point.

Sacha Hubbard has a very severe 'Superiority Complex' which really needs
treatment.

And you have a revolting tendency to harass and insult which needs
termination!

There is no place on these newsgroups for such an attitude.

There is no place in this newsgroup for you. You are an vile and
utter waste of time and space. A malingering obnoxious and sad old
man with an inability to do anything other than spread bile and venom
in order to qualify your questionnable existence. Crowe you are the
epitome of supra-low life. You fall into the category of those sick
folk around who derive immense pleasure form bullying behind computer
screens.

She
would do wise to take a leaf from my book, "Equal to all, superior to none".
That way you treat and talk to everyone as an equal.

Take a leaf out of your own book then you turd. On that basis you
ezhibit the most profound level of hypocrisy.

Go away old man, you are not wanted here, you have nothing to
contribute and have never added anything of value here. You're a
useless **** and nothing else.

"Dave Poole" wrote in message
oups.com...


My word :-))

Dave Poole did give a raring old outburst and no doubt feels a lot better
for it. :-))

Pour yourself a cup of tea now I should.

Kind regards

Mike


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www.nsrafa.com

And while I'm in the mood, attackers get attacked so ....

I sent a detailed and lengthy response to Puce's earlier posting
addressing me. Somehow it disappeared into the ether so I'll have
another go....:

The only 'clinging climbing' rosemary I have seen in England is the
rosmarinus prostratus either named Blue Rain or Jackman's. Indeed
these have been named by someone, but the plant is still the same one
I have seen.

Erm ... 'Blue Rain' is *not* the same as 'Jackman's Prostrate'.
'Blue Rain' is comparatively
compact and does not expand to the degree that
' the plant in Sacha's pic suggests.

Giving it the right situation it does. Mine did climb over a wall and
went down the other side. I am indeed looking forward to finding out
what it is.

So you don't know what you've got then. You've not seen 'Jackman's
Prostrate' because:

1) From your own postings it is clear that you weren't aware of its
origin. You only managed to latch on to it properly when Charlie
mentioned it might be the one in the Burncoose car park and at the
time there was no certainty that it was the same as the variety they
have labelled as 'Jackman's Prostrate'. Before that you didn't even
know the full correct name.

2) You seem to be mixing 'Blue Rain' with 'Jackman's Prostrate' and
by your own admission do not know which is which. Make your mind up
woman you are becoming somewhat tiresome.

why do you persist in this nonsense?

It is not nonsense and you know it. You could have certainly pointed
out that Sacha was rude at my first responce especially when I was
right regarding Jackman's.

Now why do you think that Sacha's original response to you was
robust? Could it not have been to do with the fact that your past
behaviour towards her has been utterly disreputable and offensive?
No? Well look back upon your postings for the past year. You're a
total disgrace to this newsgroup!

You however will never admit to this since
she's a pal of yours.

Oh really. Well, Sacha and Ray are indeed good friends so what? It
doesn't detract from the despicable way that you've been maligning her
and several others in recent months. I couldn't blame Sacha or anyone
else for being off-hand with you and your venomous tongue. In nearly
10 years of being on URG, I can't think of anyone else who has
persistently caused so much disruption and division as you. You are
utterly deplorable.

Puce, you're digging yourself into a hole.

Why would I do this? Giving me a speech on latin names and following
this by reminding me that names change?

Firstly, I have not given you a 'speech' (I think you mean lesson) on
latin names. Nor did I remind you that names change. You interrupted
comments I made about the ease with which plant names can be either
invented or become mixed up in the nursery trade. They weren't
directed at you. If they were, you'd have bloody well known about it
lady.

You are talking to a half
Italian and half French woman Dave! Who are you kidding?

Just what on earth are you wittering on about now? How does your
nationality, split or otherwise relate to this thread? What matters
is the subject in hand. Your parentage is irrelevant.

I would never try to fool anyone nor participate in an id
when I simply don't know...

Like when you confuse 'Blue Rain' with a variety that you've not seen?

but when I do identify plants it's because I have a sure idea, and I
get bitten by trying to find out - and usually I get it right.

