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On 2013-06-16 17:19:13 +0100, Lintama said:

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I have a few plants which I grew from seed a few weeks ago but I don't
know what they are. A couple of seeds came from Madeira where I was
on
holiday. I picked the seeds up in the hotel car park. One of the
plants looks like it could be a weed.

Can anybody help identify them please? They are all in three inch
pots.


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Not at all sure about these so suggestions only!
1 Could be a Catalpa bignonoides
2 Tetrapanax?
3 Italian parsley? Doubtful!
4 Don't know
5 Sorrel


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Thanks for the suggestions Sacha. The 3rd isn't parsley or any herb for
that matter. It's tasteless. I haven't tasted the 5th one yet. I will
do so later. Not sure about the 1st one being Catalpa...thingy. The
leaves aren't quite the right shape unless there are a lot of
variations. It is growing fast as are the others. I know it isn't
Morning Glory now as it isn't a climber. The stem is stiff. The
lookalike parsley isn't growing fast so maybe it won't be a big plant.
Still not had a definite ID on any of them. They need to grow a bit.
Best to get more photos in a few weeks and post again. It's certainly
turning into a mystery for me. I'm a bit nervous of number 4 and what
to do with it. I don't want to destroy it as it might be a very nice
plant that isn't cannabis.


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I can't believe that you need to throw any of them away. Even if one
of them did turn out to be Cannabis sativa, you have plenty of evidence
that you've tried to establish its identity properly. And imo, none
of them are that. And no, your first plant isn't morning glory which
is Ipomoea and which we grow here as a perfectly legitimate climber.
I'm starting to think of Thunbergia, perhaps gregorrii. I think you'd
help yourself a lot if you took some of them suggestions given here and
fed them into Google images. You don't comment on Numbers 2 or 5, so
your own opinion on a Google image search may be of use to you. It will
be fascinating to get the ID on all these just out of curiosity.
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Yes, I have looked on Google but still unsure. Can't get an exact match on any but the Sorrel which has been identified.
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I can't believe that you need to throw any of them away. Even if one
of them did turn out to be Cannabis sativa, you have plenty of evidence
that you've tried to establish its identity properly. And imo, none
of them are that. And no, your first plant isn't morning glory which
is Ipomoea and which we grow here as a perfectly legitimate climber.
I'm starting to think of Thunbergia, perhaps gregorrii.
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It'd help us all if you could give reasons. The picture I posted of a cannabis seedling looked remarkably like the picture Lintama posted, so what are the differences that you can see, either from that, or from your own experience, that makes you think that it's not?

You say the first isn't morning glory which is Ipomea, but the genus Ipomea has quite a number of species and varieties which look wildly different as seedlings - I've got two batches at the moment, one of which looks very like Lintama's, the other looking completely different. Lintama says hers isn't climbing, and it probably would be showing climbing tendencies by now, so it's probably right - was that what you were basing your comment on?

I'm not getting at you, but I use these threads to increase my own knowledge as I expect others do, so it's helpful, when it gets into a discussion, if people say the reasons why something can't be something.
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Thanks for the suggestions Sacha. The 3rd isn't parsley or any herb for
that matter. It's tasteless. I haven't tasted the 5th one yet. I will
do so later. Not sure about the 1st one being Catalpa...thingy. The
leaves aren't quite the right shape unless there are a lot of
variations. It is growing fast as are the others. I know it isn't
Morning Glory now as it isn't a climber. The stem is stiff. The
lookalike parsley isn't growing fast so maybe it won't be a big plant.
Still not had a definite ID on any of them. They need to grow a bit.
Best to get more photos in a few weeks and post again. It's certainly
turning into a mystery for me. I'm a bit nervous of number 4 and what
to do with it. I don't want to destroy it as it might be a very nice
plant that isn't cannabis.



Right, you're not happy because no one has been able to say with
certainty what the seedlings are.
Now lets see if you can actually give us some help.
You have said that 2 of the seeds came from the hotel car park in Madeira,
Just where did the other 3 come from?
Wild collected?
Packets that you threw away after sowing or where?

