Hi I'm wondering if I could boil some tobaco in water and use the resulting solution to spray on vedge as an insecticde? If so, what are the ratios and will my vedge be ok to eat or will they become toxic? Will they even be damaged by the spray?

If not does anybody else know of any cheap homemade alternatives to the store bought stuff. I'm really trying to keep costs to a minimum this year givien my skintness!

Many thanks

Dave

DavidofWales wrote:
Hi I'm wondering if I could boil some tobaco in water and use the
resulting solution to spray on vedge as an insecticde? If so, what are
the ratios and will my vedge be ok to eat or will they become toxic?
Will they even be damaged by the spray?

If not does anybody else know of any cheap homemade alternatives to the
store bought stuff. I'm really trying to keep costs to a minimum this
year givien my skintness!

Many thanks

Dave


I think your completely stupid! Flirting with death. A concentration of
nicotine on your skin and you could end up dead! One pack of Sigs to make
Nicotine TEA concentration is a top ten way for people committing suicide!
Dead before you hit the floor. Danger Danger Will Robinson!

Do Not Think Of Even Doing This!

The cost of one pack of Sigs, one can buy a bottle of Seven for bug
extermination and be far far safer... Seven will be safer to use than
concentrated nicotine!

What do you want to win "The Darwin Award"?
Or end up on the TV show "1001 ways to die"?

I cannot believe I am typing this, probably a gag!
What ever made you think of doing this?

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

DavidofWales wrote:
Hi I'm wondering if I could boil some tobaco in water and use the
resulting solution to spray on vedge as an insecticde?

Nicotine is very poisonous, the only reason that smokers survive as long as
they do is because most of the nicotine in each smoke is destroyed by heat.
Such a solution will be quite toxic, do not ingest it or allow children pets
etc to get to it.

If so, what are
the ratios and will my vedge be ok to eat or will they become toxic?

These are two important issues. You won't know exactly how strong your
solution is because different tobaccos contain various amounts of nicotine
and the amount extracted into solution will depend on the conditions of the
extraction. Thus you won't know how much you can (should) dilute while it
remains effective nor will you know the withholding period. There may be
information to help with these available on the web but there is a risk that
it is not reliable.

Consider this recipe (the first one that I found).

http://www.ehow.com/how_5459005_make...ine-spray.html

It says a cup of chewing tobacco for a gallon of water and that the spray is
only effective for a few hours. I have no idea if either of these things is
correct. A cup of tobacco doesn't seem very cheap to me but I don't buy
tobacco. I suppose you could collect butts at places where smokers
congregate, you would have to dress the part, maybe carry a bottle in a
brown paper bag and rub dirt into your face and hands.

It also says soap will dissolve the bodies of soft bodied insects which is
not true. You takes your chances with what you find on the web. The soap
will act as a wetting agent allowing the liquid to wet both leaves and
insects which will improve the amount the insects ingest, so it is useful.


Will they (the veges) even be damaged by the spray?


I doubt it.

David

"David Hare-Scott" wrote:
DavidofWales wrote:
Hi I'm wondering if I could boil some tobaco in water and use the
resulting solution to spray on vedge as an insecticde?

Nicotine is very poisonous, the only reason that smokers survive as long
as they do is because most of the nicotine in each smoke is destroyed by
heat. Such a solution will be quite toxic, do not ingest it or allow
children pets etc to get to it.

If so, what are
the ratios and will my vedge be ok to eat or will they become toxic?

These are two important issues. You won't know exactly how strong your
solution is because different tobaccos contain various amounts of
nicotine and the amount extracted into solution will depend on the
conditions of the extraction. Thus you won't know how much you can
(should) dilute while it remains effective nor will you know the
withholding period. There may be information to help with these
available on the web but there is a risk that it is not reliable.

Consider this recipe (the first one that I found).

http://www.ehow.com/how_5459005_make...ine-spray.html

It says a cup of chewing tobacco for a gallon of water and that the spray
is only effective for a few hours. I have no idea if either of these
things is correct. A cup of tobacco doesn't seem very cheap to me but I
don't buy tobacco. I suppose you could collect butts at places where
smokers congregate, you would have to dress the part, maybe carry a
bottle in a brown paper bag and rub dirt into your face and hands.

I would not touch anything some else was sucking on!

It also says soap will dissolve the bodies of soft bodied insects which
is not true. You takes your chances with what you find on the web. The
soap will act as a wetting agent allowing the liquid to wet both leaves
and insects which will improve the amount the insects ingest, so it is useful.


Will they (the veges) even be damaged by the spray?


I doubt it.

