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Janet wrote:
Always and in every group, you have to have a victim, someone to bully and belittle. Yours is a most ugly character. Still projecting, I see. Hush, trolls should be in bed by now. |
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Janet wrote:
Anyone know when the first frost date is due? Duh, seasonal temperatures vary across the UK. Oh well obviously I never knew that, Janet, because otherwise you wouldn't be able to treat me like some kind of stupid child. If you knew it why ask. At what point did I ask "is the seasonal temperature across the UK consistant?" or anything even vaguely like that? Baz provided what looks like a very useful rough guide, with an ability to adjust for location, which perfectly answered the question. I now have my answer of a rough time, which is not this month, which is what I expected, but after the cold night earier this week, I thought it best to check. Having just been in the garden at 1am to help my neighbour retrieve her yappy dog, it feels pretty damned cold, though. You know, for the amount of occasionally useful or entertaining comments you make, I really can see why some people choose to killfile you. Can you see why people treat you like some kind of stupid child? Not people, Janet, not people. Anyhow. As someone much more sensible than me often said, I tire of this nonsense. You are nothing but a grumpy troll, and I should know better than to feed you, especially after midnight. I shall endeavour to show restraint in future, oh trollious one. |
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Baz wrote:
snipped You can use this url below and set your area at the top of the page. http://gardenaction.co.uk/fruit_veg_...eg_planner.asp If you have any problems with it give me a yell. Baz I had a look at the site and it seems advert free to me. However, the time and date frame is set to events in Mid March and I can see no way to alter it to the present date. Peter |
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Martin wrote: Baz provided what looks like a very useful rough guide, with an ability to adjust for location, which perfectly answered the question. The fact it claims to be "adjustable for location" does not mean the results are accurate. Simple testing shows they are not. According to it, every listed Scottish city from Highlands to gulfstream warmed West coast, share identical first and last frost dates; mid Oct and early May. Ludicrously wrong on all counts. Far from"perfectly answering the question" it's a useless gimmick. The Met Office website climate pages group info by region in a similarly useless way. I suggest that you look at the Climate FAQ, which won't answer your question, but may explain why there can be no answer to your question. First or last frost dates are a nearly completely useless concept in the UK. Expressed in layman's terms, even the normal variation is very large, and exceptional frosts can occur at any time, even in many of the 'warmer' parts of the UK. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Martin wrote: I suggest that you look at the Climate FAQ, which won't answer your question, but may explain why there can be no answer to your question. Vicki's question. Sorry. Since I wrote that FAQ, I have tended not to follow threads on this topic until they start to be annoying. My suggestion stands, but redirected. I really could do without the atrocious dumbing-down of public 'information' - while what the Metereological Office says is true, it is dumbed-down so far that it is grossly misleading to anyone who is NOT an expert! As Thurber said in The Bear Who Let It Alone: You may as well fall flat on your face as lean over too far backwards. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Dave Hill wrote in
: On Sep 17, 9:27*pm, Mike Lyle wrote: On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 10:39:38 -0700 (PDT), Dave Hillda...@abacus-nurserie s.co.uk wrote: [...] I always believe first frosts come in the 3 days either side of full moon, so you've got away with this month next will be between 9th and 15th of October if there is a clear sky. Then it's 7th to 13th November, but if the last couple of years here in South Wales are anything to go by that could be tyhe start of our snow. Just remember, it does help if you say where you are in the UK. Yep, that's true. Y'see, at the time of the full moon the gravitational forces are concentrated, and they pull away the Earth's protective layer of water vapour, thus letting in the cold from outer space. My shaman explained it to me. -- Mike. Someone has to say it........ According to the ITV3 prog guide we are due for A touch of Frost tonight Very good. Baz |
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"Janet" wrote in message ... In article , says... On 2011-09-17 23:57:59 +0100, Janet said: In article , says... Always and in every group, you have to have a victim, someone to bully and belittle. Yours is a most ugly character. Still projecting, I see. Janet If that theory held water, Janet, you must be channelling Rosa Klebb. Projection has nothing to do with chanelling, and is not a "theory", it's a description used by psychiatrists to describe the neurotic pattern you so frequently demonstrate; accusing other people of your own behaviours. Janet .. .. Janet, please do not worry, she has to have a go and stamp her foot as 'The Authority of uk.rec.gardening' every so often, and towards someone, usually me, but it's you at present ;-)) Just look back at her postings and see what I mean. There is nearly ALWAYS someone in the firing line, she is never wrong. Perhaps someone should write to her family, I feel sure they are not aware of her postings ;-) Kindest regards Mike (Watch the flack now ;-)) -- .................................... Don't take life too seriously, you'll never get out alive. .................................... |
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 16:09:44 +0000, kay
wrote: 'Martin[_2_ Wrote: ;936911'] The Dutch Met Office website 'KNRM | Koninklijke Nederlandse Redding Maatschappij' (http://www.knrm.nl) gives probabilities, as you suggested the UK Met Office should, on their website. The Met Office gives probabilities of rainfall on their mountain area forecasts, and are currently carrying out an exercise to see what presentation of probabilities are best understood by the general public, with a view to introducing probabilities into the rest of their forecasts. Oh! You mean something like "Our forecast for tomorrow will probably be wrong!" Cheers Jake ============================================== Gardening at the less wet end of Swansea Bay but moved on from Tolkien; now half way through the complete Harry Potter. www.rivendell.org.uk |
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OK, it's great fun to mock the Met Office, but their forecasts for tomorrow are usually pretty good. They are certainly one of the things that cavers check before heading underground (along with records of recent rainfall, and indications of soil wetness and local water levels). Caving in active stream systems such as those in the Yorkshire Dales would be a good deal less safe if it weren't for the met Office.
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Martin wrote: Do the general public understand probabilities? Even if they don't that is no reason not to provide them for those who do. Many of them do, well enough - after all, they are the basis of almost all betting. Is the probability that the forecast is correct or, for example, that rain will occur? Obviously the latter. and that there is a 90-100% chance that yesterday's weather will occur again today. It's nothing like as high as that. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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In article , kay
writes OK, it's great fun to mock the Met Office, but their forecasts for tomorrow are usually pretty good. They are certainly one of the things that cavers check before heading underground (along with records of recent rainfall, and indications of soil wetness and local water levels). Caving in active stream systems such as those in the Yorkshire Dales would be a good deal less safe if it weren't for the met Office. Be interesting to see if this sudden heatwave arrives. With forecasts of up to 83 degrees in the middle of the week then onward to frost and snow, poor plants won't know what's hit them. Janet |
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On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 11:46:05 +0100, Janet Tweedy wrote:
Be interesting to see if this sudden heatwave arrives. With forecasts of up to 83 degrees in the middle of the week then onward to frost and snow, poor plants won't know what's hit them. There was quite a sharp ground frost at Edenhall near Penrith Wednesday last week... -- Cheers Dave. |
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