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In article , "Franz Heymann" writes: | | I find it hard to imagine anybody putting any unused tea-bags on the | compost heap, except as a result of an occasional mistake. | {:-)) Nah. We were clearing out cupboards and there were some ancient ones - not used because I don't like them much and use leaf tea. We were also given some special tea bags that were singularly repulsive (e.g. with added rhubarb and samphire) that got the same treatment. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , "Franz Heymann" writes: I find it hard to imagine anybody putting any unused tea-bags on the compost heap, except as a result of an occasional mistake. {:-)) Nah. We were clearing out cupboards and there were some ancient ones - not used because I don't like them much and use leaf tea. We were also given some special tea bags that were singularly repulsive (e.g. with added rhubarb and samphire) that got the same treatment. Yep, my position, too. Though I have also composted stale leaf tea in my time. Mike. |
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In article , "Mike Lyle" writes: | | Yep, my position, too. Though I have also composted stale leaf tea in | my time. Me too :-) I have never had the nerve to use it directly as a peat substitute, but I can think of few reasons not to. Black tea is, after all, only partially composted leaves .... Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , "Franz Heymann" writes: | | I find it hard to imagine anybody putting any unused tea-bags on the | compost heap, except as a result of an occasional mistake. | {:-)) Nah. We were clearing out cupboards and there were some ancient ones - not used because I don't like them much and use leaf tea. We were also given some special tea bags that were singularly repulsive (e.g. with added rhubarb and samphire) that got the same treatment. May I take it that you found something innocuous but equally repulsive to give to the giver? Franz |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:47:48 +0000 (UTC), "anton" wrote: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "anton" contains these words: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... UK kitchen refuse is not banned from composting http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/...cs/kitchen.htm (snip) So the ******* have made illegal what nearly everyone in this ng is doing, and since then have been trying to avoid admitting it. You're misleading this group. No. or yourself? Defra's website is not as clear as it should be, because it refers to the 'amended legislation' without making it totally clear as to whether the relevant amendment is the 2001 amendment or the 'pending' amendment. However, "Pending the amending of the legislation, spreading on land composted waste that contains meat, or could have come into contact with meat, or has been in premises that also handle meat, remains illegal" makes it clear enough. Milk residues in tea bags are meat? No, but the inside of an udder is, depending on your definition of meat. Franz |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "anton" contains these words: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "anton" contains these words: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... UK kitchen refuse is not banned from composting http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/...cs/kitchen.htm (snip) So the ******* have made illegal what nearly everyone in this ng is doing, and since then have been trying to avoid admitting it. You're misleading this group. No. Defra's website is not as clear as it should be, because it refers to the 'amended legislation' without making it totally clear as to whether the relevant amendment is the 2001 amendment or the 'pending' amendment. However, "Pending the amending of the legislation, spreading on land composted waste that contains meat, or could have come into contact with meat, or has been in premises that also handle meat, remains illegal" makes it clear enough ""Use of compost from "green waste". Where green waste has been properly composted and is no longer waste then there are no restrictions on its use on land. " "However the composting and use of green (garden) waste is unaffected by these provisions." We were talking about kitchen waste, including vegetable waste from kitchens, e.g teabags, so your quote concerning green waste is irrelevant. Here is what Defra says, spelled out for you from the source I quoted above. *" Q3. Under the amended legislation, ****will*** householders who keep pets or other animals (which would *access composted material spread on their land) be allowed to use composted kitchen waste on their *gardens? *Yes, subject to certain conditions (see below) and providing it is composted from the kitchen waste *of the household. [my emphasis added above] You missed the future tense in the 'will'. I suggest that you re-read it taking careful note of how they use the future tense to tell us about what the legislation *will* be in future. You're lost in the past, it was clearly dated 2001. Don't be daft Janet- "Page published 24 April 2003; Page last modified 14 July, 2004 " Of course it's possible that defra are sufficiently clownish to refer to 2001 as being in the future on a page dated 2004. However, during a similar discussion I read the actual legislation (2001) and that indeed made it illegal to compost and spread on land /anything/ that had been in a kitchen, without any derogation for individual households. "Use of compost from "green waste". Where green waste has been properly composted and is no longer waste then there are no restrictions on its use on land. Yes. They define green waste as garden waste, and anything that has been in a kitchen and hence is potentially contaminated, is excluded from their definition of green waste. Use of compost from "mixed" waste Where catering or household waste contains meat or other products derived from animals then, although it may be composted, it may not, currently, be used on land. The Animal By- Products Order prohibits the use of this mixed compost on land where animals (including wild birds) may have access. However, this position, is set to change. The draft EU Regulation on Animal By -Products will allow the use of properly composted mixed waste on all land except pastural land. We expect this Regulation to come into force in the Spring of 2002." The above quote is not from the url you quote, and I suspect that you've missed a trick. Please give the source of your quote. -- Anton |
