"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
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from "Doug Kanter" contains these words:

Remember, Janet, that this is a country where some people interpret our
constitution to mean that you can do anything you damned well please, as
long as it's within the law. So, try telling someone with a fat SUV that
it's silly to own one if they don't actually need a truck-type vehicle
for
towing or other similar purpose that's appropriate to such a vehicle.
Probably half the time, the response will be "Oh....it's OK...I can
afford
the gasoline". They'll completely miss the point that it's obscene to
waste
resources. The other typical response, if you mention air quality, is
that
"those environmentalists have yet to prove blah blah blah....".

Hah, I'm not falling for that old trick to get rid of me. I know at
least half of the fat SUV persons will reply "I have the right to bear
arms, lady, and I guess from your cute liddle accent you don't, which
makes you a loser in this here international discussion. BANG"

The trees have an uphill battle on their hands.

Do American trees have the right to bear arms too? Or just nuts and
fruits?

Janet

Most of the fruits I've met don't bear arms, although considering the
attitude of the nuts, they might want to reconsider. :-)

"Bourne Identity" wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 13:16:22 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

opined:


Even better: Get someone else to handle the problem for you. Call the
cops,
and keep calling them every time the stupid dog barks in the middle of the
night. They HATE dealing with this kind of stuff, so they, in turn, will
get
all over the animal control people, and if there are existing laws for
dealing with barking vermin, the barking will stop, or the dog will be
hauled off to the pound, where it will soon be put to death. That's the
right solution.


It is never the animal's fault. Never. It is always the fault of the
people
who leave animals out to bark incessantly. We have a neighbor who
constantly
gets puppies, then leaves them outside day and night with no shade, no
water,
and the poor thing whines and screams all day and night. One day I taped
a note
to their door with duct tape and I included my phone number. The guy
called me
to yell that the tape took the paint off his door. I said that's
horrible,
would you like me to paint your door for you?

He gave me all his credentials and where he works as a manager of an auto
parts
store (whoa) and said his wife, this or that...bla....

He then gave me their phone number and said to call if the dog makes
noise.
That very night at 4am the dog was non-stop screaming. I called them and
asked,
"don't you hear that..." She hung up on me and they got rid of the dog
the next
day.

People like that shouldn't have dogs, they are too irresponsible. It's
never
the dog's fault if it barks 24/7.

V

I agree. It's the peoples' fault. But, we are a backward society, so the
people are not taken to the pound, held for a period of time, and then
killed. Someday, maybe.

Uh oh. Chemical boy is off his meds again.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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William Wagner wrote:
No rusting junk about here just many bored barking dogs.

I have my daughter take care of the neighbors dog
when he's unruly. Here's a pic...

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"Doug Kanter" wrote:

Uh oh. Chemical boy is off his meds again.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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William Wagner wrote:
No rusting junk about here just many bored barking dogs.

I have my daughter take care of the neighbors dog
when he's unruly. Here's a pic...

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Who is chemical boy?

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"Bourne Identity" wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:52:30 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

opined:


I agree. It's the peoples' fault. But, we are a backward society, so the
people are not taken to the pound, held for a period of time, and then
killed. Someday, maybe.

Oop. I'm fervently opposed to the death penalty for any living being. Oh
well,
we almost agreed! I do feel we living in a very uncivilized society in
the
United States. The level of sophistication is low. The hinterland folk
have
toofusses, the northers have "not on my property," and the souf have guns
under
their jackets. It's a rough society. I liken it to barbaric times with
technology...what with the country only being a few hundred years old and
all.
Yeehaaaaaaaaaaa.

Well....I think all it takes if for a person to be bothered by someone
else's noise, and maybe they themselves become more considerate. I'm
apparently a light sleeper, so I assume everyone else is, too. I recently
began playing bass guitar again, after a 15 year hiatus. I wrote down my
phone number on some pieces of paper, visited each neighbor, and told them
"I really have no idea how far the sound carries when I practice. Please
call me if it bothers you". No calls yet.

I guess I'm a socialist. I care about the good of the many. What an asshole
I am.

"William Wagner" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Doug Kanter" wrote:

Uh oh. Chemical boy is off his meds again.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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William Wagner wrote:
No rusting junk about here just many bored barking dogs.

I have my daughter take care of the neighbors dog
when he's unruly. Here's a pic...

