"Bob F" wrote:
Nad R wrote:
Michigan is not like California, fresh water is cheap and plentiful
here. The reason people do not like Michigan is the long cold winters.

I don't like Michigan because of the climate. Hot and humid summers, cold
winters.

I like the change. I will watch the fireworks from a friends boat on Lake
St Clair on the 4th. Happy 4th of July

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Very clever idea. A planned leak, but good for slow
watering. Thank you.

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"Brooklyn1" Gravesend1 wrote in message
...

If you drill a 3/16" hole on the side near the
bottom of the bucket it will drip
water for a plant for several hours.

I've seen 1/2, 5/8, and 3/4. What other sizes have you
found, for garden hose?

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"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...

A 500 foot garden hose isn't going to pass much water.



it'll pass as much water as a same sized poly or pvc.

Exactly. That's why you use larger poly or PVC than the
common garden hose.



OR you could use a larger garden hose. duh.


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Thanks for the field report. Maybe it does last a while?

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"Harry K" wrote in message
...

I laid a "temporary line" some 200 ft with a 50' side branch
with
mostly 3/4" PVC (white) on top of the ground to water newly
planted
trees in 1977. Pulled it about 15 years later. Had a few
leaks each
spring but fittings are very cheap and patching is nothing
but a
hacksaw and tube of glue. Currently using pieces of that
same pipe
for another 'temporary' line to bypass a busted frost free
hydrant
(can't replace without digging through a mass of tree
roots). That
lien is also above ground and only needed one patch this
spring
(usually there are several). Line has been in place over
10 years.

Harry K

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
On 7/1/2011 4:31 AM, FarmI wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
First thing comes to mind, is sunlight and the UV rays. So,
what you use should be UV resistant.

White PVC tubing might work for a while. The cost of
fittings might add up. Typically sold in 10 foot lengths,
and the tubing is relatively rigid.

White PVC will be weakened by UV. Works great buried.


The new "Pex" stuff they sell for indoor water tubing may
work, but not sure how UV resistant it is.

Most Pex is easily damaged by UV.


They also sell some grey tubing for electrical conduit,
which might be more UV resistant, but not sure it's used for
outdoor water.

It's not rated for that.

Which brings us back to black poly pipe.

Ah! Thank you for mentioning it. Given all the other posts where there
has
been no mention of black polypipe except for a very early post, but some
other things I've never heard of and UV, I was beginning to wonder if
black
polypipe hadn't made it to US.



Back in the late 1950's and early 1960's, 2 inch black poly pipe is what
my father used to get water from our spring's pump house to the
water system at our home on the farm. We had to make sure the buried
pipe was in a bed of sand because 200 yards of plastic pipe will move
when pressurized. On more than one occasion a small stone would rub
a hole into the pipe so we had to dig it up, patch the pipe with a plastic
coupling then rebury it with sand around it. I remember the
pipe as having a fairly thick wall and not being very flexible.

That's interesting and different from our experience.

We use 2 inch poly runnin goff the pump on our dam and leading up to the
tank on the hill to gravity feed for the toilets and the garden and it'd be
about 200 yards in distance. It's not buried , must have been there about
20 years by now and we've never had any trouble from it. We dont' ever run
that pump flat out though - just putttering alone at about half speeed
(dont' ask me why because I don't know). The ants use teh poly as an ant
superhighway, but I guess their tracks aren't doing anything much to wear
it. The only trouble we've had with any 2 inch poly was buried and was in
the gravity feed section. It started leaking and had to be dug up and fixed
and then reburied, but I think it might have been a tree root that caused it
to rupture.

I'm a huge fan of polypipe as I can repair most of it myself without ever
having called upon Himself to do it.

"Nad R" wrote in message
...
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Nad R" wrote in message

However I did state that I tend to use a soaker hose that I do not raise
the tail of the hose. The sprayer does not work very good because it
does
lack pressure.

If you have low water pressure, I can recommend these:
http://www.greenharvest.com.au/tools...kler_prod.html

The spiky little head in the middle is like a small basket that wobbles.
The wobble action throws the spay quite wide even if the pressure is
woeful.
Here's another variant:
http://www.wobble-tee.com.au/

That is something I did not believe existed.

Given that Australia is the driest inhabited continent, we tend to have a
LOT of solutions to water problems. Also given that our population is
sparse in comparison to other lands, those solutions tend to be low tech as
the support networks aren't there for professionals to make a motza out of
support.

"Colbyt" wrote in message
...

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
u...
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
First thing comes to mind, is sunlight and the UV rays. So,
what you use should be UV resistant.

White PVC tubing might work for a while.

