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Metal theft. The biters bit
On 24/01/2012 16:08, Cynic wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 14:40:20 +0000, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=AEi=A9ardo?= wrote: Your attitude seems to be: "F*ck the thousands of innocent people who potentially suffer because of attacks of wanton vandalism and theft such as these, it is far better that they do so than the guilty be punished in any way - even if it be by their own stupidity". Considering that the police investigation that is the result of the deaths will delay the repair compared with the situation if the thieves had got away, ISTM that it is *you* who doesn't care about the increase to the disruption so long as the thieves suffer bad consequences. Don't be such a silly boy, that is not what I have said. They bring these things upon themselves and they bring about the disruption which requires police involvement. Of course such disruption is inconveniencing and annoying to everybody. If the consequences of their acts are that they injure or kill themselves, so be it, it is self-inflicted. Nothing I can say or do will change that, however I don't see that I should feel guilty for lacking in sympathy for such people. -- Moving things in still pictures |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
On 24/01/2012 16:20, Clive George wrote:
On 24/01/2012 14:40, ŽiŠardo wrote: On 24/01/2012 12:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article366dnc6WufS2CIPSnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@giganews. com, wrote: Of course not. Didn't think you were human. Well, given your twisted outlook on life that's hardly surprising. Let us praise and nurture the wrong-doers, because it would be unjust to to do otherwise, even if everyone else suffers as a result of their actions. If it's a twisted outlook on life hoping a petty thief doesn't get killed for whatever reason I'm happy to be 'twisted'. Those who want the ultimate penalty for such things rarely stop there, given the chance. But then you're obviously too thick to work this out. Your attitude seems to be: "F*ck the thousands of innocent people who potentially suffer because of attacks of wanton vandalism and theft such as these, it is far better that they do so than the guilty be punished in any way - even if it be by their own stupidity". Don't talk shite. Nobody is saying that there should be no punishment, only that the death penalty is inappropriate. Nobody wished it upon them, it was totally self-inflicted, they weren't forced to do it. Darwinism in action, out of everyone's hands except their own. -- Moving things in still pictures |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
On 24/01/2012 17:17, Bob Eager wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 12:52:38 +0000, Ian wrote: wrote in message ... On 23/01/2012 20:48, hugh wrote: In , 'Mike' writes "David in wrote in message r... On 20/01/2012 23:04, Nigel Oldfield wrote: On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Gotta sting. Bet it came as a shock. -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. An electrifying experience? Mike Enough to make your hair stand on end :-( Re-VOLT-ing! I bet his brain hertz........ Ohm I God. Well, there have to be some positive points about all this. -- Moving things in still pictures |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
En el artículo 4f1ed84a.872587234@localhost, Cynic
escribió: Do you therefore similarly wish death on drivers who break the speed limit, and people with parking infringements? Nice straw man. -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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In article ,
ŽiŠardo wrote: As you may be aware, there are penalties available for exceeding the speed limit, as there are for illegal parking regardless or whether an accident ensues, such penalties being more severe when an accident occurs for the reason stated. Never having received such a penalty in nearly fifty years of driving, however, I'll be guided by those who obviously have fallen foul of the law. You may think it a good idea to kill speeding drivers, but I'll keep an open mind on it. last year on a road near here, a car left the road, hit a tree and killed the 2 occupants. A lot of bleating about the road being unsafe, inadequately marked, etc. Facts: 1.the car was shown to have been travelling at well over the 40mph speed limit - Volvo estates generally stand up well to this sort of impact 2. The occupants were aged 16 & 14 - far too young to be driving legally. 3. They'd just left the home of relatives who must have known their age How did they get the car (belonging to their father) in the first place? -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 |
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En el artículo ,
Clive George escribió: Don't talk shite. Nobody is saying that there should be no punishment, only that the death penalty is inappropriate. The death penalty was self-inflicted in this case. Quite a different matter from wishing to impose the death penalty on someone. -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
En el artículo