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Who is chemical boy?

iHe's a guy who's in the business of selling lawn chemicals to unsuspecting
homeowners. About 6 weeks ago, it bothered him when I pointed out that such
chemicals have not been and can never be properly tested for safety. So, he
occasionally posts obnoxious messages here using my name. He had a burst of
activity about 2 weeks back, and then I think his sitter clamped down on his
internet access. Apparently, he's back.

"Suzy O" wrote in message
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No, meth labs, drug dealing, strolling prostitutes, and bums hitting the
streets when the liquor stores opens at 8::00 are a reality in many areas
where people also LOVE their homes. So then what?



Sounds like time for the neighbors to organize and drive out the crime.

"Ann" wrote in message
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Bourne Identity expounded:

I thought you had me killfiled. You haven't a clue as to my psyche. You
know
nothing about me, and less than you think about yourself. I never
claimed to be
a perfect neighbor, but I don't bother anyone and nobody bothers me.
Occasionally a cat will kill a fish, I get ****ed off and let it go.
There is
nothing I can do.

How would you know I'm tough to live near? Do you live near me? I love
the way
people like you live two thousand miles from me, yet, you know all my
inner
workings, how I am to live near, etc. Must be a witch.

I've never used a killfile, Victoria, so I don't know where you got
that idea. As for you being tough to live near, you sit in judgement
on too much to be an easy neighbor. Or so it seems on usenet.

I love the way people like you pretend to be so high and mighty, and
know all of my inner workings, too. I know myself as well las you know
yourself, oh great learned one. You haven't a clue how I live my
life, either.

I didn't think Buddhists were as judgemental as you are.

Let me guess, that was just another exercise in humor?

"Doug Kanter"
I agree. It's the peoples' fault. But, we are a backward society, so the
people are not taken to the pound, held for a period of time, and then
killed. Someday, maybe.


Did I get this right?....The damn dog barks but it is the owners fault and
not the fault of the actual dog doing the barking?.....and with a hopeful
spirit you someday hope that people with whom you presumably simply don't
approve of will get killed simply on your whim? So may we presume that you
value trees and dogs more than you actually value humans? I guess people
pick their own values, too bad you picked yours.....Rod

"Rod & Betty Jo" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter"
I agree. It's the peoples' fault. But, we are a backward society, so the
people are not taken to the pound, held for a period of time, and then
killed. Someday, maybe.


Did I get this right?....The damn dog barks but it is the owners fault and
not the fault of the actual dog doing the barking?.....and with a hopeful
spirit you someday hope that people with whom you presumably simply don't
approve of will get killed simply on your whim? So may we presume that you
value trees and dogs more than you actually value humans? I guess people
pick their own values, too bad you picked yours.....Rod


Actually, I think killing the dog is the way to go, because of the misery it
may cause the owner and its family. But, try and get people to agree with
THAT idea. Not easy. As far as "people I don't approve of", the word "you"
(meaning me) doesn't fit. ***NOBODY*** approves of humans of allow their
dogs to bark endlessly. Yes, that's an absolute statement, and is inarguably
true, all the time, everywhere. Period.

Now, if you have some spare time, conduct a survey. I already know the
results, but you'll want to find out for yourself. Ask 100 people "If, for
one day, you could pick one unbelievably obnoxious neighbor, take a rifle
and shoot that person dead, and know that there would be no legal
consequences, would you do it?" I promise you that the results would shock
you. If you asked the question face to face, at least half would respond
"yes". If you conducted it anonymously, on paper, I think more like 80%
would say "yes".

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Rod & Betty Jo" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter"
I agree. It's the peoples' fault. But, we are a backward society, so the
people are not taken to the pound, held for a period of time, and then
killed. Someday, maybe.


Did I get this right?....The damn dog barks but it is the owners fault
and not the fault of the actual dog doing the barking?.....and with a
hopeful spirit you someday hope that people with whom you presumably
simply don't approve of will get killed simply on your whim? So may we
presume that you value trees and dogs more than you actually value
humans? I guess people pick their own values, too bad you picked
yours.....Rod


Actually, I think killing the dog is the way to go, because of the misery
it may cause the owner and its family. But, try and get people to agree
with THAT idea. Not easy. As far as "people I don't approve of", the word
"you" (meaning me) doesn't fit. ***NOBODY*** approves of humans of allow
their dogs to bark endlessly. Yes, that's an absolute statement, and is
inarguably true, all the time, everywhere. Period.

