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Metal theft. The biters bit
In article
, harry wrote: They fequently say that prison doesn't work and doesn't deter re-offending. I've always wondered that even if prison doesn't work for many of those incarcerated, do long sentences deter those that have never been in trouble from getting into a life of crime in the first place? I could make prison work. Quite amazing the confidence some have in their abilities. -- *This message has been ROT-13 encrypted twice for extra security * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
On Jan 24, 5:22*pm, "'Mike'" wrote:
"Bill Grey" wrote in message ... "Cynic" wrote in message news:4f1ec554.867732609@localhost... On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:06:23 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote: Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power is essential, backup should be provided. Hospitals always (?) have standby alternators, but what about, for example, renal dialysis machines used in private homes? Or all these type of things battery powered nowadays? Indeed, are such things used at all now? :-) Do you seriously believe that any sensible person would arrange things so that their very life depended on the mains power not failing over a protracted time? *If so, perhaps they are more eligible for the "Darwin award" than the people in question. All electrically operated life-support machines invariably have an alternate power source that will switch in automatically in the event of a mains failure. Dream on! Bill -- Cynic Bill the emphasis is on "electrically operated life-support machines". Maybe not in your home but in hospitals, .. yes. At Sea as well. I have been very heavily involved in the Marine Electrical Design business and I know that the "Back up"" power supply is paramount. Not talking of the fun yachts swanking around the Med chasing the sun and flashing boobs here and there, but real maritime stuff. But the real problem is that these people DO NOT take the generators they take cable. If the cable is missing your generators are useless. or think of it this way you have a fridge freezer and a geezer comes in cuts off teh plug, and takes teh cable from your freezer, so all you have left is your freezer and a 3 pin plug, how will a generator restore power to the freezer, this is the problem when they remove cable from track, having another gernertor doesn;t solve the problem of someone removing 100s of feet of copper. Of course if the cable is live then ther's a chance that person remopving it might get killed leaving the cable in place. Ask me Mike ................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight.. ................................... |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
On Jan 24, 5:43*pm, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Clive George escribió: Don't talk shite. Nobody is saying that there should be no punishment, only that the death penalty is inappropriate. The death penalty was self-inflicted in this case. *Quite a different matter from wishing to impose the death penalty on someone. That could be the answer then, have a sign saying if you want to be killed, cut here :-) -- *(\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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On 25/01/2012 10:56, whisky-dave wrote:
On Jan 24, 5:22 pm, wrote: "Bill wrote in message ... wrote in message news:4f1ec554.867732609@localhost... On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:06:23 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote: Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power is essential, backup should be provided. Hospitals always (?) have standby alternators, but what about, for example, renal dialysis machines used in private homes? Or all these type of things battery powered nowadays? Indeed, are such things used at all now? :-) Do you seriously believe that any sensible person would arrange things so that their very life depended on the mains power not failing over a protracted time? If so, perhaps they are more eligible for the "Darwin award" than the people in question. All electrically operated life-support machines invariably have an alternate power source that will switch in automatically in the event of a mains failure. Dream on! Bill -- Cynic Bill the emphasis is on "electrically operated life-support machines". Maybe not in your home but in hospitals, .. yes. At Sea as well. I have been very heavily involved in the Marine Electrical Design business and I know that the "Back up"" power supply is paramount. Not talking of the fun yachts swanking around the Med chasing the sun and flashing boobs here and there, but real maritime stuff. But the real problem is that these people DO NOT take the generators they take cable. If the cable is missing your generators are useless. or think of it this way you have a fridge freezer and a geezer comes in cuts off teh plug, and takes teh cable from your freezer, so all you have left is your freezer and a 3 pin plug, how will a generator restore power to the freezer, this is the problem when they remove cable from track, having another gernertor doesn;t solve the problem of someone removing 100s of feet of copper. Of course if the cable is live then ther's a chance that person remopving it might get killed leaving the cable in place. Ask me Mike ................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. ................................... And your forked tongue is purely for self protection? :-) -- Bod |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
On Jan 24, 8:18*pm, The Grey Man wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:42:39 +0000, Bill Wright wrote: All burglaries and assaults should result in an automatic custodial sentence. Bill Of course you're right. Alas, HMG keeps bellyaching on about how our prisons are full and overcrowded. It doesn't seem to occur to them to build some more. Who's paying for this ? Or privatise the whole shooting match. Wasn;t the escape of teh catogory A prisoner yesterday in stafford from a private security company. It's almost as if they want criminals out on the streets............ handy for taser practice, maybe it should be an olympic sport. |
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On Jan 24, 8:35*pm, Clive George wrote:
On 24/01/2012 19:42, Bill Wright wrote: The simple answer to the ballooning costs of the prisons would be to take the tellys out of the cells, turn the heating down to 18deg, and link food provided to work done. That way the prison population would soon reduce. You'll be somebody who doesn't know that putting telly in cells is about reducing hassle and hence, not about providing a cushy environment for a prisoner. A population doped up to the eyeballs with daytime telly is rather more docile than one otherwise. Capital punishment is one thing, but do you relly think it's acceptable to make prisoners watch episodes of 2 1/2 men or Jermy K. as punishment ;-) |
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"Janet" wrote in message ... In article , says... They are like rats amongst us, with the morality of rats, sub-human, where have we heard that before.. I wasn't around in the '30s and '40s, but there are films from then. |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
"harry" wrote in message ... Do you feel the same way about a criminal who drives his car at 45 MPH in a 40 MPH limit? It could result in death. Even parking in a no-parking area could result in death. Do you therefore similarly wish death on drivers who break the speed limit, and people with parking infringements? -- Cynic If they kill someone then yes. Why should someone that is speeding and has a child run out and get killed be treated differently to a speeder who doesn't have a child run out? The crime is the same only the outcome is different. The difference is not under the control of the driver and is an easily foreseen circumstance. They are equally guilty. |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
"harry" wrote in message ... I could make prison work. Prison does work, prisoners don't offend against the public while they are locked up. All you need to do is keep the re-offenders in there. |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
In article om,
dennis@home wrote: Prison does work, prisoners don't offend against the public while they are locked up. All you need to do is keep the re-offenders in there. It costs more than simply giving them a reasonable amount of money to live on outside. Which makes it poor value for those paying the bills - ie the taxpayer. -- *Life is hard; then you nap Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:25:07 +0000, Steve Walker
wrote: I can give you an actual example of the problems. My parents' next-door neighbour suffered from emphysema. He spent his final years at home, hooked up to a machine that fed him oxygen enriched air. If the power failed, the battery would last only a short time and the back-up was bottled oxygen, which would also work if the machine failed in any other way. However, he was physically unable to turn the oxygen bottle on by himself. His wife very rarely spent more than a very short time out of the house because of this, but had to take a chance occassionally. At one stage she dared not leave the house at all for a fortnight, as cable TV was being put in through the area and they had twice hit power cables - without her there, this could have killed him. If his wife particularly *needed* to leave him for longer than the battery would last, she would undoubtedly arrange for a more robust backup system. If such events were rare, that backup could consist of merely asking a reliable neighbour to check on him every hour or so. If it was a frequent requirement, then I am sure that a backup system could have been fitted that would not require manual intervention. -- Cynic |
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:02:09 -0000, "Bill Grey"
wrote: All electrically operated life-support machines invariably have an alternate power source that will switch in automatically in the event of a mains failure. Dream on! I can assure you it is far from a dream. The only life support machines that are not designed with such a backup are those that are meant to be used exclusively in an environment where immediate human backup is available at all times. I would not even risk important *data* to the possibility of a mains power failure, but arrange for a UPS and other failsafe measures. I can assure you that if any of my family or friends' lives depended on the operation of an electric machine, I would ensure that their lives would not be ended as a result of a power cut. YMMV -- Cynic |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:22:10 -0000, "'Mike'"
wrote: All electrically operated life-support machines invariably have an alternate power source that will switch in automatically in the event of a mains failure. Dream on! Bill Bill the emphasis is on "electrically operated life-support machines". Maybe not in your home but in hospitals, .. yes. It is *especially* true in the case of life support machines designed to be used at home. Hospitals will always have staff on hand to manually operate a ventilator etc. should the power fail, but the designer of a life-support machine meant for home use cannot rely on the fact that someone with the necessary knowlege will be on hand within minutes in the event of a power cut, and so the design of backup systems and fail-safe failure modes is even more important. Any domestic life support machine that is designed so that it would kill the patient in the event of a mains power outage would not be fit for purpose. -- Cynic |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:13:54 +0000, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=AEi=A9ardo?=
wrote: Do you feel the same way about a criminal who drives his car at 45 MPH in a 40 MPH limit? It could result in death. Even parking in a no-parking area could result in death. Please cite a few examples. Such imaginary scenarios are as easy to dream up as the imaginary scenarios in this thread of a cable thief causing deaths. A children's home is on fire. 136 children are trapped on the top floor. The fire engine is delayed by 4.27 minutes due to a car being double-parked on the access road. The delay results in 22 children dying who would otherwise have been rescued. You really want me to invent another few imaginary scenarios? Heck, I could come up with a situation in which opening a window caused the death of 100 people. -- Cynic |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
On Jan 25, 11:38*am, "dennis@home"
wrote: "harry" wrote in message ... I could make prison work. Prison does work, prisoners don't offend against the public while they are locked up. All you need to do is keep the re-offenders in there. Burying them works too. |
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