David

I can not believe that eHow actually had a formula for it.
Take note of those HEAVY duty gloves....

Nicotine can be absorbed through the skin. I had a school teacher speak of
taking one rabbit and rubbing one sig on the neck of the rabbit and it died
a few minutes later. The good old days of school, not the bland days of
today!

Perhaps I am overly cautious, but I would not even think of trying it.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

"Nad R" wrote in message
...
DavidofWales wrote:
Hi I'm wondering if I could boil some tobaco in water and use the
resulting solution to spray on vedge as an insecticde? If so, what are
the ratios and will my vedge be ok to eat or will they become toxic?
Will they even be damaged by the spray?

If not does anybody else know of any cheap homemade alternatives to the
store bought stuff. I'm really trying to keep costs to a minimum this
year givien my skintness!

Many thanks

Dave


I think your completely stupid! Flirting with death. A concentration of
nicotine on your skin and you could end up dead! One pack of Sigs to make
Nicotine TEA concentration is a top ten way for people committing suicide!
Dead before you hit the floor. Danger Danger Will Robinson!

Do Not Think Of Even Doing This!

The cost of one pack of Sigs, one can buy a bottle of Seven for bug
extermination and be far far safer... Seven will be safer to use than
concentrated nicotine!

Nad is actually suggesting that you use a product called Sevin (not Seven).
The active ingredient of Sevin is Carbaryl.

Carbaryl is highly toxic to both bees and earthworms and it is reputed to be
a human carcinogen and to cause neuropathic damage to humans and a number of
domestic pet species and has a raft of other negatives attached to it's
name.

I would not recommend the use of Sevin even for someone I disliked as it is
crosses through human skin barrier. Carbaryl has been banned in quite a few
western countries including the UK where you seem to be posting from so you
shouldn't be able to buy it anyway. The US has not yet banned this nasty
product.
http://www.beyondpesticides.org/info...c/CARBARYL.HTM
http://www.grandcountywater.com/Carb...HazardData.htm

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Nad R" wrote in message
...
DavidofWales wrote:
Hi I'm wondering if I could boil some tobaco in water and use the
resulting solution to spray on vedge as an insecticde? If so, what are
the ratios and will my vedge be ok to eat or will they become toxic?
Will they even be damaged by the spray?

If not does anybody else know of any cheap homemade alternatives to the
store bought stuff. I'm really trying to keep costs to a minimum this
year givien my skintness!

Many thanks

Dave


I think your completely stupid! Flirting with death. A concentration of
nicotine on your skin and you could end up dead! One pack of Sigs to make
Nicotine TEA concentration is a top ten way for people committing suicide!
Dead before you hit the floor. Danger Danger Will Robinson!

Do Not Think Of Even Doing This!

The cost of one pack of Sigs, one can buy a bottle of Seven for bug
extermination and be far far safer... Seven will be safer to use than
concentrated nicotine!

Nad is actually suggesting that you use a product called Sevin (not Seven).
The active ingredient of Sevin is Carbaryl.

Carbaryl is highly toxic to both bees and earthworms and it is reputed to be
a human carcinogen and to cause neuropathic damage to humans and a number of
domestic pet species and has a raft of other negatives attached to it's
name.

I would not recommend the use of Sevin even for someone I disliked as it is
crosses through human skin barrier. Carbaryl has been banned in quite a few
western countries including the UK where you seem to be posting from so you
shouldn't be able to buy it anyway. The US has not yet banned this nasty
product.
http://www.beyondpesticides.org/info...c/CARBARYL.HTM
http://www.grandcountywater.com/Carb...HazardData.htm

Thanks for correcting me on Sevin

That is true about Sevin. I do not use on Veggies. I do keep a bottle for
my last rose bush. When the last rose bush goes to the great compost pile,
I hope soon, the Sevin will go also. Some one felt I should keep at least
one Rose, I still do not have a good reason thou.

I was like having the thought, Sevin is a better product than Nicotine.
Both are toxic. The US has not banned Tobacco yet here either. Both should
be banned. Not much is illegal here in the US, if it is illegal, it is not
enforced.

Yea I know it is 1:30AM here and I am not thinking straight.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:59:49 +0000, DavidofWales wrote:

Hi I'm wondering if I could boil some tobaco in water and use the
resulting solution to spray on vedge as an insecticde? If so, what are
the ratios and will my vedge be ok to eat or will they become toxic?
Will they even be damaged by the spray?

If not does anybody else know of any cheap homemade alternatives to the
store bought stuff. I'm really trying to keep costs to a minimum this
year givien my skintness!

Many thanks

Dave

You may end up addicted to your spinach.

