I was wondering that when things get back to normal what would be the last
date to sow pea, broad bean and potatoes?
I can buy plugs of the rest such a brassiccas and live without the rest.
Runner beans are still on the cill, I can deal with that. Tomatoes are sill
on the cill, ok with me.

I can't imagine a summer without broad beans and new potatoes.

Saying that, the lot of them might come good when the water has gone. What
are the chances of that? I am hoping to get a glimpse Sunday perhaps if it
doesn't rain too hard between now and then.

I just hope the fruit trees and bushes will be ok. They look ok.

Baz

In article ,
Baz wrote:

I was wondering that when things get back to normal what would be the last
date to sow pea, broad bean and potatoes?

Ages yet, though you wouldn't get much of a potato crop. Even here
(nominally in the south), this is not unusually late. Paradoxically,
the worst risk for late sowing is a hot spell before they have got
properly established.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

wrote in :


I was wondering that when things get back to normal what would be the
last date to sow pea, broad bean and potatoes?

Ages yet, though you wouldn't get much of a potato crop. Even here
(nominally in the south), this is not unusually late. Paradoxically,
the worst risk for late sowing is a hot spell before they have got
properly established.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.


Yes, Nick, just trying to think ahead thats all.
It will (I think) be weeks before my soil dries out enough to do anything
with.
I get your point with late, even autumn sowing of potatoes. Been there. Got
a small crop the first time. One of the reasons I got started with growing
vegetables.
I only hope that the fruit trees and bushes survive it all.

Thanks
Baz

On Apr 20, 5:29*pm, Baz wrote:
I was wondering that when things get back to normal what would be the last
date to sow pea, broad bean and potatoes?
I can buy plugs of the rest such a brassiccas and live without the rest.
Runner beans are still on the cill, I can deal with that. Tomatoes are sill
on the cill, ok with me.

I can't imagine a summer without broad beans and new potatoes.

Saying that, the lot of them might come good when the water has gone. What
are the chances of that? I am hoping to get a glimpse Sunday perhaps if it
doesn't rain too hard between now and then.

I just hope the fruit trees and bushes will be ok. They look ok.

Baz

You have plenty of time for everything.
Just think of the ancient Egyptians and the Nile. They did pretty good!

Peas usually say on the packet "successional sowings until July"
I've planted broad beans in late april before now. I haven't planted my dad's potatoes yet - I meant to, but it's been raining non stop for about a fortnight.

If the soil is still too soggy, you could always start in pots and then transplant - you can certainly do that with peas and broad beans.

My garden gets flooded to a depth of 6 inches several times a year, for about 24 hours at a time, but all my fruit trees and bushes are fine, despite what they say about apples not liking soggy ground.

"Baz" wrote in message
.. .
I was wondering that when things get back to normal what would be the last
date to sow pea, broad bean and potatoes?
I can buy plugs of the rest such a brassiccas and live without the rest.
Runner beans are still on the cill, I can deal with that. Tomatoes are
sill
on the cill, ok with me.

I can't imagine a summer without broad beans and new potatoes.


AFAIK there are pea and broad bean plants available at garden centres.

You can buy pots of potatoes already growing from HomeBase (or at least you
could last year) but I wouldn't think this would help much with getting a
large crop.

It will brighten up eventually.

--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

In article ,
kay wrote:


My garden gets flooded to a depth of 6 inches several times a year, for
about 24 hours at a time, but all my fruit trees and bushes are fine,
despite what they say about apples not liking soggy ground.

Few plants object to being flooded for short periods - what actually
harms them is the lack of oxygen over an extended period. Some are
harmed because wet conditions help some bacteria and fungi, which
they can't handle. And there might be other reasons, but all are
associated with staying wet rather than just getting wet. Even
cacti etc. can be soaked without harm, provided that they then dry
dry out reasonably promptly.



Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

kay wrote in news:kay.a0827d7
@gardenbanter.co.uk:


My garden gets flooded to a depth of 6 inches several times a year, for
about 24 hours at a time, but all my fruit trees and bushes are fine,
despite what they say about apples not liking soggy ground.





Well! that is good news about the fruit and bushes, not about your garden
getting flooded.
Makes our little puddle just a bit of a niggle.

The fruit trees and bushes in this garden don't look so bad now.

Thanks
Baz

On 21/04/2012 10:32, wrote:
In ,
wrote:


My garden gets flooded to a depth of 6 inches several times a year, for
about 24 hours at a time, but all my fruit trees and bushes are fine,
despite what they say about apples not liking soggy ground.

Few plants object to being flooded for short periods - what actually
harms them is the lack of oxygen over an extended period.

Absolutely correct. It is not unknown for cacti to be underwater for a
short time after flash floods in the desert. Doesn't do them any harm.

--

Jeff

wrote in :

In article ,
kay wrote:


My garden gets flooded to a depth of 6 inches several times a year, for
about 24 hours at a time, but all my fruit trees and bushes are fine,
despite what they say about apples not liking soggy ground.

