On 23/01/2012 10:00, larkim wrote:
On Jan 22, 6:57 pm, The Grey wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC),

(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
sorry for them.

Are you for real?

He's humane. How can you triumph in the death of these people? Do
you know their backstories? Do you know if they'd done this before?
Do you know if they were doing it because someone was threatening
their children / wife / family? No, you don't.

And nor do you.

It sickens me when
people gloat about the death of anyone. These men had the same human
value as you and I.

NO they didn't! They had total contempt for any form of human value.

Even if there is no sob story behind their lives,
they were just in it to make some quick money, and had no family that
cared about them there is no reason to gloat.

"No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the
Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a
manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes
me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know
for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee." John Donne.

Matt


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On 21/01/2012 17:31, 'Mike' wrote:


"David in Normandy" wrote in message
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On 20/01/2012 23:04, Nigel Oldfield wrote:
On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
Not for the faint hearted this one!
http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0

Gotta sting.



Bet it came as a shock.

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An electrifying experience?

Mike



Well, that's good enough for the current thread.

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On Jan 23, 2:41*pm, ®i©ardo wrote:
people gloat about the death of anyone. *These men had the same human
value as you and I.

NO they didn't! They had total contempt for any form of human value.

Wow. A petty criminal has "total contempt for any form of human
value". I really hope I don't know you in the physical world outside
usenet.

They were nicking some metal. They weren't torturing people.

They may well have had total contempt for everybody else's personal
wealth, but no human value. You sicken me.

Matt

On 23/01/2012 13:05, charles wrote:
In ,
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:33:24 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

in my school days (1950s), the Meter was a unit of length, too.

I can see that if you attended an American or
American-funded/influenced school, but the metre was standard spelling
in the UK back then.

no - it was very British - but I suppose our physics text books might have
been American - but I doubt it since they dealt with the cgs system (which
the American had probably never hear of)


No, it was American! I too attended school in the fifties and grew up
with millimetres, centimetres, metres and kilometres - including the
correct pronunciation of the last one!

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On 21/01/2012 22:26, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In ,
Steve writes:
On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
Not for the faint hearted this one!
http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0


Judging by the dried foam on his head

Remains of their hats

and the fire spread,

Extent of the plasma arc path across the surface of the ground - a
self-sustaining fire is unlikely

it looks as
if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency
services arrived.

They will have stood back and watched, until assured by the electric
company that the power was off, and attendance at site of electric
company personel to test it really is off.

I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in
a warning campaign to deter metal thieves.

They never do, in case someone is offended.
You could say the same for car/motorbike crashes, etc.
It would probably help significantly if teenagers understood
how fragile their bodies are by actually seeing what happens
to bodies in a crash before they were allowed to control a
vehicle on the road, but that would be politically unacceptable,
so they are let loose at a time in their lives where they are
under a complete misapprehension of being indestructable.


Surely that is one of the joys of youth when you can be convinced of
your own immortality.

It's part of the learning process - sometimes ending in death -
Darwinism in action.

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On 23/01/2012 14:51, larkim wrote:
On Jan 23, 2:41 pm, wrote:
people gloat about the death of anyone. These men had the same human
value as you and I.

NO they didn't! They had total contempt for any form of human value.

Wow. A petty criminal has "total contempt for any form of human
value". I really hope I don't know you in the physical world outside
usenet.

They were nicking some metal. They weren't torturing people.

They may well have had total contempt for everybody else's personal
wealth, but no human value. You sicken me.

Matt


They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain, with a
total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety or well-being.

I hope I never meet you in the real world.

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In article ,
®i©ardo wrote:
They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain, with a
total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety or
well-being.

How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly didn't
care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.

Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want dramatics.

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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
®i©ardo wrote:
They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain, with a
total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety or
well-being.

How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly didn't
care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.

Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want dramatics.

No power, no phone service, no signalling on roads and railways, no
train services (etc). No, I simply can't see how the disruption of any
of these services could possible put lives at risk.
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On Jan 23, 10:00*am, larkim wrote:
On Jan 22, 6:57*pm, The Grey Man wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC),

(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
sorry for them.

Are you for real?