I have black polypipe that's been in the sunlight for up to 20 years.
The biggest danger to my black polypipe has been from my garden fork and
frost popping the connectors off.


quoteBlack HDPE pipe containing 2 to 2.5% carbon black can be safely
stored outside in the sun without damage from UV exposure. /quote
source: http://www.polymoldproducts.com/PE_PIPES.htm

Some poly pipe can take it and some apparently can not.

It'd be as useless as tits on a man's back if it couldnt' be used out in the
sun in Australia.

"James" wrote:

My faucets at the cabin are based on the cabin water system, which is a
well, with a pressure tank in the basement. I get good pressure (60 psi),
and the poly pipe will not go uphill.

I am talking about watering a few plants and bushes,
I just dont' want to constantly drag hoses around. That
is all that this is about. I don't need much pressure at
the end, just enough to do some light watering.

For what you describe it would be asinine to install a grid of piping
all over six acres... your idea is way over kill, it's beyond over
kill, it's as stupid as stupid gets... you're not growing crops. And
with shrubs and trees once they're established it's not a good idea to
water them unless there is a protracted dry spell or young plants
won't develop a strong deep root system... when properly planted and
mulched you really shouldn't need to water such plants after the first
growing season, unless as I've said, there's a real dry spell... and
native wildflowers need no watering, most do better if not watered. A
newly planted sapling/shrub doesn't need much watering, five gallons
once a week is all, and that's if it doesn't rain. And you don't want
to water fast and heavy, you want to water slowly, so it can sink in
and not run off. And from experience I can tell you that it never
fails, right after you finish a whole lot of watering because
everything is so dry the sky opens up and there's a deluge. All you
need is a garden tractor, a cart, and a bunch of buckets, a riding
lawn mower will do for occasional water hauling. And with six acres a
tractor and cart is manditory to save your legs, it will probably get
used every day hauling you and a mess of tools and materials to do
some project, but you'll hardly ever water that smattering of plants,
once growing probably never. I were you I'd be much more concerned
about critters eating your plants... and if you water you'll attract
more critters, critters would much rather dine on the juiciest plants.
Most critters are nocturnal, while you're sleeping they'll be
ferreting out those nice moist soft spots you left them, they will dig
down and eat your plant's roots, you won't even know until one day you
notice your plant is dying. Oh well, most everyone learns the hard
way.

On 7/1/2011 7:13 PM, Bob F wrote:
Steve Barker wrote:
On 6/30/2011 11:00 PM, Bob F wrote:
Steve Barker wrote:
On 6/30/2011 9:22 AM, Bob F wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
80 cents a foot? That's more pricey than garden hose?

A 500 foot garden hose isn't going to pass much water.



it'll pass as much water as a same sized poly or pvc.

Exactly. That's why you use larger poly or PVC than the common
garden hose.

OR you could use a larger garden hose. duh.

Do you have a 1" or 1.5" garden hose?



Have some 1". yes.

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On 7/1/2011 8:28 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've seen 1/2, 5/8, and 3/4. What other sizes have you
found, for garden hose?


it also comes in 1"


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On 7/1/2011 8:28 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've seen 1/2, 5/8, and 3/4. What other sizes have you
found, for garden hose?



http://www.factorydirecthose.com/sit...2/page/3845476

http://www.gemplers.com/product/1258...en-Garden-Hose

http://www.nextag.com/1-inch-water-hose/products-html

http://www.google.com/products/catal...ed=0CGgQ8wIwBA


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"Nad R" wrote in message
...
Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:.

Will likely never hear from that poster again... lots of new large
property owners think exactly the same thing, they are going to pipe
their irrigation water... just won't work unless one spends a LOT of
bucks. Originally I thought I would pipe water but fortunately all I
did was buy ten 100' lengths of 5/8" Swan garden hose... first time I
charged just three lenghts and tried to drag it about I knew I ****ed
up, could give ya a hernia. But that hose was on sale at Lowe's for
$10 each and ten years later I'm still using that hose, some is on my
hose reels, so no loss. I even have two lengths still unused. Each
length came with one of those multi-spray nozzles, cheapo plastic, all
are shit canned... ever you buy a nozzle be sure it's metal.

I also started off with buried lines, i removed the worthless expensive
lines. I now use light weight hoses with quick connect links and use a
garden wagon to move the segments around. I do not use the hose that often
perhaps one a week on average. I had those heavy duty hoses at first, I
have them still, but they can cause a hernia. I like the light weight
ones.
It would take more time for me fill barrels and get the tractor out that
for me to use hoses.

You've failed the boy and his toy test. Boys love to play with tractors. I
use hoses with click clack connectors onto the ends of my polypipe, but then
I'm not a boy.

"SMS" wrote in message
On 7/1/2011 5:23 PM, Bob F wrote:
Brooklyn1 wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 22:42:57 -0700,
wrote:

On 6/29/2011 4:30 PM, James Nipper wrote:

Any ideas of what I should look for, or use ? Any general ideas
of how to accomplish what I am trying to do ?