OK so let's see. Your suggestions for this super low growing, wide-
spreading variety we

'Tuscan Blue' - To 1.8m high with distinctly upright growth.
'Primley Blue' - To 1m+ and again upright.
'Benenden' - Sprawling, about 50cms. + with upright shoots.
'Corsican Blue' - Wide spreading, but up to 80cms. high
'Fota Blue' - Dense upright growth to 50cms high and 1m. across.
'McConnells' Blue' - To 40cms+ spreading to 1-1.5m across.
and finally ....
'Blue Rain' - Compact growth to 40cms.high spreading to 1 - 1.3m

None of the above remotely resemble Sacha's original description.
Funnily enough, Sacha said the same!

It's my
favourite pass time, especially herbs and wild flowers. Not so expert
as you on glasshouse and exotic plants. I don't either reply to posts
regarding subjects I simply don't know about.

Well I don't, but in view of the above and other postings you've made
in other threads, I'm not so sure about you.
Exotics are an especial interest for me, but my background is in
mainstream horticulture and I've been around for long enough to know
that the kind of absolute assertions you've made are extremely
foolhardy.

maybe the true identity of this Rosemary will eventually emerge.

Indeed and I bet you it will not be 'Barcelona' )

There's one thing for sure, no-one especially you, knows what it
really is. However, if Olivier Filippi declares it to be 'Barcelona',
then it's a near certainty. Your claims and protestations against
that have no bearing whatsoever.

On 23 Feb 2007 12:09:56 -0800, Dave Poole wrote:

There is no place in this newsgroup for you. You are an vile and
utter waste of time and space. A malingering obnoxious and sad old
man with an inability to do anything other than spread bile and venom
in order to qualify your questionnable existence. Crowe you are the
epitome of supra-low life. You fall into the category of those sick
folk around who derive immense pleasure form bullying behind computer
screens.

Agreed.

I'm a long time lurker - I've not posted here for many years but Crowe is
sick sick sick and I can't keep quiet any longer :-( Go away Crowe and let
this group get back to normal !!

Come back Andy Mabbett - all is forgiven.
--
Regards,

Hugh Jampton

On 23/2/07 20:51, in article ,
"Hugh Jampton" wrote:

On 23 Feb 2007 12:09:56 -0800, Dave Poole wrote:

There is no place in this newsgroup for you. You are an vile and
utter waste of time and space. A malingering obnoxious and sad old
man with an inability to do anything other than spread bile and venom
in order to qualify your questionnable existence. Crowe you are the
epitome of supra-low life. You fall into the category of those sick
folk around who derive immense pleasure form bullying behind computer
screens.

Agreed.

I'm a long time lurker - I've not posted here for many years but Crowe is
sick sick sick and I can't keep quiet any longer :-( Go away Crowe and let
this group get back to normal !!

Come back Andy Mabbett - all is forgiven.

It would be good to see Andy here again. I really do hope he'll return to
urg.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

Dave Poole wrote:

Go away old man, you are not wanted here, you have nothing to
contribute and have never added anything of value here. You're a
useless **** and nothing else.

Wow!

For someone so habitually mild and well mannered as you Dave, it is clear
your cage has been well and truly rattled!

BTW I agree with every word!

pk

In article , K
writes


I can remember a similar conversation on sexual dimorphism with a
weevil specialist ;-)


Surely that was just an informal chat?


--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

On 24/2/07 12:00, in article , "Janet Tweedy"
wrote:

In article , K
writes


I can remember a similar conversation on sexual dimorphism with a
weevil specialist ;-)


Surely that was just an informal chat?



But *very* friendly. ;-))

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

In article , Sacha
writes

When we next go to Scilly, we'll head to Burncoose and get R. Jackman's
Prostrate, raise some cuttings and send some on to Olivier to trial against
R. Barcelona, too.


Don't plants have the same dna identities as animals? Couldn't they take
a sample and then compare it to what the experts THINK it is?

What does the RHS say?
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

On 25/2/07 11:20, in article , "Janet Tweedy"
wrote:

In article , Sacha
writes

When we next go to Scilly, we'll head to Burncoose and get R. Jackman's
Prostrate, raise some cuttings and send some on to Olivier to trial against
R. Barcelona, too.


Don't plants have the same dna identities as animals? Couldn't they take
a sample and then compare it to what the experts THINK it is?

They probably could but I don't know what that would cost or if the answer
would be definitive, given the wide range of rosemaries that there are.

What does the RHS say?