Few plants object to being flooded for short periods - what actually
harms them is the lack of oxygen over an extended period. Some are
harmed because wet conditions help some bacteria and fungi, which
they can't handle. And there might be other reasons, but all are
associated with staying wet rather than just getting wet. Even
cacti etc. can be soaked without harm, provided that they then dry
dry out reasonably promptly.



Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

I really hope most of that is true. Not knocking you, Nick. I will beleive
it whan I see it. All time moralle is low.

On 21/04/2012 09:59, David WE Roberts wrote:

"Baz" wrote in message
.. .
I was wondering that when things get back to normal what would be the
last
date to sow pea, broad bean and potatoes?
I can buy plugs of the rest such a brassiccas and live without the rest.
Runner beans are still on the cill, I can deal with that. Tomatoes are
sill
on the cill, ok with me.

I can't imagine a summer without broad beans and new potatoes.


AFAIK there are pea and broad bean plants available at garden centres.

You can buy pots of potatoes already growing from HomeBase (or at least
you could last year) but I wouldn't think this would help much with
getting a large crop.

It will brighten up eventually.

I am sure your fruit trees will survive, the question is will the
blossom survive and set? Last year was an exceptionally good year for fruit
So law of averages say this will be a bad one. I know frost at certain
times means that damsons, for example, some years often bear little fruit.

--
Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:31:22 GMT, Baz wrote:

wrote in :

In article ,
kay wrote:


My garden gets flooded to a depth of 6 inches several times a year, for
about 24 hours at a time, but all my fruit trees and bushes are fine,
despite what they say about apples not liking soggy ground.

Few plants object to being flooded for short periods - what actually
harms them is the lack of oxygen over an extended period. Some are
harmed because wet conditions help some bacteria and fungi, which
they can't handle. And there might be other reasons, but all are
associated with staying wet rather than just getting wet. Even
cacti etc. can be soaked without harm, provided that they then dry
dry out reasonably promptly.



Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

I really hope most of that is true. Not knocking you, Nick. I will beleive
it whan I see it. All time moralle is low.

Almost exactly 20 years ago I drove from LA to Las Vegas. Other than
the road most of the area leading to Las Vegas was covered in water.
Death Valley was inaccessible from one end because of floods. The
local vegetation survives these conditions.


I should perhaps point out that I have been growing cacti outside all year
round for the last few years.
They were in the sun lounge in the last house and there was no space for
them inside here.
They took their chances and have survived so far - including the last two
winters.
Some of the clusters have died but there are still plenty of viable parts.
I am now tempted to plant some out on the allotment to see how big they can
grow (and also just to watch the reaction of the otther plot holders).

Cheers

Dave R
--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
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I should perhaps point out that I have been growing cacti outside all year
round for the last few years.
They were in the sun lounge in the last house and there was no space for
them inside here.
They took their chances and have survived so far - including the last two
winters.
Some of the clusters have died but there are still plenty of viable parts.
I am now tempted to plant some out on the allotment to see how big they
can grow (and also just to watch the reaction of the otther plot holders).

I can see the headline in the Evening Star now :-}

"Strange New Vegetable Found On Local Allotment"
"I've been here 75 years and I've never seen anything like it!", says Bert,
89.


--
Kathy

"Kathy" wrote in message
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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
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I should perhaps point out that I have been growing cacti outside all
year round for the last few years.
They were in the sun lounge in the last house and there was no space for
them inside here.
They took their chances and have survived so far - including the last two
winters.
Some of the clusters have died but there are still plenty of viable
parts.
I am now tempted to plant some out on the allotment to see how big they
can grow (and also just to watch the reaction of the otther plot
holders).

I can see the headline in the Evening Star now :-}

"Strange New Vegetable Found On Local Allotment"
"I've been here 75 years and I've never seen anything like it!", says
Bert, 89.


Be good for a few drought pictures, though.
"This once fertile allotment is now an arid waste land covered in cacti".

If it ever stops raining, of course.

--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...

"Kathy" wrote in message
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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...



Snip



I should perhaps point out that I have been growing cacti outside all
year round for the last few years.
They were in the sun lounge in the last house and there was no space for
them inside here.
They took their chances and have survived so far - including the last
two winters.
Some of the clusters have died but there are still plenty of viable
parts.
I am now tempted to plant some out on the allotment to see how big they
can grow (and also just to watch the reaction of the otther plot
holders).

I can see the headline in the Evening Star now :-}

"Strange New Vegetable Found On Local Allotment"
"I've been here 75 years and I've never seen anything like it!", says
Bert, 89.


Be good for a few drought pictures, though.
"This once fertile allotment is now an arid waste land covered in cacti".

If it ever stops raining, of course.

Perhaps you should try marsh marigolds instead.

Guess who's water butt decided to split just as it started raining :-{