roups.com, harry escribió: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Pictures no longer showing, can anyone point me at another source please? -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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"charles" wrote in message ... In article , ŽiŠardo wrote: As you may be aware, there are penalties available for exceeding the speed limit, as there are for illegal parking regardless or whether an accident ensues, such penalties being more severe when an accident occurs for the reason stated. Never having received such a penalty in nearly fifty years of driving, however, I'll be guided by those who obviously have fallen foul of the law. You may think it a good idea to kill speeding drivers, but I'll keep an open mind on it. last year on a road near here, a car left the road, hit a tree and killed the 2 occupants. A lot of bleating about the road being unsafe, inadequately marked, etc. Facts: 1.the car was shown to have been travelling at well over the 40mph speed limit - Volvo estates generally stand up well to this sort of impact 2. The occupants were aged 16 & 14 - far too young to be driving legally. 3. They'd just left the home of relatives who must have known their age How did they get the car (belonging to their father) in the first place? -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 When my Father started to teach me to drive, in 1954, he said to me, "Remember, the most dangerous nut in a car, is the nut behind the wheel" Mike -- .................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. .................................... |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
You also should consider the difference between setting out to kill someone and the possible result of a simple theft. Thank you Mr Spart. But the vast majority of people, those who have decent common-sense values, will have no truck with your apologist drivel. These nasty little criminals are totally selfish. They don't care what effect their actions have on others. They are not a part of society because they have opted out, so why should society bend over backwards to accommodate them? They break into the homes of good hard-working people, make a phenomenal mess, shit on the carpet, and smash the place up. They buy and sell drugs, thus ruining millions of lives. They steal a tenner's worth of copper despite the fact that the cost per affected household to repair the damage is often hundreds of pounds. They are like rats amongst us, with the morality of rats, sub-human, leaving their filthy trail of oudure everywhere. The cost to the rest of us in terms of heartbreak when homes are burgled, inconvenience, and money spent of jails and the police is astronomic. So you can't expect decent people to show them much consideration in return. The judicial system has failed us thanks to being watered down by lefties over the years, so decent people can only think that the more of the little scumbags that kill themselves the better off the rest of us will be. The simple answer to the ballooning costs of the prisons would be to take the tellys out of the cells, turn the heating down to 18deg, and link food provided to work done. That way the prison population would soon reduce. All burglaries and assaults should result in an automatic custodial sentence. Bill |
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:42:39 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote: All burglaries and assaults should result in an automatic custodial sentence. Bill Of course you're right. Alas, HMG keeps bellyaching on about how our prisons are full and overcrowded. It doesn't seem to occur to them to build some more. Or privatise the whole shooting match. It's almost as if they want criminals out on the streets............ |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
On 24/01/2012 10:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In , Frank wrote: Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power is essential, backup should be provided. Hospitals always (?) have standby alternators, but what about, for example, renal dialysis machines used in private homes? Or all these type of things battery powered nowadays? Indeed, are such things used at all now? :-) If home dialyse - or anything else like that - is such that it must be carried out at a specific time, it would be sensible to have a standby source of electricity. I can give you an actual example of the problems. My parents' next-door neighbour suffered from emphysema. He spent his final years at home, hooked up to a machine that fed him oxygen enriched air. If the power failed, the battery would last only a short time and the back-up was bottled oxygen, which would also work if the machine failed in any other way. However, he was physically unable to turn the oxygen bottle on by himself. His wife very rarely spent more than a very short time out of the house because of this, but had to take a chance occassionally. At one stage she dared not leave the house at all for a fortnight, as cable TV was being put in through the area and they had twice hit power cables - without her there, this could have killed him. Now it would have been terrible if this had killed him, but faults mistakes and accidents do happen; how much worse if he had died through a totally avoidable, deliberate and totally mindless criminal act. Despite all the bile spouted here, you're more likely to have an 'ordinary' power cut than one caused by cable theft. Most power cuts from my (suburban) experience have been deliberate (70s strikes or maintenence) in which case there is prior notice (especially for medical users) or faults, that usually come back on very quickly. Other than strikes, we have never experienced loss of power of even one hour during forty-odd years! Cable thefts can knock out power for days. Thefts also often involve the substation neutral/earth links and can cause large voltage swings, resulting in damage to electronic equipment; total failure; and fires. SteveW |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
