In article
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harry wrote:
They fequently say that prison doesn't work and doesn't deter
re-offending. I've always wondered that even if prison doesn't work
for many of those incarcerated, do long sentences deter those that
have never been in trouble from getting into a life of crime in the
first place?

I could make prison work.

Quite amazing the confidence some have in their abilities.

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On Jan 24, 5:22*pm, "'Mike'" wrote:
"Bill Grey" wrote in message

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"Cynic" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:06:23 +0000, Frank Erskine
wrote:

Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power
is
essential, backup should be provided.

Hospitals always (?) have standby alternators, but what about, for
example, renal dialysis machines used in private homes? Or all these
type of things battery powered nowadays? Indeed, are such things used
at all now? :-)

Do you seriously believe that any sensible person would arrange things
so that their very life depended on the mains power not failing over a
protracted time? *If so, perhaps they are more eligible for the
"Darwin award" than the people in question.

All electrically operated life-support machines invariably have an
alternate power source that will switch in automatically in the event
of a mains failure.

Dream on!

Bill
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Cynic

Bill the emphasis is on "electrically operated life-support machines". Maybe
not in your home but in hospitals, .. yes. At Sea as well. I have been very
heavily involved in the Marine Electrical Design business and I know that
the "Back up"" power supply is paramount. Not talking of the fun yachts
swanking around the Med chasing the sun and flashing boobs here and there,
but real maritime stuff.

But the real problem is that these people DO NOT take the generators
they take cable.
If the cable is missing your generators are useless.

or think of it this way you have a fridge freezer and a geezer comes
in cuts off teh plug,
and takes teh cable from your freezer, so all you have left is your
freezer and a 3 pin plug,
how will a generator restore power to the freezer, this is the problem
when they remove
cable from track, having another gernertor doesn;t solve the problem
of someone removing
100s of feet of copper.
Of course if the cable is live then ther's a chance that person
remopving it might get killed leaving the cable in place.



Ask me

Mike

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I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight..

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On Jan 24, 5:43*pm, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo ,
Clive George escribió:

Don't talk shite. Nobody is saying that there should be no punishment,
only that the death penalty is inappropriate.

The death penalty was self-inflicted in this case. *Quite a different
matter from wishing to impose the death penalty on someone.

That could be the answer then, have a sign saying if you want to be
killed, cut here :-)


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On 25/01/2012 10:56, whisky-dave wrote:
On Jan 24, 5:22 pm, wrote:
"Bill wrote in message

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wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:06:23 +0000, Frank Erskine
wrote:

Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power
is
essential, backup should be provided.

Hospitals always (?) have standby alternators, but what about, for
example, renal dialysis machines used in private homes? Or all these
type of things battery powered nowadays? Indeed, are such things used
at all now? :-)

Do you seriously believe that any sensible person would arrange things
so that their very life depended on the mains power not failing over a
protracted time? If so, perhaps they are more eligible for the
"Darwin award" than the people in question.

All electrically operated life-support machines invariably have an
alternate power source that will switch in automatically in the event
of a mains failure.

Dream on!

Bill
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Cynic

Bill the emphasis is on "electrically operated life-support machines". Maybe
not in your home but in hospitals, .. yes. At Sea as well. I have been very
heavily involved in the Marine Electrical Design business and I know that
the "Back up"" power supply is paramount. Not talking of the fun yachts
swanking around the Med chasing the sun and flashing boobs here and there,
but real maritime stuff.

But the real problem is that these people DO NOT take the generators
they take cable.
If the cable is missing your generators are useless.

or think of it this way you have a fridge freezer and a geezer comes
in cuts off teh plug,
and takes teh cable from your freezer, so all you have left is your
freezer and a 3 pin plug,
how will a generator restore power to the freezer, this is the problem
when they remove
cable from track, having another gernertor doesn;t solve the problem
of someone removing
100s of feet of copper.
Of course if the cable is live then ther's a chance that person
remopving it might get killed leaving the cable in place.



Ask me

Mike

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I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight.

...................................


And your forked tongue is purely for self protection? :-)

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On Jan 24, 8:18*pm, The Grey Man wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:42:39 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

All burglaries and assaults should result in an automatic custodial
sentence.

Bill

Of course you're right.

Alas, HMG keeps bellyaching on about how our prisons are full and
overcrowded.

It doesn't seem to occur to them to build some more.

Who's paying for this ?


Or privatise the whole shooting match.

Wasn;t the escape of teh catogory A prisoner yesterday in stafford
from a
private security company.


It's almost as if they want criminals out on the streets............

handy for taser practice, maybe it should be an olympic sport.

On Jan 24, 8:35*pm, Clive George wrote:
On 24/01/2012 19:42, Bill Wright wrote:

The simple answer to the ballooning costs of the prisons would be to
take the tellys out of the cells, turn the heating down to 18deg, and
link food provided to work done. That way the prison population would
soon reduce.