Now, if you have some spare time, conduct a survey. I already know the
results, but you'll want to find out for yourself. Ask 100 people "If, for
one day, you could pick one unbelievably obnoxious neighbor, take a rifle
and shoot that person dead, and know that there would be no legal
consequences, would you do it?" I promise you that the results would shock
you. If you asked the question face to face, at least half would respond
"yes". If you conducted it anonymously, on paper, I think more like 80%
would say "yes".

You are in serious need of help. Get it now before it's too late!

"Rod & Betty Jo" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter"
I agree. It's the peoples' fault. But, we are a backward society, so the
people are not taken to the pound, held for a period of time, and then
killed. Someday, maybe.


Did I get this right?....The damn dog barks but it is the owners fault and
not the fault of the actual dog doing the barking

Yes. That's right. Dogs that are appropriately cared for don't constantly
bark. Brining the barking dog inside the house will generally solve the
problem. Dogs are both social and territorial. Dogs that are left outside
get bored and bark, especially when they feel threatened or they hear other
dogs barking. People who live in close proximity to others shouldn't keep
their dogs outside, and when they do and barking becomes a problem, then it
is the responsibility of the owner to find a solution.

"Hound Dog" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Rod & Betty Jo" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter"
I agree. It's the peoples' fault. But, we are a backward society, so
the people are not taken to the pound, held for a period of time, and
then killed. Someday, maybe.


Did I get this right?....The damn dog barks but it is the owners fault
and not the fault of the actual dog doing the barking?.....and with a
hopeful spirit you someday hope that people with whom you presumably
simply don't approve of will get killed simply on your whim? So may we
presume that you value trees and dogs more than you actually value
humans? I guess people pick their own values, too bad you picked
yours.....Rod


Actually, I think killing the dog is the way to go, because of the misery
it may cause the owner and its family. But, try and get people to agree
with THAT idea. Not easy. As far as "people I don't approve of", the word
"you" (meaning me) doesn't fit. ***NOBODY*** approves of humans of allow
their dogs to bark endlessly. Yes, that's an absolute statement, and is
inarguably true, all the time, everywhere. Period.

Now, if you have some spare time, conduct a survey. I already know the
results, but you'll want to find out for yourself. Ask 100 people "If,
for one day, you could pick one unbelievably obnoxious neighbor, take a
rifle and shoot that person dead, and know that there would be no legal
consequences, would you do it?" I promise you that the results would
shock you. If you asked the question face to face, at least half would
respond "yes". If you conducted it anonymously, on paper, I think more
like 80% would say "yes".

You are in serious need of help. Get it now before it's too late!


Nah....I'm just an HONEST observer of human nature.

All day long, farmers legally eliminate animals that are destroying crops or
livestock. Could be dogs, deer, coyotes. Do those farmers need help, too?

"Vox Humana" wrote in message
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"Rod & Betty Jo" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter"
I agree. It's the peoples' fault. But, we are a backward society, so
the
people are not taken to the pound, held for a period of time, and then
killed. Someday, maybe.


Did I get this right?....The damn dog barks but it is the owners fault
and
not the fault of the actual dog doing the barking

Yes. That's right. Dogs that are appropriately cared for don't
constantly
bark. Brining the barking dog inside the house will generally solve the
problem. Dogs are both social and territorial. Dogs that are left
outside
get bored and bark, especially when they feel threatened or they hear
other
dogs barking. People who live in close proximity to others shouldn't keep
their dogs outside, and when they do and barking becomes a problem, then
it
is the responsibility of the owner to find a solution.



And then there's the flip side - why the owners don't deserve to exist in
polite society:

1) They KNOW full well that the barking is bothering people, but they make a
clear choice to do nothing about it. That means there's intent, and this
needs to be taken no further. Everyone will draw their own conclusions.

or:

2) They do NOT know it's a problem, which means they're too stupid to own a
pet. So, it's the responsibility of SOMEONE to help them not own a pet. In a
dream world, an animal control department takes care of this. In reality,
they do NOT take care of it much of the time, for a host of reasons.

"Rod & Betty Jo" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter"
I agree. It's the peoples' fault. But, we are a backward society, so
the people are not taken to the pound, held for a period of time, and
then killed. Someday, maybe.


Did I get this right?....The damn dog barks but it is the owners fault
and not the fault of the actual dog doing the barking?.....and with a
hopeful spirit you someday hope that people with whom you presumably
simply don't approve of will get killed simply on your whim? So may we
presume that you value trees and dogs more than you actually value
humans? I guess people pick their own values, too bad you picked
yours.....Rod

If a dog is a barker it should not be outside unattended.

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