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Can anyone ID this for me, I'm useless at fungi.
Growing in our south facing front garden in grass, there are a number of them coming up and this is the oldest. A large Robinia pseudoacacia tortuosa was cut down nearby about a month ago. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bobhobd...7628125425937/ -- Regards Bob Hobden Posting to this Newsgroup from the W.of London. UK |
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It is so much easier in the flesh when you can get a much better idea of the texture of the thing, how slimy, how fragile, etc, you get used to the jizz of certain things. Now this ought to be fairly easy, is my initial thought, because there aren't many with such prominent rings on the stem. But I'm struggling.
My instinct is that it is a Lepiota of some kind. But my doubt comes from the fact that they usually have quite white gills, sometimes a little bit off-white. I can't quite tell from your photos if yours has gills that are too off-white to be consistent with that: certainly you'd expect the young ones to have white gills. There are about 60 species of Lepiota in Britain, and Phillips only gives about a third of them... Now the most common species with off-white gills and a ring like that is Honey Fungus, Armillaria spp, which is very variable in form, but they come in great clusters together, not individually like the ones in your photos, and are rarely as squat as yours, so I don't think it is that, you will be pleased to hear. A couple of other ringed genuses - Hygrophorus has slimy tops and waxy gills, so not very plausible; Hebeloma tends to remain convex capped and not with the scales like yours, and rarely so persistently ringed. A continental book I have mentions a genus called Limacella, which has white gills that can mature off-white, but Phillips doesn't have it, so it may not even be present here; or he may have included it in Lepiota, which it is very close to. It clearly isn't an Amanita, Agaricus or Coprinus, or near approximation to any of those. Finally there is that great dumping ground, Cortinarius, with very variable form and colouration, many have veils, a few have rings. There are about 230 species in Britain: they are nearly all uncommon, but there are so many species that together they are fairly frequent. Identifying Cortinarius is an expert job, and not many of those can be bothered. That Horse Whisperer bloke did himself a lot of damage eating a Cortinarius he thought, quite bizarrely, was a Chanterelle - the one he found was orange but that was about as far as the resemblance went. Some ideas for you to chew over, anyway. |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote
Can anyone ID this for me, I'm useless at fungi. Growing in our south facing front garden in grass, there are a number of them coming up and this is the oldest. A large Robinia pseudoacacia tortuosa was cut down nearby about a month ago. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bobhobd...7628125425937/ I've added some more photos, just taken, to the set... http://www.flickr.com/photos/bobhobd...7628125414607/ The cap and stem feel like a normal edible mushroom and the smell of the broken one is a nice mushroomy smell, quite pleasant. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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As well as a ring it appears that the stem has a bulb at the base although witout pulling it up it's difficult to be certain. I've followed through the keys in both Roger Phillips book as well as Marcel Bon's Mushrooms and toadstools and cant find anything that fits the bill. I thing to move forward we need a spore print taken to determine the spore colour. Also a description of it's colouring, and texture would be useful as it looks waxy to me How to do a spore print: Making Spore Prints (MushroomExpert.Com) |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "Bob Hobden" wrote Can anyone ID this for me, I'm useless at fungi. Growing in our south facing front garden in grass, there are a number of them coming up and this is the oldest. A large Robinia pseudoacacia tortuosa was cut down nearby about a month ago. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bobhobd...7628125425937/ I've added some more photos, just taken, to the set... http://www.flickr.com/photos/bobhobd...7628125414607/ The cap and stem feel like a normal edible mushroom and the smell of the broken one is a nice mushroomy smell, quite pleasant. -- Rozites caperatus? aka Pholiota caperata, aka Cortinarius caperatus. It seems to have a veil, and looks like the one in Roger Phillips' book. someone |
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From the further photos, it does now look as if it has a sticky veil when expanding, and a bulb, and it is much clearer that it has a scaly cap. The scaly cap rules out most of the options mentioned so far except Lepiota, Armillaria and Cortinarius. It has become clear it isn't Armillaria from the stipe shape including bulb. The gills look too far off-white for Lepiota, and it doesn't have a sticky veil. So, as Sherlock says, when you have excluded everything else... Sticky veil, non-white gills, bulb, all of these are consistent with a Cortinarius of some kind. But, as I said before, there are 200+ species growing here, nearly all are uncommon and not in the consumer books, so once you are dealing with a Cortinarius it is an expert job to get a positive id to species level, unless it is one of a few more frequent ones. Cortinarisu have a light or greyish brown spore print I think. |
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On which point, don't eat it. Rozites is edible, but Cortinarius includes some highly poisonous ones, and very few are known to be edible. Smell and taste are not an indication of edibility - the morituri (and a few lucky survivors) report that death caps are very tasty.
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"Granity" wrote
echinosum; Wrote: On which point, don't eat it. Rozites is edible, but Cortinarius includes some highly poisonous ones, and very few are known to be edible. Smell and taste are not an indication of edibility - the morituri (and a few lucky survivors) report that death caps are very tasty. As I said we need a spore print to move forward as the spore colour will help identify the family group I have the cap of one of the smaller ones on a white piece of paper in my garage covered with a large flowerpot. So we will so IDC. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Granity" wrote echinosum; Wrote: On which point, don't eat it. Rozites is edible, but Cortinarius includes some highly poisonous ones, and very few are known to be edible. Smell and taste are not an indication of edibility - the morituri (and a few lucky survivors) report that death caps are very tasty. As I said we need a spore print to move forward as the spore colour will help identify the family group I have the cap of one of the smaller ones on a white piece of paper in my garage covered with a large flowerpot. So we will so IDC. Just looked, the spore print is white with radial lines. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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"Granity" wrote ...
Bob Hobden Wrote: "Bob Hobden" wrote - "Granity" wrote- echinosum; Wrote:- On which point, don't eat it. Rozites is edible, but Cortinarius includes some highly poisonous ones, and very few are known to be edible. Smell and taste are not an indication of edibility - the morituri (and a few lucky survivors) report that death caps are very tasty.- As I said we need a spore print to move forward as the spore colour will help identify the family group - I have the cap of one of the smaller ones on a white piece of paper in my garage covered with a large flowerpot. So we will so IDC.- Just looked, the spore print is white with radial lines. In that case it limits it to the Lepiota family unfortunately the only ones that look like yours in my books grow in woods, the grassland ones bear no resemblance, however if you go through the family in 'Rogers Mushrooms | Mushroom Pictures & Mushroom Reference' (http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/) you may recognize it having seen it in the flesh so to speak Had a look at Lepiota on that site and any that I think may be it say it's got an un-mushroomy smell. This has a very pleasant mushroomy smell. the cap was smooth, like leather not scaly and the gills were a light yellow. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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