You'll be somebody who doesn't know that putting telly in cells is about
reducing hassle and hence, not about providing a cushy environment for a
prisoner. A population doped up to the eyeballs with daytime telly is
rather more docile than one otherwise.

Capital punishment is one thing, but do you relly think it's
acceptable to make prisoners watch episodes of 2 1/2 men or Jermy K.
as punishment ;-)

"Janet" wrote in message
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In article , says...

They are like rats amongst us, with the morality of rats, sub-human,

where have we heard that before..

I wasn't around in the '30s and '40s, but there are films from then.

"harry" wrote in message
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Do you feel the same way about a criminal who drives his car at 45 MPH
in a 40 MPH limit? It could result in death. Even parking in a
no-parking area could result in death. Do you therefore similarly
wish death on drivers who break the speed limit, and people with
parking infringements?

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Cynic

If they kill someone then yes.

Why should someone that is speeding and has a child run out and get killed
be treated differently to a speeder who doesn't have a child run out? The
crime is the same only the outcome is different. The difference is not under
the control of the driver and is an easily foreseen circumstance. They are
equally guilty.

"harry" wrote in message
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I could make prison work.

Prison does work, prisoners don't offend against the public while they are
locked up.
All you need to do is keep the re-offenders in there.

In article om,
dennis@home wrote:
Prison does work, prisoners don't offend against the public while they are
locked up.

All you need to do is keep the re-offenders in there.

It costs more than simply giving them a reasonable amount of money to live
on outside. Which makes it poor value for those paying the bills - ie the
taxpayer.

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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:25:07 +0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

I can give you an actual example of the problems. My parents' next-door
neighbour suffered from emphysema. He spent his final years at home,
hooked up to a machine that fed him oxygen enriched air. If the power
failed, the battery would last only a short time and the back-up was
bottled oxygen, which would also work if the machine failed in any other
way. However, he was physically unable to turn the oxygen bottle on by
himself. His wife very rarely spent more than a very short time out of
the house because of this, but had to take a chance occassionally. At
one stage she dared not leave the house at all for a fortnight, as cable
TV was being put in through the area and they had twice hit power cables
- without her there, this could have killed him.

If his wife particularly *needed* to leave him for longer than the
battery would last, she would undoubtedly arrange for a more robust
backup system. If such events were rare, that backup could consist of
merely asking a reliable neighbour to check on him every hour or so.
If it was a frequent requirement, then I am sure that a backup system
could have been fitted that would not require manual intervention.

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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:02:09 -0000, "Bill Grey"
wrote:

All electrically operated life-support machines invariably have an
alternate power source that will switch in automatically in the event
of a mains failure.

Dream on!

I can assure you it is far from a dream. The only life support
machines that are not designed with such a backup are those that are
meant to be used exclusively in an environment where immediate human
backup is available at all times.

I would not even risk important *data* to the possibility of a mains
power failure, but arrange for a UPS and other failsafe measures. I
can assure you that if any of my family or friends' lives depended on
the operation of an electric machine, I would ensure that their lives
would not be ended as a result of a power cut. YMMV

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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:22:10 -0000, "'Mike'"
wrote:

All electrically operated life-support machines invariably have an
alternate power source that will switch in automatically in the event
of a mains failure.

Dream on!

Bill

Bill the emphasis is on "electrically operated life-support machines". Maybe
not in your home but in hospitals, .. yes.

It is *especially* true in the case of life support machines designed
to be used at home. Hospitals will always have staff on hand to
manually operate a ventilator etc. should the power fail, but the
designer of a life-support machine meant for home use cannot rely on
the fact that someone with the necessary knowlege will be on hand
within minutes in the event of a power cut, and so the design of
backup systems and fail-safe failure modes is even more important.

Any domestic life support machine that is designed so that it would
kill the patient in the event of a mains power outage would not be fit
for purpose.

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Cynic

On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:13:54 +0000, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=AEi=A9ardo?=
wrote:

Do you feel the same way about a criminal who drives his car at 45 MPH
in a 40 MPH limit? It could result in death. Even parking in a
no-parking area could result in death.

Please cite a few examples.

Such imaginary scenarios are as easy to dream up as the imaginary
scenarios in this thread of a cable thief causing deaths.

A children's home is on fire. 136 children are trapped on the top
floor. The fire engine is delayed by 4.27 minutes due to a car being
double-parked on the access road. The delay results in 22 children
dying who would otherwise have been rescued.

You really want me to invent another few imaginary scenarios?

Heck, I could come up with a situation in which opening a window
caused the death of 100 people.

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Cynic

On Jan 25, 11:38*am, "dennis@home"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message

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I could make prison work.

Prison does work, prisoners don't offend against the public while they are
locked up.
All you need to do is keep the re-offenders in there.

Burying them works too.