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In article , Mike
writes "David" wrote in message .. . In article , Kate Morgan writes Thank you Rusty a good idea and thank you Mike, I have never been up in the roof, I am told it is very interesting up there, worth considering :-) kate Just my two pennorth worth, I would get a local builder in as advised, I wouldn't go knocking holes in the chimney breast unless you really know what you are getting into, having dismantled a few chimneys... they can be of all sorts of shapes, sizes and of a varying thickness so I would use this idea as almost a last resort (the last would be dismantling it) especially if the property has been in the hands of a DIY Renovator/Restorer :-(( My present hose had been in the hands of one of those and he/she removed the chimney breast from the rooms below and left the chimney stack in the roof supported on a length of 3 x 2 stretched across the rafters!! Now removed. The previous house was the same. 'Electrical rewire' and cables going ACROSS the joists and floorboards laid across those. We wondered what the burning smell was!! Same house. Partition to make a passageway to the extension and new bedrooms at the back made of 'any old timber' bodged together. We wondered why they rocked and were not too secure. Get the oldest builder you can find. Not some of these "We do everything. Plumbing, Gardening, Electrical, Extensions" and by 'oldest builder', I mean the oldest "established" builder in your area. People have taken great delight in jumping on me as though I talk crap. Sorry but I have been there, done that, got the tee shirt, nearly had my house burnt down, nearly had a chimney stack through the roof, thanks to DIY ers who 'have done it before so we know what we are doing' ..... Yes Sacha YOU Mike But you do talk crap a lot of the time Mike and then you are also an unpleasant bully -- David |
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Oh dear, Oh dear, Oh dear. She who has me killfiled raises her wrath again,
AND dares to call me a liar!! Yes I did ONCE lie on a newsgroup, possibly this one, and our bosom friend Andy Mabbett jumped up and down with glee and STILL likes to quote it :-))) Mike Who never knowingly tells lies Does he Mabbett? |
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, like finding out after
purchase that someone removed the chimney breasts without providing adequate support for the chimney stacks :-) Thank you. As I quoted in my house :-((( |
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But you do talk crap a lot of the time Mike and then you are also an unpleasant bully -- David "BULLY"??????? That title can be made on "The Owners" who tell others what they can do and what they cannot do. "Do as I say, not as I do" appears to be their motto. "I've been gardening since Adam and I know all there is to know. How dare you question what I say. I don't care if you are doing an RHS Course" Have you seen that thread from the Barrowcloth? "I have rebuilt umpteen houses so I know what I am talking about. How dare you give advice when I know everything to do with rebuilding houses" Yes that as well As I said once before, "Aggression and Control" in gardening seems a little strange to me in what is a very close contact with nature. But then the penny dropped, these are people used to being aggressive and 'Controlling nature to how THEY want things to be in the garden and greenhouse, so it spills out here. Perhaps there should be a motto for gardeners. "Gardening is left outside with the muddy boots, control and aggression" :-)) Mike Who doesn't knowingly tell lies Does he Mabbett? |
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michael adams wrote:
[...] Whereas if you ask a builder, no matter how old he is etc. etc. he has an incentive to make a meal of it by erecting scaffolding and making as much of a fuss, and charging as much, as he can. [...] [Sharp intake of breath] Good job you called me in, love! Those chimneys need repointing all over or they'll come through the roof in the next gale, and I don't know who did that flashing, but I can tell without looking you've got leaks into the attic: next thing, it'll be rot in the timbers, if it hasn't started already, shouldn't wonder. And the TV aerial! Blimey, what a mess! Too many cowboys around these days. You do know about those loose slates, don't you? While we're up there, it won't cost you much more to fit a nice Velux roof-light: make that attic into a lovely extra room. Plasterboard lining, bit of flooring... -- Mike. |
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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... michael adams wrote: [...] Whereas if you ask a builder, no matter how old he is etc. etc. he has an incentive to make a meal of it by erecting scaffolding and making as much of a fuss, and charging as much, as he can. [...] [Sharp intake of breath] Good job you called me in, love! Those chimneys need repointing all over or they'll come through the roof in the next gale, and I don't know who did that flashing, but I can tell without looking you've got leaks into the attic: next thing, it'll be rot in the timbers, if it hasn't started already, shouldn't wonder. And the TV aerial! Blimey, what a mess! Too many cowboys around these days. You do know about those loose slates, don't you? While we're up there, it won't cost you much more to fit a nice Velux roof-light: make that attic into a lovely extra room. Plasterboard lining, bit of flooring... -- Mike. THAT is why I advocated an old reliable LOCAL builder who is known, knows the property, and knows the area. Jumping on the 'Let's see if we can argue with everyone' Band Wagon are we? Sad :-(( |
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In article , Mike
writes But you do talk crap a lot of the time Mike and then you are also an unpleasant bully -- David "BULLY"??????? That title can be made on "The Owners" who tell others what they can do and what they cannot do. "Do as I say, not as I do" appears to be their motto. "I've been gardening since Adam and I know all there is to know. How dare you question what I say. I don't care if you are doing an RHS Course" Have you seen that thread from the Barrowcloth? "I have rebuilt umpteen houses so I know what I am talking about. How dare you give advice when I know everything to do with rebuilding houses" Yes that as well As I said once before, "Aggression and Control" in gardening seems a little strange to me in what is a very close contact with nature. But then the penny dropped, these are people used to being aggressive and 'Controlling nature to how THEY want things to be in the garden and greenhouse, so it spills out here. Perhaps there should be a motto for gardeners. "Gardening is left outside with the muddy boots, control and aggression" Do you want to read that back to yourself? control and aggression?? fits quite nicely in a lot of your posts, no wonder you run an ex servicemens group, you must have fitted in very well while you were in. The sooner they bring back conscription the better eh? and the infantile mispronunciation of surnames... I left that sort of thing in the playground, why don't you try growing up a little? -- David |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... , like finding out after purchase that someone removed the chimney breasts without providing adequate support for the chimney stacks :-) Thank you. As I quoted in my house :-((( The old proverb, 'look before you leap' is most appropriate where property purchase is concerned :-) |