Remember that PVC pipe deteriorates in the sun unless painted.

Buy 20' lengths of 1" PVC at an irrigation supply house, don't go to
Home Depot or Lowe's.

For a large job such as described by the OP 20' lenghts will cause
lots of leaking problems, and short lengths can't be laid by
machine... Home Depot, Lowes, and any plumbing supply emporium sells
tubing in spools of several hundred feet. You can buy 300' rolls of
1" PVC from Amazon with free shipping:
http://www.amazon.com/Genova-Product...ef=pd_sim_ol_2

Would still be easier and less costly to haul water as needed.

That's poly, not PVC.



I would definitely avoid the poly unless he wants to be replacing it every
couple of years.

Poly is not PVC. Poly does not have problems from UV and doesn't need
replacing every few years. I have poly that has been in use above ground
for 20 years.

If you glue couplers properly there will be no leaks.

It's UV deterioration that he needs to worry about. When PVC is installed
exposed to the sun it needs to be painted.

Everyone has recommended that the OP use poly not PVC. Poly is short for
polyethylene.

On 7/1/2011 9:07 PM, FarmI wrote:
"The Daring wrote in message
...
On 7/1/2011 4:31 AM, FarmI wrote:
"Bob wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
First thing comes to mind, is sunlight and the UV rays. So,
what you use should be UV resistant.

White PVC tubing might work for a while. The cost of
fittings might add up. Typically sold in 10 foot lengths,
and the tubing is relatively rigid.

White PVC will be weakened by UV. Works great buried.


The new "Pex" stuff they sell for indoor water tubing may
work, but not sure how UV resistant it is.

Most Pex is easily damaged by UV.


They also sell some grey tubing for electrical conduit,
which might be more UV resistant, but not sure it's used for
outdoor water.

It's not rated for that.

Which brings us back to black poly pipe.

Ah! Thank you for mentioning it. Given all the other posts where there
has
been no mention of black polypipe except for a very early post, but some
other things I've never heard of and UV, I was beginning to wonder if
black
polypipe hadn't made it to US.



Back in the late 1950's and early 1960's, 2 inch black poly pipe is what
my father used to get water from our spring's pump house to the
water system at our home on the farm. We had to make sure the buried
pipe was in a bed of sand because 200 yards of plastic pipe will move
when pressurized. On more than one occasion a small stone would rub
a hole into the pipe so we had to dig it up, patch the pipe with a plastic
coupling then rebury it with sand around it. I remember the
pipe as having a fairly thick wall and not being very flexible.

That's interesting and different from our experience.

We use 2 inch poly runnin goff the pump on our dam and leading up to the
tank on the hill to gravity feed for the toilets and the garden and it'd be
about 200 yards in distance. It's not buried , must have been there about
20 years by now and we've never had any trouble from it. We dont' ever run
that pump flat out though - just putttering alone at about half speeed
(dont' ask me why because I don't know). The ants use teh poly as an ant
superhighway, but I guess their tracks aren't doing anything much to wear
it. The only trouble we've had with any 2 inch poly was buried and was in
the gravity feed section. It started leaking and had to be dug up and fixed
and then reburied, but I think it might have been a tree root that caused it
to rupture.

I'm a huge fan of polypipe as I can repair most of it myself without ever
having called upon Himself to do it.



My dad never knew I was responsible for leaks in some of the hose that
was coiled up and not installed. It seems that a .22 bullet will travel
a long way so you better know what's behind your targets. ^_^

TDD

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
"Nad R" wrote in message
...
Brooklyn1 Gravesend1 wrote:.

Will likely never hear from that poster again... lots of new large
property owners think exactly the same thing, they are going to pipe
their irrigation water... just won't work unless one spends a LOT of
bucks. Originally I thought I would pipe water but fortunately all I
did was buy ten 100' lengths of 5/8" Swan garden hose... first time I
charged just three lenghts and tried to drag it about I knew I ****ed
up, could give ya a hernia. But that hose was on sale at Lowe's for
$10 each and ten years later I'm still using that hose, some is on my
hose reels, so no loss. I even have two lengths still unused. Each
length came with one of those multi-spray nozzles, cheapo plastic, all
are shit canned... ever you buy a nozzle be sure it's metal.

I also started off with buried lines, i removed the worthless expensive
lines. I now use light weight hoses with quick connect links and use a
garden wagon to move the segments around. I do not use the hose that often
perhaps one a week on average. I had those heavy duty hoses at first, I
have them still, but they can cause a hernia. I like the light weight
ones.
It would take more time for me fill barrels and get the tractor out that
for me to use hoses.

You've failed the boy and his toy test. Boys love to play with tractors. I
use hoses with click clack connectors onto the ends of my polypipe, but then
I'm not a boy.

Ouch!

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)