If you still don't believe my identification of sorrel have a look at
this link.
red sorrel plant
David @ the damp side of Swansea Bay
I am very grateful for everybody's input. It's not that I'm not happy, I am finding this rather fun actually as to me it is like trying to solve a mystery which it is anyway. I have looked at Google images until my eyes have gone square. Some are very like the plants I have but not exactly. The castor oil plant and the tetrapanax are very similar.

As for where the seeds came from, I am a bit fuzzy over it now. The plant which is like the morning glory I dug up from my garden. I have found two more small seedlings now from roughly the same place. The cannabis type plant also was dug up from my back garden. The castor oil type plant, I can't remember but not from Madeira. The other one which looks like a little fern is from Madeira. The sorrel was from Madeira too.
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On 16/06/2013 22:19, David Hill wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions Sacha. The 3rd isn't parsley or any herb for
that matter. It's tasteless. I haven't tasted the 5th one yet. I will
do so later. Not sure about the 1st one being Catalpa...thingy. The
leaves aren't quite the right shape unless there are a lot of
variations. It is growing fast as are the others. I know it isn't
Morning Glory now as it isn't a climber. The stem is stiff. The
lookalike parsley isn't growing fast so maybe it won't be a big plant.
Still not had a definite ID on any of them. They need to grow a bit.
Best to get more photos in a few weeks and post again. It's certainly
turning into a mystery for me. I'm a bit nervous of number 4 and what
to do with it. I don't want to destroy it as it might be a very nice
plant that isn't cannabis.



Right, you're not happy because no one has been able to say with
certainty what the seedlings are.
Now lets see if you can actually give us some help.
You have said that 2 of the seeds came from the hotel car park in Madeira,
Just where did the other 3 come from?
Wild collected?
Packets that you threw away after sowing or where?

If you still don't believe my identification of sorrel have a look at
this link.
red sorrel plant
David @ the damp side of Swansea Bay
Yep. It's sorrel allright. Thank you.
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As for where the seeds came from, I am a bit fuzzy over it now. The plant which is like the morning glory I dug up from my garden. I have found two more small seedlings now from roughly the same place. The cannabis type plant also was dug up from my back garden. The castor oil type plant, I can't remember but not from Madeira. The other one which looks like a little fern is from Madeira. The sorrel was from Madeira too.
If it's from your garden, it almost certainly won't be an Ipomea. They're not native to the UK, and they don't survive our winters. That said, I do have one in our gravel terrace which has just reached the cotyledon stage which looks remarkable like an Ipomea (they have strange double-barrelled cotyledons).

Have you looked at buckwheat (Fagopyrum esculentum) of one of its relatives?

Not directly relevant, but I bumped into this interesing site:
Non-Native Plant Species - URS
- it has pictures of seedlings as well as mature plants
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As for where the seeds came from, I am a bit fuzzy over it now. The plant which is like the morning glory I dug up from my garden. I have found two more small seedlings now from roughly the same place. The cannabis type plant also was dug up from my back garden. The castor oil type plant, I can't remember but not from Madeira. The other one which looks like a little fern is from Madeira. The sorrel was from Madeira too.
If it's from your garden, it almost certainly won't be an Ipomea. They're not native to the UK, and they don't survive our winters. That said, I do have one in our gravel terrace which has just reached the cotyledon stage which looks remarkable like an Ipomea (they have strange double-barrelled cotyledons).

Have you looked at buckwheat (Fagopyrum esculentum) of one of its relatives?

Not directly relevant, but I bumped into this interesting site:
Non-Native Plant Species - URS
- it has pictures of seedlings as well as mature plants
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If it's from your garden, it almost certainly won't be an Ipomea. They're not native to the UK, and they don't survive our winters. That said, I do have one in our gravel terrace which has just reached the cotyledon stage which looks remarkable like an Ipomea (they have strange double-barrelled cotyledons).

