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there was a lot of other points imentioned in my post andrew,
when i lived in the city i installed a 1,000 gallon tank rolled it off the truck slid it under the high set house, installed on demand elect' pump that came with a 3 pin lead attached too easy! ran some pipe to the kitchen and a tap hey presto, no worries oh and no rebates then either. at that time the tank, bypass filter system and pump came as a special deal so shop around hey, you may be surprised how far a tank manufacturer will go to sell a tank. in rural we had to pay for 3 x 5,000 gallon tanks at a cost of around $1800 each buy elect' on demand pump and plumb it into the house we pay for more power because each time we need water the pump comes on and guess what no rebates not even on the power. would like a couple more but then money don't come cheap. from what i see buy and large city folk can be very wastefull how many do you know that use some of the oprions i mentioned in my earlier post? my guess not many at all. len snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
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Andrew Puddifer wrote:
Well, Mr Idealist, perhaps you could give me some of your ideal money for my tanks then. Why? Why should anyone need to get rebates for doing something that's environmentally sensible? And since I am a low-paid retail drone I don't really have enough money to buy a tank for myself, let alone give some to someone else. Perhaps it's better not to assume you know of one's situation before you comment. Where on earth did I make an assumption about *anyone's* situation? Perhaps it's better to try some English comprehension lessons before criticising another's post? Some people have to save money to purchase several thousand dollars worth of tanks, and it's not a trivial amount. No indeed, as I said above I can't afford to get one myself. There's no rebate where I live so that doesn't come into it. But the lack of a rebate won't stop me buying a tank (I don't need anyone to give me a handout to encourage me)...I'll buy one when I can afford it regardless. Why shouldn't people receive rebates? I bet you take any rebate you can get.... Of course I would...if I am entitled why shouldn't I take it? (although as I said...my council is so backwards -- or poor -- that it doesn't offer rebates for tanks) Oh...and where did I say people shouldn't get rebates? I was commenting on some people bitching about not getting a big enough rebate and implying (to my mind at least) that if there was no rebate they'd not be bothering to conserve this wet watery stuff...something that I regard as a poor reflection on them (and maybe society as a whole) And others were whinging about not being allowed to wash their cars for goodness sake! As though that's an essential of life. I just don't think any sensible person should *need* a rebate to do something environmentally responible. (Or to see that it's far better to have a dirty car than to waste water when it's scarce) Charles -- If some days are diamonds & some days are stone -- Then some days I live in a quarry!! |
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Andrew Puddifer wrote:
With all due respect, (But precious little understanding or comprehension.) So what if someone wants to wash their car with the rainwater they save? Isn't it far better than using town water? Of course it's better to use rainwater to wash your car...bathe in it for all I care...geez drink it even...The poster I was commenting on was bitching about bureaucrat not letting him/her use water to water the garden or wash the car....that was *NOT* using rainwater but water board provided treated costly water, as the bureaucrats can't stop you from using your rainwater for whatever you want...well....maybe not for feeding a still to make moonshine..but you get what I mean...no...actually *you* probably don't...Oh god why did I start this post?? Did you know that in large cities you have to wash your car? The pollution pretty quickly destroys them if you don't, and a lot of us can't afford to swap cars every 3 years......most people I know don't water their lawns either...... I don't believe this...not with modern metal finishing and paint technology...cite please? It's not a cash reward, it's a rebate. For some, that money may be the difference between installing a tank and not. Have you considered that some people don't have a spare $1500 for even a modest tank??? A modest poly tank costs far less than that even out here in western Qld. Charles -- If some days are diamonds & some days are stone -- Then some days I live in a quarry!! |
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"SG1" wrote:
Washing the rain gauge worked 26.2mm in overnight storms. First decent fall for a while. Jim Congrats Jim...we had some storm and rain today too..hopefully the farmers around the area got more. Charles -- If some days are diamonds & some days are stone -- Then some days I live in a quarry!! |
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Followed up with another 58.8mm yesterday arvo & overnight. The swamp (yard)
now needs a day or two to dry out. At least the harvest is over now only minor wet days during it. Maybe the local cockies can get in a summer crop or 7. Jim "Charles" wrote in message ... "SG1" wrote: Washing the rain gauge worked 26.2mm in overnight storms. First decent fall for a while. Jim Congrats Jim...we had some storm and rain today too..hopefully the farmers around the area got more. Charles -- If some days are diamonds & some days are stone -- Then some days I live in a quarry!! |
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Kirsty writes:
We have installed 4 tanks for the garden and a tank for excess water, to flush the toilet. At present the cost of installing these tanks isn't 'worth' the money, as water in Australia is so cheap. The available water might prove its worth if you are in bushfire area. Do you think Sydney is going to have even more severe water shortages than it has now ? From recent 'studies' it indicates that this will be the case. Sydney to experience up to 100 days per year when the temp exceeds 30 degrees by mid-century, if some predictions are to be believed. Well, that part of Sydney which is still above water after the polar ice has melted and raised the sea levels. :-( -- John Savage (news address invalid; keep news replies in newsgroup) |
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Andrew Puddifer wrote:
With all due respect, I agree that SOME city people use ridiculous amounts of water, I have seen it. But by far the biggest wasters of water in large cities are businesses. But you have to consider that installing a tank in a surburban area is not as easy as backing up that 32ft tray truck the tanks come in on, hoisting it up with the Hiab crane and plonking it down into position. I know that's how it's done in the country, but what do you do if you have no access to the place you want the tank to go? Who pays for the crane hire? These days tanks can be brought in on a trailer. I'm building a house on an acreage with no town water. A 96000 litre tank has just been installed. The water container is a bladder and the colorbond ring arrives in panels. Easy peasy, japanesey.. no cranes.. no rolling massive poly tanks off the back of a truck. cheerio... aprill |
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Andrew Puddifer wrote:
but the fact that I must have the tanks plumbed into my house plumbing to get the rebate is making it difficult to justify... If "they" were serious about saving water, they would be reducing demand by encouraging composting and non-flush toilets, thus saving an average of 40% on water usage for each household. We are looking at "recycling" grey water before additional water tanks, although the recycling will require another water tank (at least). The "cost" of plumbing and the running cost in electricity is another major discouragement. I doubt if my local council would be happy with the installation of a windmill for water pumping on my suburban lot. |
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Aprill wrote:
The water container is a bladder and the colorbond ring arrives in panels. Easy peasy, japanesey.. no cranes.. no rolling massive poly tanks off the back of a truck. Brand? On the other point, my width and height limitation is what will fit under my neighbour's rolladoor. We then fling it over the back fence. |
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"BCL" wrote in message news I have just spent about $1700 on a couple of water tanks plus the necessary fittings just to store less than $5 worth of water (5000 litres). Admittedly I will get $400 back from the water board but wonder on reflection whether it was worth the money and effort just to be able to water the garden and wash the car! If you are relying on rain to fill the tank what happens when there is no rain? No washing the car and the garden goes brown? Perhaps it wasn't worth it, because it doesn't take long to use up a tank load of water. Amy |
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g'day amy,
we have yup no rain and an empty tank says it all you can buy water though. we have 3 X 5,400 gallon tanks, when they are full they last a long time, we also monitor water use and check tank levels to see when some belt tightening is needed. we don't wash rust buckets we wait until it rains for that event, as some city folk do and we don't water lawns as some other city folk do. we share a bath (no showers they are wastefull and also very hard to monitor water usage, plus unless you have the shower over a tub you can't save the water for other uses). we use a waterless composting toilet (now don't lots of city folk turn their noses up at that idea oh don't worry so do those who move to rural and won't give up the bad habits). our grey water goes to the food trees. we use a twin tub washer and one load of water generally does all the washing as does 1 load of rinse water we wash the cleanest stuff first, and on those occassion that the bath water doesn't look that dirty we use it in the w/machine. we water vegetable or food plants only no roses or pansies here. and in dry spells when rain is scarce we leave grass long as cutting it dries out what moisture you may have. and then it's just mulch, mulch, mulch and more mulch, end result we don't water our citrus or stone fruit trees. generally you will find anyone in the city who buys a tank will only buy something of 1,000 gallons or less in lots of cases available space limits the choice, but there are still lots of folk who could put in biger tanks ie.,. 3,000+ gallon sizes. we save all our night water so nu flushing that with good drinking water here it goes to select vegetables after adding some water to make it go further. now imagine if more city folk bit those bullets maybe just maybe there wouldn't be a water shortage. i could go on but better put the soap box away for now. len On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:11:46 GMT, "Amy Lou" wrote: "BCL" wrote in message news I have just spent about $1700 on a couple of water tanks plus the necessary fittings just to store less than $5 worth of water (5000 litres). Admittedly I will get $400 back from the water board but wonder on reflection whether it was worth the money and effort just to be able to water the garden and wash the car! If you are relying on rain to fill the tank what happens when there is no rain? No washing the car and the garden goes brown? Perhaps it wasn't worth it, because it doesn't take long to use up a tank load of water. Amy -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