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:42:46 GMT, Janet Baraclough
wrote: ~The message ~from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words: ~ ~ In article , ~ jane wrote: ~ ~ ~ ~Well, they may be, but not for that reason. Such roots don't last ~ ~long even in a 'cold' composting process, because they have to either ~ ~grow or die - and there isn't enough light (and often not enough air) ~ ~to grow. Also, when they do sprout, the new growth is very susceptible ~ ~to attack by bacteria and fungi. ~ ~ er, I think it *can* survive ~ http://www.compost.me.uk/html/japanese_knotweed.html ~ ~ "The results of the study suggest that for regeneration to be ~ prevented a temperature greater than 55oC needs to be maintained in ~ the compost, for at least one week." ~ ~ Anyone who expects to produce compost from unsorted but compostable ~ household and garden waste in a week clearly believes in fairy ~ godmothers. ~ ~ The claim above doesn't say one week at 55 degrees is long enough to ~create compost. It says that one week of sustained 55 degrees in the ~compost process, will ensure JK plant-parts can't regenerate. Which it doesn't sound like the Welsh process can, sadly. I know we've had discussions in urg before on whether commercial composting can kill such things: now we know they may not be able to, so I shall make a point of never buying anything from the local recycling centre until all of them have to be operating to EU guidelines ie hot enough. *sigh* -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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anton wrote:
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "anton" contains these words: [...] Here is what Defra says, spelled out for you from the source I quoted above. *" Q3. Under the amended legislation, ****will*** householders who keep pets or other animals (which would *access composted material spread on their land) be allowed to use composted kitchen waste on their *gardens? *Yes, subject to certain conditions (see below) and providing it is composted from the kitchen waste *of the household. [my emphasis added above] You missed the future tense in the 'will'. I suggest that you re-read it taking careful note of how they use the future tense to tell us about what the legislation *will* be in future. You're lost in the past, it was clearly dated 2001. Don't be daft Janet- "Page published 24 April 2003; Page last modified 14 July, 2004 " Of course it's possible that defra are sufficiently clownish to refer to 2001 as being in the future on a page dated 2004. However, during a similar discussion I read the actual legislation (2001) and that indeed made it illegal to compost and spread on land /anything/ that had been in a kitchen, without any derogation for individual households. [...] Be that as it may, you yourself quoted the passage which stated quite clearly that domestic household material was to be exempt. I don't mind you disliking the EU, but it's a bit much when you try to mess about with our minds like this. Though pro-EU, I could probably make a much better case against it myself without actual misrepresentation: you could find some better ammo. Mike. |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "anton" contains these words: Use of compost from "mixed" waste Where catering or household waste contains meat or other products derived from animals then, although it may be composted, it may not, currently, be used on land. The Animal By- Products Order prohibits the use of this mixed compost on land where animals (including wild birds) may have access. However, this position, is set to change. The draft EU Regulation on Animal By -Products will allow the use of properly composted mixed waste on all land except pastural land. We expect this Regulation to come into force in the Spring of 2002." The above quote is not from the url you quote, and I suspect that you've missed a trick. Yes, sorry, I'd wandered onto another page dated June 2001 :~} Please give the source of your quote. http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/...opics/compost/ Right. So rewind to your original url and you'll find that the composting and spreading on land of stuff that's been in a kitchen (even a domestic kitchen, not a commercial one) has been illegal, because of potential contamination with animal products, since 2001. The amendments which may change this are in the future as is implicit in your original url dated 2004. We are governed by liars that have turned the civil service, who were formerly merely incompetent, into propagandists for their masters. Accordingly, any government offering has to read very closely, and the bits that possibly fooled you a * the references to 'amended' legislation, without clarity as to whether this was the original (2001) amendment or the amended amended legislation (2006?); *the reference to green waste which suggests broccoli stalks etc to you and me but actually excludes these if they have been in a kitchen; and *'properly composted' which may suggest one thing to you but actually requires a lot of automated control systems, temperature sensors, and record keeping. happy activation-free (cos it's an animal product)composting -- Anton |
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"jane" wrote in message ... On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:24:13 GMT, Janet Baraclough wrote: ~The message ~from (jane) contains these words: ~ ~ ~ Perhaps we should start a new thread on better hot home composting ~ techniques! I'm all ears... (though please can the chaps note that for ~ us ladies, providing recycled beer activation doesn't happen when up ~ the allotments!) ~ ~ Speak for yourself!When I had an allotment, there were no loos on the ~site, and I was usually up there for half a day with accompanying ~infants. Older people would spend the entire day there. ~Occasionally they disappeared discreetly into their rickety hut....or ~behind their compost heap/rhubarb patch. ~ :-) Trouble is we've a *very* open site like an amphitheatre so can be overlooked by a bus route and main road to housing estate. I did put a bucket in the shed at one point but it now gets used for escorting bindweed off the premises and rarely for the original intention! Invest in a second bucket? I have been tempted to put a bolt on the shed door - inside! I would have thought that that would be a prime requirement.. Franz |
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