He's humane. *How can you triumph in the death of these people? *Do
you know their backstories? *Do you know if they'd done this before?
Do you know if they were doing it because someone was threatening
their children / wife / family? *No, you don't. *It sickens me when
people gloat about the death of anyone. *These men had the same human
value as you and I.

Are youo really sure about that ?
What makes you think they wouldnb;t slit yuort through for teh price
of a copper wire ?
Theer's only one thing we can be sure of and that is they will nbever
reoffend.


*Even if there is no sob story behind their lives,
they were just in it to make some quick money, and had no family that
cared about them there is no reason to gloat.

Maybe not gloat but what if they;'d caused an accident pileup or
servre delays.
What if that delay meant someone dying because a surgeon didn;t get to
the hospital or time
or everyone else gets delayed because they want to make some quick
money.


"No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the
Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a
manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes
me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know
for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee." John Donne.

I'd say they were on the short list for the Darwin awards.


Matt

On 23/01/2012 16:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain, with a
total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety or
well-being.

How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly didn't
care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.


How do you KNOW otherwise? Suppose they had got away with it, leaving a
live wire exposed to the elements and passers by...

Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want dramatics.


....or even red herrings.

Please show here I have suggested "hanging and flogging". Perhaps I was
merely marvelling at Darwinism in action. They would seem to have been
the architects of their own destiny and I, for one, see no reason to
shed a tear for their passing.

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On Jan 23, 1:05*pm, charles wrote:
In article ,
* wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:33:24 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:
in my school days (1950s), the Meter was a unit of length, too.
I can see that if you attended an American or
American-funded/influenced school, but the metre was standard spelling
in the UK back then.

no - it was very British - but I suppose our physics text books might have
been American - but I doubt it since they dealt with the cgs system (which
the American had probably never hear of)

I thought it went back to anglo-saxon times no fogeting centre,
honour.
I heaqrd that jeffersons original document of teh declaration of
independence
had teh spelliong honour, but it was later changed to honor.


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In article ,
®i©ardo wrote:
On 23/01/2012 16:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain,
with a total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements, safety
or well-being.

How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly didn't
care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief does?
What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them and flog them
brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.


How do you KNOW otherwise? Suppose they had got away with it, leaving a
live wire exposed to the elements and passers by...

You're supposing - again.

Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want
dramatics.


...or even red herrings.

Please show here I have suggested "hanging and flogging". Perhaps I was
merely marvelling at Darwinism in action. They would seem to have been
the architects of their own destiny and I, for one, see no reason to
shed a tear for their passing.

Of course not. Didn't think you were human.

Let me sum it up. You don't care if someone lives or dies because they
have done something you disapprove of.

But expect that same person to be worried about others?

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Huge wrote:
On 2012-01-22, Bill Grey wrote:

Nowadays, owners of dangerous equipment
such as high voltage overhead lines or underground cables, have to
protect the offenders agianst their own stupidity.

Not in my world. Stupidity is a capital offence.

So that dennis in death row then.

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Adam

Janet wrote:

In article 9e3a51ee-83ea-4b24-b742-0ca865077ac3
@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com, says...

Once you get a certain number of scum loose in any society, it will
fail.

Well, we don't all take the same view on who are the scum tearing
society apart.

Janet

Nicely put.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
®i©ardo wrote:
On 23/01/2012 16:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
They were putting other people's lives at risk for personal gain,
with a total contempt for anyone else's needs, requirements,
safety or well-being.

How do you know they were putting lives at risk? They certainly
didn't care about anyone other than themselves - but what thief
does? What's far more worrying is the self righteous hang them
and flog them brigade. As if they never ever broke the law.


How do you KNOW otherwise? Suppose they had got away with it,
leaving a live wire exposed to the elements and passers by...

You're supposing - again.

After the supposition his family were starving, it compares as a milder
point.


Just remember - speeding puts other's life at risk. If you want
dramatics.


...or even red herrings.

Please show here I have suggested "hanging and flogging". Perhaps I
was merely marvelling at Darwinism in action. They would seem to
have been the architects of their own destiny and I, for one, see
no reason to shed a tear for their passing.

Of course not. Didn't think you were human.

Let me sum it up. You don't care if someone lives or dies because they
have done something you disapprove of.

But expect that same person to be worried about others?

He would not be the same person if he worried about others, would he?

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