No idea. I haven't asked them but to be honest, even they have their
limitations as our unknown Lonicera shows. And we have a Passiflora which
David is as sure as can be is the 'lost' P. John Innes but another expert
disagrees. Ditto another Passiflora we have. It's a complex matter if you
go into it in depth as the current thread discussing taxonomy shows.
Personally, I'm pinning my hopes on the owners of the house in Salcombe
remembering where they got it and if possible, the name. They are immensely
keen gardeners and buy plants from all over the place, so my hopes may have
to go unfulfilled! I know they had it in their old house so my guess is
that they might have had it for 12 or 15 years.
I'll send the photos to RHS but like the other nurseries, I think ID from a
photo is going to be terribly difficult. OTOH, once we have some slightly
more mature plants, we could send one up to them and let them trial it.
Tim Longville is probably going to do an article on this Salcombe garden, so
he might be able to shed some light on the matter.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

In article , Sacha
writes

No idea. I haven't asked them but to be honest, even they have their
limitations as our unknown Lonicera shows. And we have a Passiflora which
David is as sure as can be is the 'lost' P. John Innes but another expert
disagrees. Ditto another Passiflora we have. It's a complex matter if you
go into it in depth as the current thread discussing taxonomy shows.
Personally, I'm pinning my hopes on the owners of the house in Salcombe
remembering where they got it and if possible, the name. They are immensely
keen gardeners and buy plants from all over the place, so my hopes may have
to go unfulfilled! I know they had it in their old house so my guess is
that they might have had it for 12 or 15 years.
I'll send the photos to RHS but like the other nurseries, I think ID from a
photo is going to be terribly difficult. OTOH, once we have some slightly
more mature plants, we could send one up to them and let them trial it.
Tim Longville is probably going to do an article on this Salcombe garden, so
he might be able to shed some light on the matter.



This will sound stupid probably Sacha but might Jekka McVicar know?

Janet
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

On 28/2/07 11:40, in article , "Janet Tweedy"
wrote:

In article , Sacha
writes

No idea. I haven't asked them but to be honest, even they have their
limitations as our unknown Lonicera shows. And we have a Passiflora which
David is as sure as can be is the 'lost' P. John Innes but another expert
disagrees. Ditto another Passiflora we have. It's a complex matter if you
go into it in depth as the current thread discussing taxonomy shows.
Personally, I'm pinning my hopes on the owners of the house in Salcombe
remembering where they got it and if possible, the name. They are immensely
keen gardeners and buy plants from all over the place, so my hopes may have
to go unfulfilled! I know they had it in their old house so my guess is
that they might have had it for 12 or 15 years.
I'll send the photos to RHS but like the other nurseries, I think ID from a
photo is going to be terribly difficult. OTOH, once we have some slightly
more mature plants, we could send one up to them and let them trial it.
Tim Longville is probably going to do an article on this Salcombe garden, so
he might be able to shed some light on the matter.



This will sound stupid probably Sacha but might Jekka McVicar know?

Janet

No, it's not stupid. And coincidence strikes again, because the person who
brought us the Hermodactylus tuberosa is a friend of hers. Next time she's
here I'll ask her to talk to JMcV about it.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

In message , Sacha
writes
On 28/2/07 11:40, in article , "Janet Tweedy"
wrote:

In article , Sacha
writes

No idea. I haven't asked them but to be honest, even they have their
limitations as our unknown Lonicera shows. And we have a Passiflora which
David is as sure as can be is the 'lost' P. John Innes but another expert
disagrees. Ditto another Passiflora we have. It's a complex matter if you
go into it in depth as the current thread discussing taxonomy shows.
Personally, I'm pinning my hopes on the owners of the house in Salcombe
remembering where they got it and if possible, the name. They are immensely
keen gardeners and buy plants from all over the place, so my hopes may have
to go unfulfilled! I know they had it in their old house so my guess is
that they might have had it for 12 or 15 years.
I'll send the photos to RHS but like the other nurseries, I think ID from a
photo is going to be terribly difficult. OTOH, once we have some slightly
more mature plants, we could send one up to them and let them trial it.
Tim Longville is probably going to do an article on this Salcombe garden, so
he might be able to shed some light on the matter.



This will sound stupid probably Sacha but might Jekka McVicar know?

Janet

No, it's not stupid. And coincidence strikes again, because the person who
brought us the Hermodactylus tuberosa is a friend of hers. Next time she's
here I'll ask her to talk to JMcV about it.

You could do it yourself. She doesn't bite. The telephone number is on
the web-site.
--
June Hughes