#27
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 04:11:46 GMT, "Amy Lou"
wrote: "BCL" wrote in message news I have just spent about $1700 on a couple of water tanks plus the necessary fittings just to store less than $5 worth of water (5000 litres). Admittedly I will get $400 back from the water board but wonder on reflection whether it was worth the money and effort just to be able to water the garden and wash the car! If you are relying on rain to fill the tank what happens when there is no rain? No washing the car and the garden goes brown? Perhaps it wasn't worth it, because it doesn't take long to use up a tank load of water. No I am not worried about filling them I am more annoyed about the water that will be running out the overflow. The problem is finding space for them, I opted for a couple of 2500 litre tanks purely because finding a space to put them without obstructing or reducing the convenience and use of the block was hard to do. I should say I live on a large flat block with an old weatherboard cottage on it so compared to the McMansions on a postage stamp block that most people seem to buy today I am probably spoilt for choice. but even so it was hard finding a place near the best water source that didn't require council approval etc etc (they don't provided certain rules are foillowed.) Actually I don't wash my car (maybe once or twice a year) because I use my bike or walk most places and I rarely water the garden but I think you will be amazed how much water actually falls in a rainstorm, I square metre covered in 1mm of water is a litre. I live in the Illawarra and the average annual rainfall is about 1340 mm . So even a 6 by 6 metre garage would collect 48000 litres per annum (I hope my maths is right) The lowest average monthly rainfall of 60mm in July from the same garage would yield 2100 litres (and the highest monthly rainfall is over twice that) and I am actually collecting from about 3 times that area. even if the 60mm a month was to become the norm I think the tanks would be kept reasonably full. About 10 minutes after I finished plumbing (I use the word loosely) the tank on the side of my house a thunderstorm erupted and the heavens opened. My youngest son was fascinated by the water escaping from the 1mm hole at the base of the first flush device and he collected five bucket fulls from that source alone. One relatively short rainstorm nearly half filled one 2500 litre tank merely a couple of days after it was plonked in place. Somebody asked about the rebate you get, it is $150 for up to 4000 litre $400 for 4000 to 7000 litre and $500 for over 7000. plus you also can get an additional $150 if you plumb it into the toilet and/or washing machine. To be honest in an old house like mine the latter isn't worth the effort you would be better off using buckets. retro fitting is expensive. This is from Sydney Water which covers my bit of the Illawarra too. Regards Bruce |
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On 21 Nov 2004 10:31:45 GMT, Charles wrote:
Oh...and where did I say people shouldn't get rebates? I was commenting on some people bitching about not getting a big enough rebate and implying (to my mind at least) that if there was no rebate they'd not be bothering to conserve this wet watery stuff...something that I regard as a poor reflection on them (and maybe society as a whole) If anyone has limited comprehension it appears to be you, Just where was anyone bitching? The original message merely an ironic comment on the amount paid out to store less than $5 worth of water. As it was obvious from the message the system had been installed then it would be a reasonable assumption that one wouldn't have done it if one didn't think it was worth it. The rebate was neither here nor there. The only bitching is by you whinging about someone doing something that you think is a good thing but that you haven't done yourself. For goodness sake wake up to yourself stop behaving like a whining loser. Regards Bruce |
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"BCL" wrote About 10 minutes after I finished plumbing (I use the word loosely) the tank on the side of my house a thunderstorm erupted and the heavens opened. My youngest son was fascinated by the water escaping from the 1mm hole at the base of the first flush device and he collected five bucket fulls from that source alone. One relatively short rainstorm nearly half filled one 2500 litre tank merely a couple of days after it was plonked in place. We have a downpour like that once in a blue moon. I used to live near Sydney so I remember what real rain was like. Wonderful stuff. Big drops. Thunder and lightning. Down here where I live in Tassie the rain might last for days and still it won't make much difference to the level in the water tank. Its piddly stuff! Hobart has the second lowest annual average rainfal of any capital city in Australia. Still, we manage. Amy |
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Terry Collins wrote:
Aprill wrote: The water container is a bladder and the colorbond ring arrives in panels. Easy peasy, japanesey.. no cranes.. no rolling massive poly tanks off the back of a truck. Brand? Pioneer .. http://www.pioneertanks.com.au/html/aboutus.html |
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