DavidofWales

As you can read people here like to share their opinions and
frequently inquire as to your mental health. These helpful opinions
are largely based on urban mythology and their personal preferences.
Facts and answers tend to be quite a different story.

I mostly left out the usual recycled greenie news propaganda sources
and gave you some Educational resources except for the *-lifestyles
link which seemed to be rather good basic info. The Colorado State
link is general info on nicotine products with its homepage below it
if you want further info. Just know nicotine is not the Antichrist's
power drink as outlined but use chewing tobacco. A common sense
approach to preparing and using any pesticide should be a sufficient
disclaimer.

http://npic.orst.edu/RMPP/rmpp_ch7.pdf
http://npic.orst.edu/

here are some easy to follow formularies to look over. One is
written for junior High School students by the University of Georgia
but still should answer your specific question:

http://mghc.org/2009/08/14/homemade-pesticides/

http://www.countryfarm-lifestyles.co...esticides.html

http://apps.caes.uga.edu/sbof/main/l...ePesticide.pdf


Two notes; do not use nicotine products on tomatoes or peppers
because of the possible spread of the tobacco mosaic virus and know
the difference between soap and detergent.

good luck.

In article ,
DavidofWales wrote:

Hi I'm wondering if I could boil some tobaco in water and use the
resulting solution to spray on vedge as an insecticde? If so, what are
the ratios and will my vedge be ok to eat or will they become toxic?
Will they even be damaged by the spray?

If not does anybody else know of any cheap homemade alternatives to the
store bought stuff. I'm really trying to keep costs to a minimum this
year givien my skintness!

Many thanks

Dave

Tobacco tea should only be used on ornamentals, not food crops.
Sevin should not be used. It kills pollinators. It kills everything.
--
- Billy
³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.²
-Archbishop Helder Camara
http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html

Billy wrote:
In article ,
DavidofWales wrote:

Hi I'm wondering if I could boil some tobaco in water and use the
resulting solution to spray on vedge as an insecticde? If so, what are
the ratios and will my vedge be ok to eat or will they become toxic?
Will they even be damaged by the spray?

If not does anybody else know of any cheap homemade alternatives to the
store bought stuff. I'm really trying to keep costs to a minimum this
year givien my skintness!

Many thanks

Dave

Tobacco tea should only be used on ornamentals, not food crops.
Sevin should not be used. It kills pollinators. It kills everything.

Why should Tabasco tea only be used on ornamentals?
If it is not good for food crops why exclude ornamentals. Does tobacco tea
not kill bees also? After all is it an insecticide or just gives the bugs a
bad taste?

I found this site interesting:
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/l...521218483.html

The main topic states "One drop on your skin can make you very sick".
There is an argument about also killing bees in the second response.

I am amazed that people are making teas from tobacco. Learn something new
today

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

In article ,
Nad R wrote:

Billy wrote:
In article ,
DavidofWales wrote:

Hi I'm wondering if I could boil some tobaco in water and use the
resulting solution to spray on vedge as an insecticde? If so, what are
the ratios and will my vedge be ok to eat or will they become toxic?
Will they even be damaged by the spray?

If not does anybody else know of any cheap homemade alternatives to the
store bought stuff. I'm really trying to keep costs to a minimum this
year givien my skintness!

Many thanks

Dave

Tobacco tea should only be used on ornamentals, not food crops.
Sevin should not be used. It kills pollinators. It kills everything.

Why should Tabasco tea only be used on ornamentals?
If it is not good for food crops why exclude ornamentals. Does tobacco tea
not kill bees also? After all is it an insecticide or just gives the bugs a
bad taste?

I found this site interesting:
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/l...521218483.html

The main topic states "One drop on your skin can make you very sick".
There is an argument about also killing bees in the second response.

I am amazed that people are making teas from tobacco. Learn something new
today

It is a insecticide. It isn't good for you to eat. 40–60Â*mg
(0.5-1.0Â*mg/kg) can be a lethal dosage for adult humans.
--
- Billy
“When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.�
-Archbishop Helder Camara
http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html

Gunner wrote:
DavidofWales

As you can read people here like to share their opinions and
frequently inquire as to your mental health. These helpful opinions
are largely based on urban mythology and their personal preferences.
Facts and answers tend to be quite a different story.

I mostly left out the usual recycled greenie news propaganda sources
and gave you some Educational resources except for the *-lifestyles
link which seemed to be rather good basic info. The Colorado State
link is general info on nicotine products with its homepage below it
if you want further info. Just know nicotine is not the Antichrist's
power drink as outlined but use chewing tobacco. A common sense
approach to preparing and using any pesticide should be a sufficient
disclaimer.