"'Mike'" wrote in message ... "Bill Grey" wrote in message ... "Cynic" wrote in message news:4f1ec554.867732609@localhost... On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 00:06:23 +0000, Frank Erskine wrote: Power cuts can and do happen without cables being nicked. If that power is essential, backup should be provided. Hospitals always (?) have standby alternators, but what about, for example, renal dialysis machines used in private homes? Or all these type of things battery powered nowadays? Indeed, are such things used at all now? :-) Do you seriously believe that any sensible person would arrange things so that their very life depended on the mains power not failing over a protracted time? If so, perhaps they are more eligible for the "Darwin award" than the people in question. All electrically operated life-support machines invariably have an alternate power source that will switch in automatically in the event of a mains failure. Dream on! Bill -- Cynic Bill the emphasis is on "electrically operated life-support machines". Maybe not in your home but in hospitals, .. yes. At Sea as well. I have been very heavily involved in the Marine Electrical Design business and I know that the "Back up"" power supply is paramount. Not talking of the fun yachts swanking around the Med chasing the sun and flashing boobs here and there, but real maritime stuff. Ask me Mike ................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. ................................... Yes Mike, you are right, I was also right but thinking more of the home based kidney support equipment. Bill |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
On 24/01/2012 18:25, 'Mike' wrote:
"charles" wrote in message ... In article , ŽiŠardo wrote: As you may be aware, there are penalties available for exceeding the speed limit, as there are for illegal parking regardless or whether an accident ensues, such penalties being more severe when an accident occurs for the reason stated. Never having received such a penalty in nearly fifty years of driving, however, I'll be guided by those who obviously have fallen foul of the law. You may think it a good idea to kill speeding drivers, but I'll keep an open mind on it. last year on a road near here, a car left the road, hit a tree and killed the 2 occupants. A lot of bleating about the road being unsafe, inadequately marked, etc. Facts: 1.the car was shown to have been travelling at well over the 40mph speed limit - Volvo estates generally stand up well to this sort of impact 2. The occupants were aged 16 & 14 - far too young to be driving legally. 3. They'd just left the home of relatives who must have known their age How did they get the car (belonging to their father) in the first place? -- From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 When my Father started to teach me to drive, in 1954, he said to me, "Remember, the most dangerous nut in a car, is the nut behind the wheel" At the start of my first lesson, the instructor asked me "What is the first rule of the road?" The answer being "Drive on the left" - however, I though that my answer of "Assume everyone else is out to get you" was better. SteveW |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
On 24/01/2012 19:42, Bill Wright wrote:
The simple answer to the ballooning costs of the prisons would be to take the tellys out of the cells, turn the heating down to 18deg, and link food provided to work done. That way the prison population would soon reduce. You'll be somebody who doesn't know that putting telly in cells is about reducing hassle and hence, not about providing a cushy environment for a prisoner. A population doped up to the eyeballs with daytime telly is rather more docile than one otherwise. |
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Metal theft. The biters bit
On 24/01/2012 11:50, ŽiŠardo wrote:
On 24/01/2012 11:40, Bod wrote: On 24/01/2012 11:36, ŽiŠardo wrote: On 24/01/2012 11:27, Bod wrote: On 24/01/2012 11:26, ŽiŠardo wrote: On 23/01/2012 20:48, hugh wrote: In message , 'Mike' writes "David in Normandy" wrote in message r... On 20/01/2012 23:04, Nigel Oldfield wrote: On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote: Not for the faint hearted this one! http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0 Gotta sting. Bet it came as a shock. -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. An electrifying experience? Mike Enough to make your hair stand on end :-( Re-VOLT-ing! Ah! I knew you couldn't resist that. Well, I was ever a live wire. I bet you've lots of contacts? So many that I've had to pull the plug on some of them. Ah, coming back down to Earth now. SteveW |
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