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"David" wrote in message ... In article , Mike writes But you do talk crap a lot of the time Mike and then you are also an unpleasant bully -- David "BULLY"??????? That title can be made on "The Owners" who tell others what they can do and what they cannot do. "Do as I say, not as I do" appears to be their motto. "I've been gardening since Adam and I know all there is to know. How dare you question what I say. I don't care if you are doing an RHS Course" Have you seen that thread from the Barrowcloth? "I have rebuilt umpteen houses so I know what I am talking about. How dare you give advice when I know everything to do with rebuilding houses" Yes that as well As I said once before, "Aggression and Control" in gardening seems a little strange to me in what is a very close contact with nature. But then the penny dropped, these are people used to being aggressive and 'Controlling nature to how THEY want things to be in the garden and greenhouse, so it spills out here. Perhaps there should be a motto for gardeners. "Gardening is left outside with the muddy boots, control and aggression" Do you want to read that back to yourself? control and aggression?? fits quite nicely in a lot of your posts, no wonder you run an ex servicemens group, you must have fitted in very well while you were in. The sooner they bring back conscription the better eh? and the infantile mispronunciation of surnames... I left that sort of thing in the playground, why don't you try growing up a little? -- David :-(( Oh dear David. Been listening too much to "The Owners". Not done you any good at all. :-(( |
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Mike wrote:
[...] Jumping on the 'Let's see if we can argue with everyone' Band Wagon are we? Sad :-(( I'm regretting replying to you even before I get well started. But I was, in fact, not arguing but agreeing. |
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Kate Morgan wrote: I am an OAP and I dont think I could knock the skin of a rice pudding - not really that feeble and I would eat the rice pudding skin especially if it were burnt - but thank you for your concern and interest, it will be local builder and raiding the piggy bank I think :-) Hello Kate. My 4 pennies worth .... My builders just left last week end after 6 weeks doing my loft. I live in a edwardian house 103 years old 3 storeys and we had 3 velux in, 2 large windows from roof to floor level and we're really happy. However, please call someone in to be with you when the builders come around so that another pair of ears can understand what needs doing and explain the job at hand. We're just over 3 thousand pounds on our budget because of 'these little extra things' like chimney mortar turning into dust as soon as you touch the bricks. Didn't sound like a big deal - but it costed us a lot. These birds of yours might cost you more than you might have in the piggy bank. I was surprised at the amount the contractors wanted!! Good luck. |
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"La puce" wrote in message oups.com... Kate Morgan wrote: I am an OAP and I dont think I could knock the skin of a rice pudding - not really that feeble and I would eat the rice pudding skin especially if it were burnt - but thank you for your concern and interest, it will be local builder and raiding the piggy bank I think :-) Hello Kate. My 4 pennies worth .... My builders just left last week end after 6 weeks doing my loft. I live in a edwardian house 103 years old 3 storeys and we had 3 velux in, 2 large windows from roof to floor level and we're really happy. However, please call someone in to be with you when the builders come around so that another pair of ears can understand what needs doing and explain the job at hand. We're just over 3 thousand pounds on our budget because of 'these little extra things' like chimney mortar turning into dust as soon as you touch the bricks. Didn't sound like a big deal - but it costed us a lot. These birds of yours might cost you more than you might have in the piggy bank. I was surprised at the amount the contractors wanted!! Good luck. I wholeheartedly agree with you, but would add the proviso that 'everything' is done to a quote and a written one at that. Yes I am well aware that 'hidden' things can be found when a floorboard is lifted or the wallpaper taken off an old wall, but even there, a written quote should be provided and a reputable builder/decorator/plaster/electrician/plumber will be happy to provide one, and Kate, do you know the difference between a quote and an estimate? Please excuse me if you do, but a quote is a fixed price and an estimate is variable and by no fixed amount. ALL of the jobs I have done are on a fixed quote and none of them have been over budget. New roof, new kitchen in a new place and another room made from the old kitchen, all windows replaced with double glazed ones, full central heating etc etc. BUT, ALL of the work is done by local reputable tradesmen and craftsmen, many I know socially and have worked with on other projects. That is why I emphisise the local man, who is well established. Now the experts who have done it before will rip me to shreds :-)) Carry on. YOU have the last silly word Mike |
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The message
from "Mike" contains these words: My present hose had been in the hands of one of those TMI! -- Rusty horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message k
from Sacha contains these words: Anyway, it's sound advice to consult a competent professional on property matters. It might even prevent unpleasant surprises, like finding out after purchase that someone removed the chimney breasts without providing adequate support for the chimney stacks :-) I have actually known that happen to one person - luckily they weren't living in the house when most of the chimney arrived in their living room. I know someone else who had that (though not the falling bit) - but fortunately, when he came to buy the house he got loads knocked-off the selling price. And I was talking to someone else who said they'd removed the chimneybreast downstairs. I said I hoped it was properly supported and she replied: "Oh yes, there's a JCB holding it up." Well, it's got a 'J' in it innit. -- Rusty horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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