Not necessarily.

Commercial pesticides come with all kinds of warnings and the more toxic the
substance the more strident the warnings. Tobacco comes with warnings (in
this country anyway) about the dangers of smoking it but say nothing about
making tea with it. The warnings are all about damage caused by long term
use not short term poisoning. These warnings doesn't translate to users
being aware that you can also poison yourself by ingesting the tea. Given
that the use of tobacco is still very prevalent and people don't drop dead
on the street from smoking it may seem, not knowing any better, that the tea
is fairly benign.

Under these circumstances I don't think it is excessive (Antichrist's power
drink!) to tell people that the tea is very toxic. It might not be any more
toxic than some commercial insecticides but it isn't labelled as such and
until you know that it is dangerous 'common sense' might be to handle it
without much thought like you handle other tobacco products.

David

Hi, thanks to everyone who gave me valuable information and the links to other relevant web pages. As you nice people and constructive posters can see this is my third post, and I would like to give a forum a chance before I leave it. These thanks exclude the first poster Nad as they called me stupid.

If Nad had bothered to read my post properly asking for help Nad wouldn't of bothered replying in such a way that makes themselfes come across (I'm not saying they are) but come across like an obnoxious, nasally spoken know it all with far too many references to television programmes. God I cringed and felt embarrassed for Nad when I read their reply!

OK I've been thinking about using the nicotine extracted from Nicotiana Tobbacum as it's a natural mechanism of defence against insects. I've just realised it's a broad spectrum insecticide and will therefore not be using it on my vedge. I want as much predatory wildlife in my garden as much as I don't want pests!

I think I'm going to try the soap methods and plant some marigolds amongst my rows. I've read some interesting information on caffeine as an insecticide but if you get the concentration wrong it may scorch the foliage. In a low enough concentration it might just act as a deterrent. I’ll try it when there's an outbreak of pests on my patch.

Again, thanks to all those who have contributed information constructively.

DavidofWales wrote:
Hi, thanks to everyone who gave me valuable information and the links to
other relevant web pages. As you nice people and constructive posters
can see this is my third post, and I would like to give a forum a chance
before I leave it. These thanks exclude the first poster Nad as they
called me stupid.

If Nad had bothered to read my post properly asking for help Nad
wouldn't of bothered replying in such a way that makes themselfes come
across (I'm not saying they are) but come across like an obnoxious,
nasally spoken know it all with far too many references to television
programmes. God I cringed and felt embarrassed for Nad when I read
their reply!

OK I've been thinking about using the nicotine extracted from Nicotiana
Tobbacum as it's a natural mechanism of defence against insects. I've
just realised it's a broad spectrum insecticide and will therefore not
be using it on my vedge. I want as much predatory wildlife in my garden
as much as I don't want pests!

I think I'm going to try the soap methods and plant some marigolds
amongst my rows. I've read some interesting information on caffeine as
an insecticide but if you get the concentration wrong it may scorch the
foliage. In a low enough concentration it might just act as a
deterrent. I’ll try it when there's an outbreak of pests on my patch.

Again, thanks to all those who have contributed information
constructively.


These thanks exclude the first poster Nad as they called me stupid.

No problem here, enjoy life

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

In article ,
DavidofWales wrote:

Hi, thanks to everyone who gave me valuable information and the links to
other relevant web pages. As you nice people and constructive posters
can see this is my third post, and I would like to give a forum a chance
before I leave it. These thanks exclude the first poster Nad as they
called me stupid.

If Nad had bothered to read my post properly asking for help Nad
wouldn't of bothered replying in such a way that makes themselfes come
across (I'm not saying they are) but come across like an obnoxious,
nasally spoken know it all with far too many references to television
programmes. God I cringed and felt embarrassed for Nad when I read
their reply!

OK I've been thinking about using the nicotine extracted from Nicotiana
Tobbacum as it's a natural mechanism of defence against insects. I've
just realised it's a broad spectrum insecticide and will therefore not
be using it on my vedge. I want as much predatory wildlife in my garden
as much as I don't want pests!

I think I'm going to try the soap methods and plant some marigolds
amongst my rows. I've read some interesting information on caffeine as
an insecticide but if you get the concentration wrong it may scorch the
foliage. In a low enough concentration it might just act as a
deterrent. I’ll try it when there's an outbreak of pests on my patch.

Again, thanks to all those who have contributed information
constructively.

Usually, if you have too many pests, something that eats them eventually
turns up.
--
- Billy
³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.²
-Archbishop Helder Camara

http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html