Have you looked at buckwheat (Fagopyrum esculentum) of one of its relatives?

Not directly relevant, but I bumped into this interesting site:
Non-Native Plant Species - URS
- it has pictures of seedlings as well as mature plants
Yes, the Fagopyrum esculentum is a very good match for my plant (no.1) Shouldn't be long before it flowers and that will clinch it. Where do you think would it come from? Do farmers grow it and what is it used for? We have lots of fields round us.
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Yes, the Fagopyrum esculentum is a very good match for my plant (no.1) Shouldn't be long before it flowers and that will clinch it. Where do you think would it come from? Do farmers grow it and what is it used for? We have lots of fields round us.
It's OK, I Googled it to find out what the uses are.
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Can't be cannabis though. .


Why do you say that?

You said some of the seeds came from a car park in Malta, if I recall.
At one time, birdseed contained cannabis but in the UK it was banned.
Not sure whether the same happened elsewhere.


I'd be pretty certain (99.99%) that the plant in picture 4 is a form of
cannabis. Probably hemp (which is what was found in birdseed) rather
than the stuff you get high from.

It might have a slight smell - a sweetish smelling cross between cat
pee, tomato leaf and mint. The stronger the smell, the less hemp like
it will be

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Yes, the Fagopyrum esculentum is a very good match for my plant (no.1) Shouldn't be long before it flowers and that will clinch it. Where do you think would it come from? Do farmers grow it and what is it used for? We have lots of fields round us.
I think it's a UK native, so it will appear as a "weed" every now and then. The seeds are used as a cereal - you used to be able to get them in wholefood shops, and I think they're coming into fashion again as an alternative to rice. And aren't blinis made of buckwheat flour?
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Just a thought but you said that wild bird seed used to contain cannabis seed, well I feed the birds a mixture of seed and I am now wondering if that's why I have this plant that looks like cannabis and in fact would explain it if it was a cannabis plant. Best I check the seed with the suppliers.
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Can't be cannabis though. .


Why do you say that?

You said some of the seeds came from a car park in Malta, if I recall.
At one time, birdseed contained cannabis but in the UK it was banned.
Not sure whether the same happened elsewhere.


I'd be pretty certain (99.99%) that the plant in picture 4 is a form of
cannabis. Probably hemp (which is what was found in birdseed) rather
than the stuff you get high from.

It might have a slight smell - a sweetish smelling cross between cat
pee, tomato leaf and mint. The stronger the smell, the less hemp like
it will be

Well I'm even more certain of what it is and it certainly isn't cannabis.
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I think it's a UK native, so it will appear as a "weed" every now and then. The seeds are used as a cereal - you used to be able to get them in wholefood shops, and I think they're coming into fashion again as an alternative to rice. And aren't blinis made of buckwheat flour?
Thanks Kay. Just to let you know, you were right about the wild bird seed. The plant (no. 4) is indeed hemp and there is hemp seed in the mixed bag of seed so mystery solved on that one.

Thank you once again. I don't feel so nervous now. I will continue to grow it on. The girl at the seed supplier said they wouldn't be allowed to put cannabis seed in the mix. She was very helpful in explaining just what the mix contained.

Never had blinis so wouldn't know what the ingredients were.
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I have a few plants which I grew from seed a few weeks ago but I don't know what they are. A couple of seeds came from Madeira where I was on holiday. I picked the seeds up in the hotel car park. One of the plants looks like it could be a weed.

Can anybody help identify them please? They are all in three inch pots.

NO. 4 IS HEMP. THE SEED CAME FROM MY WILD BIRD MIX. MYSTERY SOLVED ON THAT ONE.
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NO. 4 IS HEMP. THE SEED CAME FROM MY WILD BIRD MIX. MYSTERY SOLVED ON THAT ONE.
You might be interested in this site, then
https://www.gov.uk/hemp-growing-licence

and for amusement, a rather ungrammatical petition which managed only 5 signatures:
Make Industrial Hemp Legal for anyone to grow without a Licence - e-petitions
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